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[Pete]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

His entire career?  Heard of a guy named Diggs?

who were 2 and 3?  You line up 3 and 4 WR sometimes.  We bargain shopped besides Diggs.  And Diggs turned out to be toxic

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

who were 2 and 3?  You line up 3 and 4 WR sometimes.  We bargain shopped besides Diggs.  And Diggs turned out to be toxic

You said they have neglected WR for Allen's entire career.  Clearly they haven't, as Diggs demonstrates.

[Don Otreply]

Beane and McDermott need a reset in all their player evaluation methods. Outside of Allen and Cook and the current O- line they have been middling to poor in most  every selection, especially with WRs and D -linemen, I don’t understand that they don’t get that with their continual improvement banter, they can’t be that blind to this issue can they???

[uticaclub]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Disagree. We traded a 3rd for basically a half year of Cooper once Beane realized he messed up in the off season, not addressing it further. If he lets that happen again, that would be concerning. 

And how did Cooper perform?

[Pete]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

You said they have neglected WR for Allen's entire career.  Clearly they haven't, as Diggs demonstrates.

ALL22.  He added one WR diva.  Bills keep 6 WR.  I don't want Diggs and 5 JAGS

[uticaclub]

Just now, Pete said:

ALL22.  He added one WR diva.  Bills keep 6 WR.  I don't want Diggs and 5 JAGS

I'll take Diggs & 5 JAGS, compared to 6 JAGS like we have now

[BillsFan2313]

Just now, uticaclub said:

And how did Cooper perform?

 

I have no idea what this has to do with the Bills needing another WR. Just because we like to spread the ball around doesn't mean you just put JAGs out there. That is why he traded for Cooper.  

[T.E.]

12 minutes ago, Maynard said:

Might as well sign Higgins to a $500 zillion dollar contract. Not sure I trust Beane to get it done in the draft.

Would we even use him? We used a 1st round pick on Kincaid. We used our first pick last year in Coleman. Our biggest free agency signing was Curtis Samuel. We paid a pretty steep price for a half-season rental of Amari Cooper.

 

McDermott and Brady made zero effort to get these guys the ball all season. Were there injuries? Sure, but there were multiple games where they were healthy and not even playing half the snaps. 

 

We had one period where we attempted to utilize Allen over the top, and that was with Daboll, who McDermott clashed with because the latter desparately wanted to install his "1995 Pittsburgh Steelers with Neil O'Donnell" system.

Edited yesterday at 01:58 PM by T.E.

[Pete]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

And how did Cooper perform?

Useful.  Ravens provided the D blueprint how to beat Buffalo offense- due to no outside threat.  They embarrassed us.  Houston played same D, and beat us.,  Jets played same D, and almost beat us.,  Then Beane traded for Amari, to add the outside threat, and the running game took off.  Amari made clutch catches throughout the playoffs.  So Cooper added a lot IMO

[JohnNord]

10 minutes ago, Pete said:

Im down for trading Coleman to KC.  Use the pick to get a useful WR who can separate

It’s not that he isn’t useful.  He still had almost 600 yards in 13 games as a rookie and averaged almost 20 YPC.  
 

He’ll have a role in the offense but it’s likely as a WR4 which is pretty disappointing given where he was drafted. 
 

So Buffalo is essentially in the same position they were in last season:

 

WR 1 - vacant

WR 2 - vacant

WR 3 - Shakir
 

This is why so many of us wanted Beane to double down at WR last season in the draft.  The Coleman selection alone wasn’t enough

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

ALL22.  He added one WR diva.  Bills keep 6 WR.  I don't want Diggs and 5 JAGS

They also had Beasley who was a great slot WR.  Just admit you exaggerated.  Now, do they need to add to the room this offseason?  Sure.  But then again, I heard a very interesting comment about the Chiefs the other day, about how having Mahomes and his ability to lift the performance of otherwise average WRs they have been able to add a lot to their defense.  Now they of course have Kelce too, but it's an interesting take.  I anticipate we go after a stud WR either in trade, FA, or draft, but it's also true that guys like Kincaid and Coleman need to continue to improve.

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

They also had Beasley who was a great slot WR.  Just admit you exaggerated.  Now, do they need to add to the room this offseason?  Sure.  But then again, I heard a very interesting comment about the Chiefs the other day, about how having Mahomes and his ability to lift the performance of otherwise average WRs they have been able to add a lot to their defense.  Now they of course have Kelce too, but it's an interesting take.  I anticipate we go after a stud WR either in trade, FA, or draft, but it's also true that guys like Kincaid and Coleman need to continue to improve.

Beasley was a good slot guy.  But we Jake Kumerow and Isiah McKenzie is not a SuperBowl winning WR crew

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

Beasley was a good slot guy.  But we Jake Kumerow and Isiah McKenzie is not a SuperBowl winning WR crew

I'm glad you seem to be rescinding the idea that they've done nothing to help Josh.

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Beane and McDermott need a reset in all their player evaluation methods. Outside of Allen and Cook and the current O- line they have been middling to poor in most  every selection, especially with WRs and D -linemen, I don’t understand that they don’t get that with their continual improvement banter, they can’t be that blind to this issue can they???

This for me, is the team's biggest problem. I'll say I don't care if the go WR, DT, DE, Safety, or whatever position with the picks. The guy just needs to perform at a high level.

I think Beane sees himself as some sort of contrarian thinker. Always trying to prove the consensus wrong. A guy that sees things that others miss. He's like the stock market experts that's telling you the market is going to crash while its going up 10,000 points over a period of a couple years.

 

That's part of the reason we got Josh Allen. The Bills didn't out-maneuver other teams to get Josh. A lot of "experts" saw him as a bust. The consensus was he was wildly inaccurate and might be a serviceable starter. Josh was a contrarian pick. With the Allen pick Beane has proved most of the other experts wrong. But lots of his other picks just turned out to be bad choices. What Beane and McDermott need to do is start listening to the consensus for the draft. If 100 other experts say player A is the pick and they think its B then they're probably wrong.

 

 

 

[Pete]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I'm glad you seem to be rescinding the idea that they've done nothing to help Josh.

Diggs and Beasley and 4 JAGs is not what I want for Josh.  Shakir >Beasley and we and do better than Diggs, without the DIVA BS

[Brandon]

24 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We spent back to back 1st round picks on Kincaid & Coleman, while both look like busts, attention needs to be made to other parts of the team, like every position on defense.

 

We can always draft another WR with TE speed.  That takes care of both spots,  right?  Right???

[Back2Buff]

How many early TE/WR are we going to take before people realize this is not the vision of Brady.  Let's draft another early pass catcher to get 1 pass a game.

[nuklz2594]

if we drafted ladd mcconkey to pair with shakir. we have two wrs who get separation and can catch the damn ball. coleman....nope. we still would have mack and curtis.  would not have needed coop. good to go

[Bangarang]

One name to keep an eye on is Tai Felton out of Maryland.

 

Speed guy with good size and hands. Got peppered with targets and caught a lot of balls. 

 

Just the kind of guy this offense could use. 

[Pete]

Just now, Back2Buff said:

How many early TE/WR are we going to take before people realize this is not the vision of Brady.  Let's draft another early pass catcher to get 1 pass a game.

Watch ALL 22.  Bills WR do not get separation.  Watch Josh have 6 seconds in the pocket, and not be able to find 1 WR open.