Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, Prospector said:

I also think Hyatt is in a very bad situation in NY... He could be a very good WR, or he may actually be bad... but I don't think we will know the answer if he is stuck on the Giants.

I think if he was decent, he would have played more and been more productive.  Daniel Jones wasn’t the answer at QB, but he wasn’t so bad that he held Hyatt back.

[nuklz2594]

shou[d have draft ladd. ladd and shakir can separate and wait for it....catch the ball. 

[Solomon Grundy]

On 2/2/2025 at 6:21 PM, NewEra said:

The offense was fine with Cooper and Mack.  Are they both returning?  If so, I think that we’re fine.  I don’t think they’re both returning-  hence, not fine.

 

i do agree that the defense is what is holding us back every year and is a much bigger problem than our offense. Injuries have been a big part of it- but more than anything- our DL routinely disappears in season ending losses.  Corners playing yards off their man and giving up easy yards.  

Player talent and McDermott defensive scheme. 

[Pete]

2021 draft -always BPA IMO

 

61 DT Boogie Bashum

63 C Creed Humphrey

89 WR Nico Collins 

 

 

[Pete]

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 1/29/2025 at 3:36 PM, Pete said:

WR train was full speed ahead last year.  Bills Mafia was banging pots and pans demanding WRs.  We got Keon Coleman.  WR is a bigger need than last year.  Give Josh WRs who can separate, and we beat KC the last two playoff meetups.,

Sal is talking about WR train right now

Don't worry after next yrs playoff debacle vs KC McBeane will be uttering these words during there end of yr press conference only to bring in another big slow Wr during the draft. 😂 

[machine gun kelly]

It’s a pretty foregone conclusion we’ll draft one with one of our 10 picks.  If we trade two picks for for Garrett or at least Crosby, we still have 8 picks and it’s obvious the 2nd rd extra as we have 2 will go to one of the many DT studs in this deep class.  Probably one of the 4th rd picks will go to WR.  I agree with the OP we need a guy who creates separation and has good hands.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 1/29/2025 at 4:05 PM, All_Pro_Bills said:

This for me, is the team's biggest problem. I'll say I don't care if the go WR, DT, DE, Safety, or whatever position with the picks. The guy just needs to perform at a high level.

I think Beane sees himself as some sort of contrarian thinker. Always trying to prove the consensus wrong. A guy that sees things that others miss. He's like the stock market experts that's telling you the market is going to crash while its going up 10,000 points over a period of a couple years.

 

That's part of the reason we got Josh Allen. The Bills didn't out-maneuver other teams to get Josh. A lot of "experts" saw him as a bust. The consensus was he was wildly inaccurate and might be a serviceable starter. Josh was a contrarian pick. With the Allen pick Beane has proved most of the other experts wrong. But lots of his other picks just turned out to be bad choices. What Beane and McDermott need to do is start listening to the consensus for the draft. If 100 other experts say player A is the pick and they think its B then they're probably wrong.

 

 

 

I think there's other factors on how they evaluate talent. We know from what McBeane has said in the past they don't value athletic abilities as much as other GMs do this might explain why we don't draft much players from the SEC. The Bills value character and work ethic more and they always want to have some feel of familiarity with there prospects . It's funny how we hear stories about prospects like Elam wanting a playbook to take home with him or Coleman lighting up the interview room with his character. 

 

Basically what your saying is the Bills study long study wrong when it comes to the draft. 

[LEBills]

Let’s get this train back on track 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[GunnerBill]

I'll repeat here for reference for those interested the conversation gonzo and I were having in his mock thread with our respective pre-combine top 10s at wide receiver.

WR Top 10s

	@gonzo1105	@GunnerBill
1	Tet McMillan, Arizona	Tet McMillan, Arizona
2	Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State	Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
3	Matthew Golden, Texas	Matthew Golden, Texas
4	Luther Burden, Missouri	Luther Burden, Missouri
5	Tre Harris, Ole Miss	Isaiah Bond, Texas
6	Jayden Higgins, Iowa State	Tre Harris, Ole Miss
7	Xavier Restrepo Miami	Jayden Higgins, Iowa State
8	Tez Johnson, Oregon	Tez Johnson, Oregon
9	Tai Felton Maryland	Xavier Restrepo Miami
10	Isaiah Bond, Texas	Jalin Royals, Utah State

 

[HerdMenatlity1]

On 1/29/2025 at 8:41 AM, Pete said:

and we have devoted a ton of high draft picks and $ in the Dline.  How is that working out?  Green Bay added a trio of WR and its propelling their success

Yeah, the 10 points against Philly in the playoffs really wowed me. Those receivers were kicked ass that game. 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, HerdMenatlity1 said:

Yeah, the 10 points against Philly in the playoffs really wowed me. Those receivers were kicked ass that game. 

Did you watch the game?  Christian Watson did not play.  Doubs left the game with a concussion.  So 2 out of the 3 WRs did not even play.  How could Watson kick ass? 

Your weak response is like saying "you say Benford is a great CB.  He really kicked ass in the AFC Championship game".

[wppete]

The offense wasn't the problem this year. It was the garbage defense we had. Draft all defense with our picks this year. 

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Pete said:

Did you watch the game?  Christian Watson did not play.  Doubs left the game with a concussion.  So 2 out of the 3 WRs did not even play.  How could Watson kick ass? 

Your weak response is like saying "you say Benford is a great CB.  He really kicked ass in the AFC Championship game".

 

While you are right re. injuries if you visit an Packers boards or read any Packers media at the moment the consensus there is receiver by committee is nice, but to get over the hump they need a #1 capable of dictating coverage. Which I think is essentially the same as here. 

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While you are right re. injuries if you visit an Packers boards or read any Packers media at the moment the consensus there is receiver by committee is nice, but to get over the hump they need a #1 capable of dictating coverage. Which I think is essentially the same as here. 

Packers WR corps are better and deeper then Buffalo.  Reed made $1.4 million in 24,  Watson $1.9 million,  $3.3 million.  So for a fraction of Coopers salary, the Pack gets 3 WRs who can separate and catch.  To me, this is brilliant.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

Packers WR corps are better and deeper then Buffalo.

 

Better but still not good enough. Which is telling.

 

Just about every Super Bowl participant of the last 7 years or so has had a clear #1 pass catcher. Most of them had a very strong #2 option as well. KC of the past two years is really the only exception with Kelce on the decline. No matter the cost Beane has to find that answer.

[gonzo1105]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I'll repeat here for reference for those interested the conversation gonzo and I were having in his mock thread with our respective pre-combine top 10s at wide receiver.

WR Top 10s

	@gonzo1105	@GunnerBill
1	Tet McMillan, Arizona	Tet McMillan, Arizona
2	Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State	Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
3	Matthew Golden, Texas	Matthew Golden, Texas
4	Luther Burden, Missouri	Luther Burden, Missouri
5	Tre Harris, Ole Miss	Isaiah Bond, Texas
6	Jayden Higgins, Iowa State	Tre Harris, Ole Miss
7	Xavier Restrepo Miami	Jayden Higgins, Iowa State
8	Tez Johnson, Oregon	Tez Johnson, Oregon
9	Tai Felton Maryland	Xavier Restrepo Miami
10	Isaiah Bond, Texas	Jalin Royals, Utah State

 

Yea very very similar except for the fact of Isaiah Bond, which I can see why someone would have him higher to be honest with his speed and explosiveness. I have Royals at 11 and Felton will be very dependent on his 40 as he is a great route runner but I question his long speed 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Better but still not good enough. Which is telling.

 

Just about every Super Bowl participant of the last 7 years or so has had a clear #1 pass catcher. Most of them had a very strong #2 option as well. KC of the past two years is really the only exception with Kelce on the decline. No matter the cost Beane has to find that answer.

 

Yea, this is my point. Better, cheaper, slightly deeper.... but still needing a dominant difference maker. 

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

Yea very very similar except for the fact of Isaiah Bond, which I can see why someone would have him higher to be honest with his speed and explosiveness. I have Royals at 11 and Felton will be very dependent on his 40 as he is a great route runner but I question his long speed 

 

And I have Felton at 11 so also not miles apart. I feel like that is closer than we have been on some other receiver classes which might speak a little bit to the depth of quality in this class compared to others.