Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They traded a 4th round pick for Randy Moss, went 16-0 and lost a close Super Bowl game.

 

That would be the greatest season in McD and Josh’s careers thus far, no?

 

Not really the point I was trying to make - which was that they won 6 SB's w/ receiver corps that are pretty much on par w/ what we have, or worse.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

How is the choo choo?

[FireChans]

Just now, Success said:

 

Not really the point I was trying to make - which was that they won 6 SB's w/ receiver corps that are pretty much on par w/ what we have, or worse.

 

They had maybe the best TE in NFL history.

[JBI$111]

There's not one team in the entire NFL that has ignored drafting wide receivers in every draft as much as the Buffalo Bill's staff. Even more criminally, they have a top three quarterback. Furthermore, they've had really zero offensive players since McDermott and Beane have taken over that truly scare an opposing defense except Josh Allen. All Beane does every year is go out and sign a collection of misfits and has-beens or low round talent type wide receivers that most nobody would want or take in free agency and he thinks that's enough and he's really done something to help Josh, it's truly beyond absurd & pathetic at this point. 

 

The biggest reason that the Bill's have been very good over the years is because they lucked out on drafting Josh Allen, certainly hasn't been from their genius draft picks in general. They've been run of the mill over the years at drafting impact players or missing out and drafting the wrong players... or great players that they could have easily obtained by moving around a bit and making the correct choice. If you're honest and go back and look at all their previous drafts, they've graded out poorly, especially once time has passed where you can get a more accurate assessment.

 

I've really had it with not having any real explosive offensive impact players drafted except Josh (Cook has certainly been good, but he's in the minority). And it doesn't matter what players McDermott's defense has, they always fail in the biggest moments when we need them most or McDermott blows it by making the wrong call or not making the correct adjustments. They could have easily won a lot of those games also by just scoring more points as well.

 

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1 minute ago, FireChans said:

They had maybe the best TE in NFL history.

 

Okay.

 

[FireChans]

Just now, Success said:

 

Okay.

 

IMO, when discussing the Pats “blueprint,” skipping over the greatest QB of all time, the greatest defensive coach of all time, and maybe the greatest TE of all time, but mentioning “building through the trenches” is probably the WORST way to describe said blueprint. 

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1 minute ago, FireChans said:

IMO, when discussing the Pats “blueprint,” skipping over the greatest QB of all time, the greatest defensive coach of all time, and maybe the greatest TE of all time, but mentioning “building through the trenches” is probably the WORST way to describe said blueprint. 

 

BB didn't spend a lot of time trying to get top receivers.  He had a franchise QB, and without doubt, his TOP PRIORITY was to protect that QB. They consistently had a top O-line, and a receiver corps populated by guys that would have been no names on many other teams.

 

How's that?  More understandable?

 

[JBI$111]

37 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

We have no idea how Keon is going to be.   He was a rookie playing a position that is amazingly hard in the NFL.  He may be a bust but we cant say that for sure right now.   If you think they did Zero assessment on Diggs I'd say you're sadly mistaken.   You have to know if a guy can do all the things you need him to in your offense.  How many big free agents have we seen become an absolute bust when they go to a new team?

 

They scored more points than any Bills offense ever last year and you guys think the offense is going to be hampered because they passed on who exactly?   Arian Smith?  Jaylin Noel?   If you were looking for Jamar Chase in this draft he wasnt there.    It is an absolute absurd comment to say this team, who is one of the top two winningest teams in football over the last 5 years doesnt know how to assess talent.  

 

Please tell me who in this draft was going to beat out Shakir, Samuel, Coleman, or Palmer for snaps this season.

 

 

What are you talking about, Diggs was a known talent and it's not like it took a genius front office to make the correct assessment to bring him to the Bill's.

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

 

BB didn't spend a lot of time trying to get top receivers.  He had a franchise QB, and without doubt, his TOP PRIORITY was to protect that QB. They consistently had a top O-line, and a receiver corps populated by guys that would have been no names on many other teams.

 

How's that?  More understandable?

 

Top recievers?

 

Sure.

 

But here’s the WR’s drafted by NE from 2009 to 2013:

 

3rd

7th

3rd

7th

2nd 

4th

 

Compare that 5 year stretch of investment to Beano’s strategy. 

Even NE with their crappy WR history invested more than Beane’s “blueprint” lmao.

 

Edited Saturday at 10:05 PM by FireChans

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1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Top recievers?

 

Sure.

 

But here’s the WR’s drafted by NE from 2009 to 2013:

 

3rd

7th

3rd

7th

2nd 

4th

 

Compare that 5 year stretch of investment to Beano’s strategy. 

Even NE with their crappy WR history invested more than Beane’s “blueprint” lmao.

 

 

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to glean from this.

 

My original point stands:  the Pats won their SB's with pretty middlin' receiver corps.

 

[turbo044]

18 minutes ago, JBI$111 said:

There's not one team in the entire NFL that has ignored drafting wide receivers in every draft as much as the Buffalo Bill's staff. Even more criminally, they have a top three quarterback. Furthermore, they've had really zero offensive players since McDermott and Beane have taken over that truly scare an opposing defense except Josh Allen. All Beane does every year is go out and sign a collection of misfits and has-beens or low round talent type wide receivers that most nobody would want or take in free agency and he thinks that's enough and he's really done something to help Josh, it's truly beyond absurd & pathetic at this point. 

 

The biggest reason that the Bill's have been very good over the years is because they lucked out on drafting Josh Allen, certainly hasn't been from their genius draft picks in general. They've been run of the mill over the years at drafting impact players or missing out and drafting the wrong players... or great players that they could have easily obtained by moving around a bit and making the correct choice. If you're honest and go back and look at all their previous drafts, they've graded out poorly, especially once time has passed where you can get a more accurate assessment.

 

I've really had it with not having any real explosive offensive impact players drafted except Josh (Cook has certainly been good, but he's in the minority). And it doesn't matter what players McDermott's defense has, they always fail in the biggest moments when we need them most or McDermott blows it by making the wrong call or not making the correct adjustments. They could have easily won a lot of those games also by just scoring more points as well.

 

Easy Frances.  Wasn't their top pick the last two years receivers?  Wasn't Cooke a 2nd rounder? 

[FireChans]

Just now, Success said:

 

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to glean from this.

 

My original point stands:  the Pats won their SB's with pretty middlin' receiver corps.

 

The point was when it came to team-building, even the Pats who were notoriously stingy on WR’s invested more than Beane.

 

So from a team-building blueprint checklist, we don’t have the HoF coach, we don’t have the HoF TE, we don’t have the championship defense, and we don’t even draft as many WR’s as they did, which is the lowest bar to probably clear.

 

Other than that, yep, following the model exactly lol. 

[Jerry Jabber]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

But that defense!

It’s been letting us down almost every single year in the playoffs during the Allen era. 

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13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The point was when it came to team-building, even the Pats who were notoriously stingy on WR’s invested more than Beane.

 

So from a team-building blueprint checklist, we don’t have the HoF coach, we don’t have the HoF TE, we don’t have the championship defense, and we don’t even draft as many WR’s as they did, which is the lowest bar to probably clear.

 

Other than that, yep, following the model exactly lol. 

 

Honestly, you just seem intent on disproving the idea that New England didn't make big investments in WR's.

 

Still haven't quite managed that, however.

 

[JBI$111]

18 minutes ago, turbo044 said:

Easy Frances.  Wasn't their top pick the last two years receivers?  Wasn't Cooke a 2nd rounder? 

Well Francis, last time I checked, Cook wasn't listed as a wide receiver, he's a running back.

[Andrew Son]

CHOO CHOO!!!

[Maynard]

All aboard!! 

[Alphadawg7]

16th greatest offense of all time.  And now….Palmer > Hollins.  Not really seeing the need for the peak meltdown form this is deteriorating into.

 

Dont get me wrong, I badly wanted WR Dont’e Thornton, but I also was way more concerned about our defense than our historically great offense.  

[Slack_in_MA]

58 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Honestly, you just seem intent on disproving the idea that New England didn't make big investments in WR's.

 

Still haven't quite managed that, however.

 

I agree they never had awesome wideouts, but they had elite slot guys in Welker and Edelman. 

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1 minute ago, Slack_in_MA said:

I agree they never had awesome wideouts, but they had elite slot guys in Welker and Edelman. 

 

I have always contended that we probably wouldn't know the name of either guy if they were in half of the teams in the league.

 

Brady made them stars.