Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

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31 minutes ago, Pete said:

WR train was full speed ahead last year.  Bills Mafia was banging pots and pans demanding WRs.  We got Keon Coleman.  WR is a bigger need than last year.  Give Josh WRs who can separate, and we beat KC the last two playoff meetups.,

Sal is talking about WR train right now

Ironically in a WR thread, even with the personnel they already had if they keep feeding Cook in the second half of this past game when he's gaining 8 yds a touch, they probably also beat KC, so...

[C.Biscuit97]

I loved Ladd McConkey. I’m not the biggest Keon fan but he had his moments. But I would love to see multiple picks on WRs. It is your best chance to hit on a future star at a very good price.

[Brandon]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

How many early TE/WR are we going to take before people realize this is not the vision of Brady.  Let's draft another early pass catcher to get 1 pass a game.

 

I'm not sure if I agree with that.  I strongly suspect that the offense we've seen under Brady is an adaptation to the lack of talent he has to work with at WR.  

[dorquemada]

28 minutes ago, Maynard said:

Might as well sign Higgins to a $500 zillion dollar contract. Not sure I trust Beane to get it done in the draft.

 

Well we COULD draft this 5'10 guy who runs a 4.2 40 and had 9 million receptions in college.  OR we could draft this guy who played 1 year of college football, has really big hands, and is built like a brick sht house.  Yeah, I mean his 40 time is measured in minutes, why do you ask?

 

/beane

[Brandon]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

 

Well we COULD draft this 5'10 guy who runs a 4.2 40 and had 9 million receptions in college.  OR we could draft this guy who played 1 year of college football, has really big hands, and is built like a brick sht house.  Yeah, I mean his 40 time is measured in minutes, why do you ask?

 

/beane

 

As long as he runs a great gauntlet drill,  I'm sold. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Great let’s keep ignoring the real issue. We have done it for 6 straight years. Might as well keep the train rolling. The offense is not only the only reason we ever win, it’s also the only thing we don’t need to fix. Let’s get some WRs. 
 

 

The problem is the defense. The problem is McDermotts defense. 

[ddaryl]

47 minutes ago, Gugny said:

What if Josh threw catchable passes to the receivers we have now during the most meaningful drives of the season?

KC was in Allens face all game. If we did the same to Mahommes the result could of been different IMO. I agree Allen did not have the time to be comfortable much of game and it showed with poorly thrown passes

As for WR. Yes we could use WR, but this team was able to scroe 30 points +++ most games with what we have, so I do not view WR to be a 1st rd need as much as I would prefer DL that can make a difference.

Edited yesterday at 02:30 PM by ddaryl

[Pete]

The quicker WRs get open, the less physical abuse Josh Allen takes

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

40 minutes ago, Pete said:

Bills will keep 6 WR to find roster spot for Coleman.  Shakir and Samuel are productive WR.  I hope we re-sign Hollins- I am a huge fan.  Still we need 2 more WR,  one being a #1.  I want a stacked top 5, with Coleman #6

 

So you don't want to dress the 2nd round pick from 2024...?  

[JMM]

We don't need a diva, but we ABSOLUTELY need a complimentary outside wr that has speed and can take the top off a defense. It's an absolute MUST going forward. Otherwise O is pretty set, now FIX THE DAMN D!!

[dorquemada]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Great let’s keep ignoring the real issue. We have done it for 6 straight years. Might as well keep the train rolling. The offense is not only the only reason we ever win, it’s also the only thing we don’t need to fix. Let’s get some WRs. 
 

 

The problem is the defense. The problem is McDermotts defense. 

 

I mean you're not wrong, but the counterpoint is that Beane/McD are incapable of building a championship defense.  I dont know if it's scheme or personnel but Im leaning towards scheme.  They continually spend draft picks and FA cash on D and keep getting the same results.  Our stars on D go missing in the biggest games

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Dilly dilly!! 

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

So you don't want to dress the 2nd round pick from 2024...?  

Keon doesn’t play special teams, cannot separate, and is 4 for 11 in red zone attempts.    I didn’t want to draft him, we are stuck with him, he has potential, but we can get more do much better IMO 

[ALLinALLEN]

Outside of Higgins the FA class is abysmal. Maybe you entertain a guy like Slayton in a normal pool, but one so devoid of talent you'll end up overspending and I don't want that. So it's really down to the draft, or, a Higgins pipe dream. I think I'd rather fix the defense with the assets we have and try to pull some bigger names next year for WR. Draft one of course too.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I’m not opposed to Cooper with a full Josh offseason. 
 

The FA pool for WRs isn’t great, and I think we will copy GB’s WR room build of just having four guys who are #2 WR level.

 

I like Samuel and Shakir in the slot, we need our outside guys to take a step. If Coop doesn’t return, give me someone with the ability to win deep.

[JohnNord]

45 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

So the Bills keep 5 WR's on their roster and to add more means cutting short another position, not likely to happen and for legit reasons.  Shakir and Coleman are pretty certain to be back, would cost a fair amount of cap hit to cut Samuel, so likely he's back.  I think and hope they resign Hollins and think he may take a little less money to return here as seems to like it here.  So unless they don't resign Hollins or cut Samuel, that leaves one roster spot.   Maybe they will decide to abandon the two TE concept and decide to try and trade either Knox or Kincaid which then could open another WR spot, but would be surprised if they do . 

 

For all the talk of how the Bills need WR help the offense was number one two in the league in most overall categories so think this WR need is being over blown.  All season the" Everyone eats" was talked about as a good thing and understand the two things aren't mutually exclusive but also need to be careful of tinkering with what did work. The biggest issue this team had was getting to the QB and getting of the field on 3rd down.  

This is almost a certainty.  I think they’ll sign one mid-level WR to play on the outside in Free Agency.   It might actually be Amari only because the rest of the class isn’t really that impressive besides Higgins.  I can definitely see them re-signing Hollins as well.  
 

Because of “everybody eats” and the hopeful thought that Dalton Kincaid develops into the weapon they envisioned, I think there’s a good chance Beane bypasses drafting a WR over the first few rounds.   Maybe they take one late like to compete for WR6 with the Tyrell Shavers of the world.

 

Here’s my early prediction

 

WR1:  Mid-level FA

WR2: Coleman

WR3: Shakir

WR4: Samuel

WR5: Hollins

 

I don’t love this idea but it seems that this is how Beane & co constructed the roster.  

[Pete]

6 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Outside of Higgins the FA class is abysmal. Maybe you entertain a guy like Slayton in a normal pool, but one so devoid of talent you'll end up overspending and I don't want that. So it's really down to the draft, or, a Higgins pipe dream. I think I'd rather fix the defense with the assets we have and try to pull some bigger names next year for WR. Draft one of course too.

I’d strongly consider adding Tee.  He is the only stud WR available, and it would allow us to prioritize D in the draft.  I still want to use a high draft pick on WR, even if we signed Tee.  If we don’t add stud WR in FA, we need 2 skilled WRs in this draft imo.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

That would have required the O line to block effectively on those plays, much the same way as the KC line did, 

Excuses. 
 

Josh crumbles where Mahomes shines. 
 

17 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

KC was in Allens face all game. If we did the same to Mahommes the result could of been different IMO. I agree Allen did not have the time to be comfortable much of game and it showed with poorly thrown passes

As for WR. Yes we could use WR, but this team was able to scroe 30 points +++ most games with what we have, so I do not view WR to be a 1st rd need as much as I would prefer DL that can make a difference.

Regular Season Warriors. 
 

We need clutch play from the most important position at the most important times. 
 

We got the opposite on Sunday and it’s a big reason for the loss. 
 

Stop making excuses. 

[JohnNord]

15 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

KC was in Allens face all game. If we did the same to Mahommes the result could of been different IMO. I agree Allen did not have the time to be comfortable much of game and it showed with poorly thrown passes

As for WR. Yes we could use WR, but this team was able to scroe 30 points +++ most games with what we have, so I do not view WR to be a 1st rd need as much as I would prefer DL that can make a difference.

There’s a difference.  Mahomes got the ball out in like 2 seconds because he had targets to get open.   Andy Reid knew the DL vs. his OL was a mismatch so he worked to get the ball out fast.

 

The Bills have done this in the past but the OL had typically been good.  Also, a lot of the Bills completions this season relied on rubs which take a little more time to set up.

 

IMO Buffalo needs fast WR’s who separate.  They don’t have that on their roster now 
 

 

[ddaryl]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Excuses. 
 

Josh crumbles where Mahomes shines. 
 

Regular Season Warriors. 
 

We need clutch play from the most important position at the most important times. 
 

We got the opposite on Sunday and it’s a big reason for the loss. 
 

Stop making excuses. 

What excuse did I make. That is the way I viewed the game and our loss. Not one single excuse in there