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[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

Excuses. 
 

Josh crumbles where Mahomes shines. 
 

Regular Season Warriors. 
 

We need clutch play from the most important position at the most important times. 
 

We got the opposite on Sunday and it’s a big reason for the loss. 
 

Stop making excuses. 

Reasons and excuses are quite frequently confused

 

I would add having more than two reliable WRs 

 

And the inability to see that even Knox is more reliable than Kincaid, making adjustments in personnel use in game is as well an issue, the coaches are not what one would call nimble in their thinking, or scheming, lots of reasons to be pissed off as a fan, lol 

 

 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

I'd like to stop watching Bills games and praying in front of the screen that the defense can actually make a big stop or big play against a team like the Chiefs or Ravens without having to depend on a turnover or the other guy screwing something up. This defense is the problem, it has been, and it we'll be the reason this team  fails to advance in the 2025 post season unless Beane and McDermott fix the problem this off season.

 

Your prayers were answered with about 3min left in the game. The defense held KC to a fg with that incredible sack from Phillips. That was a huge stop. The offense took over with a chance to win. They couldn’t get it done. Next time pray for Allen and the offense too. 

[DCofNC]

49 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Do we have money for Tee? Like we will have money but I'm not sure we'll have that money. 

Availability is more important than ability with Higgins, regardless of cap space, he should be a hard pass.

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Reasons and excuses are quite frequently confused

 

I would add having more than two reliable WRs 

 

And the inability to see that even Knox is more reliable than Kincaid, making adjustments in personnel use in game is as well an issue, the coaches are not what one would call nimble in their thinking, or scheming, lots of reasons to be pissed off as a fan, lol 

 

 

I’ve been pounding the “reasons are different than excuses,” table for years.

 

I’m done. 
 

I love Josh and I love that he’s the Bills’ QB. 

 

But we lost on Sunday very much due to him not playing well enough when it mattered most. 
 

That doesn’t negate the great things he did. 
 

It simply underscores how much this team needs him to do great things when great things need to happen. 
 

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’ve been pounding the “reasons are different than excuses,” table for years.

 

I’m done. 
 

I love Josh and I love that he’s the Bills’ QB. 

 

But we lost on Sunday very much due to him not playing well enough when it mattered most. 
 

That doesn’t negate the great things he did. 
 

It simply underscores how much this team needs him to do great things when great things need to happen. 
 

You do realize that Josh’s right hand was injured on 2 point attempts in the first half?  Right hand, throwing hand, it’s swollen, and injured.  This explains a couple mid throws in the second staff.

 

Knowing this information, Josh put us in a position to win, he got blasted on the 4th and 5 and put it in Daltons hands.  If Dalton catches that, that is one of all time great plays!  Josh Allen is a ***** warrior! 

[uticaclub]

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’ve been pounding the “reasons are different than excuses,” table for years.

 

I’m done. 
 

I love Josh and I love that he’s the Bills’ QB. 

 

But we lost on Sunday very much due to him not playing well enough when it mattered most. 
 

That doesn’t negate the great things he did. 
 

It simply underscores how much this team needs him to do great things when great things need to happen. 
 

Josh played well enough to win, but no one else on the team did.

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

No way you can go into the season with Coleman as your #1. If Cooper is signed back, then maybe a WR in the 4th. If not, it is a big need. 

Shakir is our #1 WR if Cooper (or another vet) isn't brought back (in). Coleman might get more opportunities as he develops.

Just now, uticaclub said:

Josh played well enough to win, but no one else on the team did.

James Cook and Mack Hollins disagree with you.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

Bills will keep 6 WR to find roster spot for Coleman.  Shakir and Samuel are productive WR.  I hope we re-sign Hollins- I am a huge fan.  Still we need 2 more WR,  one being a #1.  I want a stacked top 5, with Coleman #6

 

Really??  Because you say so?   They haven't done that the past few years so yes Coleman will be kept as one of the 5 so then as you stated added Shakir and Samuel and if they resign Hollins which many hope for, that leaves one spot.   Unless they decide to break the trend  they've gone with, it is NOT likely you will get 2 more, sorry to disappoint you.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Actually the biggest issue we had in the playoffs was throwing the ball downfield. It showed up in the Ravens and Chiefs games. We're asking the offense to execute 10+ play mistake-free drives with multiple 3rd/4th down conversions against extremely well coached defenses. It's too much to ask. Our two easiest TD drives against KC happened because of two big completions to Hollins downfield. We have Josh Allen - that ability should be the identity of our offense, not something we dust off a couple times a game.

 

Beane totally blew it. We were having the exact same conversation at this time last year and all he did was add a gadget/slot WR in FA, and then in a WR heavy draft he took exactly one before wasting his next three picks.

 

We've never made KC punt more than twice in a playoff game. So the standard is set - we need an offense that punts no more than once. We do that, we almost certainly win. Do anything it takes this offseason to have that caliber of offense.

 

Well if you want WR to open up downfield, to me that's very risky as for whatever reason Allen seems terrible with accuracy in throwing long passes.  Not just this year, but multiple seasons, rarely does he hit someone on target.  If you want the offense to thrive on long passes, may need a different QB.

 

Why can't they make KC punt more than twice, you state we've never done that, but also state we struggled going downfield.  So yes, you can develop a mindset of not punting, but as I mention, Allen and long passes aren't a good fit, or just as easily could go in the direction of making the defense better.   Either works, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

I do recall in Davis's rookie year Allen was routinely throwing 20 yard passes to him on the sideline and Davis would make these amazing tiptoe catches.  Not sure where either the throw or for Davis, the catches went?

[Pete]

9 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Really??  Because you say so?   They haven't done that the past few years so yes Coleman will be kept as one of the 5 so then as you stated added Shakir and Samuel and if they resign Hollins which many hope for, that leaves one spot.   Unless they decide to break the trend  they've gone with, it is NOT likely you will get 2 more, sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, T master said:

 

If you look at what they got out of certain players through out this season I would hope they cut bait with Samuel . There was a lot of talk of how he was hurt and all that may be but they never did unleash his speed on deep routes which i didn't get . I fell both of the TE's if used in the scheme correctly are and have shown them selves to be formidable weapons but again they need to be utilized as such .

 

Like you i hope Hollins is back when ever he was called on he was money for this offense and just a great team guy and bring that extra juice in certain situations and i love his presence he gets the guys pumped but keeps them lose at the same time if that makes any kind of sense ? 

 

What they had this year was good enough to beat any team i feel if schemed correctly which is what Reid does he's a master at getting the guy she has in the right place to make a play I can only imagine what Reid could do with what the Bills have on offense and seeing as Brady got taken to the wood shed being his first full season with the Bills as OC i believe he will learn to be better which if you think about it could be scary for other teams .

 

Yes they need a sure handed deep threat in the WR room for sure that is the one piece to complete what we have but the biggest weakness is the defense if they don't get some faster safeties, and a couple of CB's and definitely a elite pass rusher we will be where we are this season . Elam needs to go he's proven time & time again he's not the guy which really sucks because a lot of people say he's got the tangibles but the switch is stuck in the off position .

 

Beane will get more players i'm sure of it and it will be better for the Bills future . GO BILLS !!!! 

 

Yeah I'd have no issue with cutting Samuel as didn't show very much, not sure if they WANT to do that from a cap standpoint??  Maybe they can get him to take a big pay cut??  Based on his performance this year, doubtful he'd get big money anywhere else.

 

Agree too both TE's are assets, but seemed like we never really went with that concept very much.  It would seem that since the WR group is one of the weakest areas and not having tons of cap space  using 2 TE's more would be a good strategy money wise.

[Lost]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Actually the biggest issue we had in the playoffs was throwing the ball downfield. It showed up in the Ravens and Chiefs games. We're asking the offense to execute 10+ play mistake-free drives with multiple 3rd/4th down conversions against extremely well coached defenses. It's too much to ask. Our two easiest TD drives against KC happened because of two big completions to Hollins downfield. We have Josh Allen - that ability should be the identity of our offense, not something we dust off a couple times a game.

 

Beane totally blew it. We were having the exact same conversation at this time last year and all he did was add a gadget/slot WR in FA, and then in a WR heavy draft he took exactly one before wasting his next three picks.

 

We've never made KC punt more than twice in a playoff game. So the standard is set - we need an offense that punts no more than once. We do that, we almost certainly win. Do anything it takes this offseason to have that caliber of offense.

 

It still kinda bothers me that Joe Brady runs this offense like he has Daniel Jones at QB.   We have one of the 2 best QBs in the league and we're morphing into a run first protect the ball offense.   It makes no sense.   2 years ago the coaching staff were hell bent on trying to get Allen to run the ball less and protect his body.  This year they were dialing up designed QB runs every 3rd play.   The most dynamic offense the Bills have had in the Josh Allen era was in the 2021 playoff run and into early 2022 when we had an elite Diggs and could spread the field out more.   

[iccrewman112]

3 hours ago, DaVinci said:

I think we should trade another receiver to KC

also long as it’s not Mack

[sleeby]

Offense was not the problem this year.  We scored crazy points this year and did not turn the ball over.  

 

KC scored 30 points twice all season and never higher until last weekend with 32.  Bills scored 29.  Should have been enough if not for the D.  

[Gugny]

19 minutes ago, Pete said:

You do realize that Josh’s right hand was injured on 2 point attempts in the first half?  Right hand, throwing hand, it’s swollen, and injured.  This explains a couple mid throws in the second staff.

 

Knowing this information, Josh put us in a position to win, he got blasted on the 4th and 5 and put it in Daltons hands.  If Dalton catches that, that is one of all time great plays!  Josh Allen is a ***** warrior! 

Cool. More excuses. 
 

And he’s a football player. 
 

Look at the names on a war memorial … those were warriors. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

 

 

So what do you want to do cut him??  LOL that's not happening.  As you even stated he's be back as the 6th WR, but that likely won't be the case as they've only carried 5, so he'll be back as the #5 WR.   That won't change regardless of what Steve Smith says. 

 

Regardless of how good or bad he is, he's not getting cut and not to say he can't improve.  Posters here have a very bad track record of  evaluating players off one or two seasons of play.  (see Knox, Brown for starters)

[90sBills]

25 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’ve been pounding the “reasons are different than excuses,” table for years.

 

I’m done. 
 

I love Josh and I love that he’s the Bills’ QB. 

 

But we lost on Sunday very much due to him not playing well enough when it mattered most. 
 

That doesn’t negate the great things he did. 
 

It simply underscores how much this team needs him to do great things when great things need to happen. 
 

That was an opportunity for Allen to put together a legendary drive to cement his legacy. Much like Elway’s ‘The Drive’ years ago in the AFCCG against the Browns. It was right there.

 

Now the narrative will be much louder going forward about not getting over the hump.

[Pete]

9 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

So what do you want to do cut him??  LOL that's not happening.  As you even stated he's be back as the 6th WR, but that likely won't be the case as they've only carried 5, so he'll be back as the #5 WR.   That won't change regardless of what Steve Smith says. 

 

Regardless of how good or bad he is, he's not getting cut and not to say he can't improve.  Posters here have a very bad track record of  evaluating players off one or two seasons of play.  (see Knox, Brown for starters)

A stellar WR breaking down WR play- this isnt Nick Wright.  The problems Smith points out are obvious when you watch Keon.  The Bills coaches know this.  Steve points out Keon flaws, and says Buffalo has great coaches, and they must go balistic when Keon does that.  Did you watch the video?  Keon is round peg, square hole in our offense.  Last year our #1 need was a vertical threat, and we failed with Keon.  This year, a vertical threat is still our need IMO.  We havent replaced John Brown yet

[90sBills]

13 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Offense was not the problem this year.  We scored crazy points this year and did not turn the ball over.  

 

KC scored 30 points twice all season and never higher until last weekend with 32.  Bills scored 29.  Should have been enough if not for the D.  

KC is great at situational football. If they can win a game scoring 20 then that’s what they’d do. If a game calls for 30 to win they would get 30. That’s the mark of a championship team.
 

Yes KC scored 32. Bills needed 36 to win and had that opportunity. They couldn’t capitalize on the moment.

[UKBillFan]

43 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’ve been pounding the “reasons are different than excuses,” table for years.

 

I’m done. 
 

I love Josh and I love that he’s the Bills’ QB. 

 

But we lost on Sunday very much due to him not playing well enough when it mattered most. 
 

That doesn’t negate the great things he did. 
 

It simply underscores how much this team needs him to do great things when great things need to happen. 
 

 

I'd rephrase that.

 

I think Josh was great on Sunday. But he wasn't Superman, which he sometimes can be. And yet again the Bills needed him to be Superman because of what they have built around him.

 

In fairness, would we be saying he was if Kincaid had made that catch?