Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

[zevo]

5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Beane blew last season and not trading up to get Bryan Thomas ,  6"3 and 4.3 forty and already considered a top 8 receiver in the NFL.  We could have easily move up past the Jags to get him.

and you know this how? easier said than done. 

[OldTimer1960]

13 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Dude ran a 4.3 officially at the combine. At that size that's freakish. I'd take a mid-round chance on him. Unless he's got a truly uncoachable attitude, you coach him up and even if all he can do are fly routes year one, that's ok. I love his size and speed.

For all his "freakishness", he managed to catch only 26 passes last season.  He never caught even 20 balls in a season before that.  I would shy away until maybe the 5th round given that lack of production, especially considering that Tennessee has a way of making fast receivers like Jalin Hyatt look good.  

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

More Misses then Wins. 

 

About half of all first round picks are "misses" even if they aren't outright busts.  Most "misses" just aren't as good as expected, including some others who develop into very good or even excellent players who are just not the game changers that some fans expect every first round pick should be.  Oliver and Rousseau are definitely among this group.  Put Garrett at one end of the Bills DL, and Oliver and Rousseau suddenly become so much better that even the haters on TSW might possibly change their tunes about them -- and Beane's drafting prowess.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, LEBills said:

Dont’e Thornton and BTJ posted basically identical combine numbers. The production is much different but both very explosive. Thornton was an elite low volume WR this year and the Bills offense is a low volume target share offense so would be a great fit imo.

I feel like Thornton could be a sneaky good pick/player

[Charles Romes]

15 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Dude ran a 4.3 officially at the combine. At that size that's freakish. I'd take a mid-round chance on him. Unless he's got a truly uncoachable attitude, you coach him up and even if all he can do are fly routes year one, that's ok. I love his size and speed.

Same measurements as DK Metcalf picked at the end of the second well after Cody Ford. 26 catches senior year. Just like Thornton. He may not be there in the third with those measurables and the metcalf history lesson.  

[DrDawkinstein]

9 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Beane blew last season and not trading up to get Bryan Thomas ,  6"3 and 4.3 forty and already considered a top 8 receiver in the NFL.  We could have easily move up past the Jags to get him.

 

This but Cooper DeJean instead.

[Nephilim17]

Just heard on the latest Marino podcast that the Bills face the highest amount of man coverage in the league. If that's not a sign that the WR room is NOT fine the way it is, I don't know what is.

[Pete]

5 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Just heard on the latest Marino podcast that the Bills face the highest amount of man coverage in the league. If that's not a sign that the WR room is NOT fine the way it is, I don't know what is.

and Marino said that indicates that defenses have zero respect for our WRs

[TheBeaneBandit]

Grab that WR, then attack helping the defense like a mofo😂🤣😆

[Pete]

CHOO CHOO

 

Josh Palmer that’s what I’m talking about!
 

AI Overview

Josh Palmer, a wide receiver known for his route-running deception, has a separation score of 0.236, placing him 12th in the league, and he excels at creating separation at the top of his routes. 

Here's a more detailed look at Josh Palmer's separation skills and stats:

Separation Score: Palmer's separation score of 0.236 ranks him 12th among wide receivers. 

Route Running Deception: He's known for using subtle route-running techniques to create separation at the top of his routes. 

Scheme-Based Separator: Palmer's effectiveness shines in a scheme and timing-based system, where he utilizes tight splits to set up his routes. 

Fantasy Points Data: According to Fantasy Points Data, Palmer ranked eighth out of 131 qualifying receivers in separation score against man coverage last season. 

Yards Per Reception: Palmer averaged more than 15.0 yards per reception over the last two seasons. 

Bills Need a Separator: The Buffalo Bills reportedly signed Palmer, as they lacked a separator who could routinely stretch the opposing defense. 

Contract Projection: Spotrac projects his contract to be $4.3 million AAV. 

Signature Skill/Trait: Route deception. 

Free Agent Profile: WR Josh Palmer - Cover 1

Feb 22, 2025 — Free Agent Profile: WR Josh Palmer * Signature Stats: .236 Separation Score (12th) * Contract Projection: $4.3 Million AAV (Spotrac) * Cover 1 Take...

Cover 1

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Pete

[Sweats]

On 3/2/2025 at 2:12 PM, SoTier said:

 

About half of all first round picks are "misses" even if they aren't outright busts.  Most "misses" just aren't as good as expected, including some others who develop into very good or even excellent players who are just not the game changers that some fans expect every first round pick should be.  Oliver and Rousseau are definitely among this group.  Put Garrett at one end of the Bills DL, and Oliver and Rousseau suddenly become so much better that even the haters on TSW might possibly change their tunes about them -- and Beane's drafting prowess.

 

 

 

 

Do you think that's our FO poor talent evaluation or the fact that we're picking around 30 every year?...........honest question here.

[SoonerBillsFan]

On 3/3/2025 at 4:43 PM, Pete said:

and Marino said that indicates that defenses have zero respect for our WRs

They don't. But we just signed a top 10 wr at separation.  We need another 1 - 2

8 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

Do you think that's our FO poor talent evaluation or the fact that we're picking around 30 every year?...........honest question here.

Picking high didn't keep KC or NE back in the day from going back to superbowls.  It's bad evaluation. 

[Sweats]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

They don't. But we just signed a top 10 wr at separation.  We need another 1 - 2

Picking high didn't keep KC or NE back in the day from going back to superbowls.  It's bad evaluation. 

 

 

 

........good point

[Pete]

Funny, I called Bulldog and Schopp on WGR yesterday.  They were talking junk about Palmer- “he’s only a 4.5, he plays slot, he can’t block, meh, I wanted this WR instead, wah”.

I called and said “you are sleeping on Josh Palmer, just like you were sleeping on Mack Hollins last year.  Josh is 25, 6’1 210 and was top 5 in separation last season out of 171 WR, according to Joe Marino.  Last season Bills WR could not separate, and that is Palmers specialty.  And Palmer is an excellent blocker”.   They argued “why did SD take him out on running plays if he is such a good blocker”.  “I don’t know, I don’t watch a lot of Chargers.   Maybe they go 12 personnel on running places.” 
They hung up on me, before I could say more.  I know I struck a nerve calling them out for hating Mack Hollins last year.  “Everybody snacks they would say”.  They discussed for several minutes “we liked the Mack Hollins signing last year” which is BS.  I called supporting Mack signing last year, and they disagreed.

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[Dunkirk Donski]

9 minutes ago, Pete said:

Funny, I called Bulldog and Schopp on WGR yesterday.  They were talking junk about Palmer- “he’s only a 4.5, he plays slot, he can’t block, meh, I wanted this WR instead, wah”.

I called and said “you are sleeping on Josh Palmer, just like you were sleeping on Mack Hollins last year.  Josh is 25, 6’1 210 and was top 5 in separation last season out of 171 WR, according to Joe Marino.  Last season Bills WR could not separate, and that is Palmers specialty.  And Palmer is an excellent blocker”.   They argued “why did SD take him out on running plays if he is such a good blocker”.  “I don’t know, I don’t watch a lot of Chargers.   Maybe they go 12 personnel on running places.” 
They hung up on me, before I could say more.  I know I struck a nerve calling them out for hating Mack Hollins last year.  “Everybody snacks they would say”.  They discussed for several minutes “we liked the Mack Hollins signing last year” which is BS.  I called supporting Mack signing last year, and they disagreed.

Most of us loathe those low talent goofballs.  Keep up the good work sir

[PayDaBill$]

On 3/3/2025 at 5:43 PM, Pete said:

and Marino said that indicates that defenses have zero respect for our WRs

And yet our offense didn’t appear to be the issue last season as far as production.  
 

This squad needs to shore up the defense!!!  Better defense last season, they were probably SB bound.

Edited 5 hours ago by PayDaBill$

[Pete]

1 minute ago, PayDaBill$ said:

 
 

This squad needs to shore up the defense!!!

Agreed.  And offense needs to stop making everything so difficult. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Pete

[zevo]

28 minutes ago, Pete said:

Funny, I called Bulldog and Schopp on WGR yesterday.  They were talking junk about Palmer- “he’s only a 4.5, he plays slot, he can’t block, meh, I wanted this WR instead, wah”.

I called and said “you are sleeping on Josh Palmer, just like you were sleeping on Mack Hollins last year.  Josh is 25, 6’1 210 and was top 5 in separation last season out of 171 WR, according to Joe Marino.  Last season Bills WR could not separate, and that is Palmers specialty.  And Palmer is an excellent blocker”.   They argued “why did SD take him out on running plays if he is such a good blocker”.  “I don’t know, I don’t watch a lot of Chargers.   Maybe they go 12 personnel on running places.” 
They hung up on me, before I could say more.  I know I struck a nerve calling them out for hating Mack Hollins last year.  “Everybody snacks they would say”.  They discussed for several minutes “we liked the Mack Hollins signing last year” which is BS.  I called supporting Mack signing last year, and they disagreed.

cmon man...have some respect...schopp has a fantasy podcast...he knows all.

[Billsatlastin2018]

I want to be positive on Palmer as that speed separator so needed by #17.

 

But I was on the contested jump ball guy (Coleman) & the 1000 yards yearly vet- Cooper. What disappointments. Hope but verify.

 

Can we have one year when Beanie nails a draft?

Just one, to get a couple of D studs?

[SoonerBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

I want to be positive on Palmer as that speed separator so needed by #17.

 

But I was on the contested jump ball guy (Coleman) & the 1000 yards yearly vet- Cooper. What disappointments. Hope but verify.

 

Can we have one year when Beanie nails a draft?

Just one, to get a couple of D studs?

This year needs to be the one he hits on guys who can play this year and do damn well