JP51 Posted yesterday at 02:39 AM Posted yesterday at 02:39 AM 18 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I was watching Super Bowl XII highlights today. 15 years after what we're talking about. Almost every Doomsday Defense sack or near sack would be roughing the passer today. Josh would be sacked and landed on even after he threw the ball. Defenses were playing bump 'n run and holding past 5 yards was OK. Warren Wells was playing. All of this would play havoc on his accuracy and completion percentages. When he ran with the ball they'd take his head off which is why Roger Staubach invented the slide after it happened to him a few times. And, Josh wouldn't have all the nutritional and training methods players have today. And he'd probably be eating doughnuts and smoking cigarettes at 1/2 time. It was a different game back then. Indeed it was 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted yesterday at 03:16 AM Posted yesterday at 03:16 AM On 1/28/2025 at 6:20 PM, Low Positive said: Jack Kemp never had a completion percentage over 46% in Buffalo. In the 1964 AFL championship season, he had 44%, 13Tds and 26 INTs. Jack Kemp wouldn't last 5 minutes in today's NFL. Quote
90sBills Posted yesterday at 03:39 AM Posted yesterday at 03:39 AM On 1/31/2025 at 7:13 AM, John Gianelli said: Two rings. Need I say more? Two rings. Kemp had two rings. I doubt any of his teammates would have said that. Who built the foundation for what we're watching today. And, he brought Buffalo two championships. Rings make kings! I like it, OP. Allen is still the best Bills qb though. 1 Quote
HamptonBillsfan Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago Loved Kemp and as a little boy connected with football with that team at the rock pile. In fairness though, it was the HOF caliber defense that won us championships in the old AFL. Kemp was a Bart Starr type of QB with a better arm.He had an awesome O-line with bruising RBs and some speedy receivers. He could run when necessary but his arm talent and elusiveness can’t be compared to Josh. Kelly’s no huddle offense took the NFL by storm. Calling plays at the line before the defense could adjust , made us unbelievable. His leadership and instincts for picking defenses apart was as good as an QBs in history. Kemp had 3 good years at the end of his career with Buffalo, can’t be compared with Kelly and Josh. Quote
John Gianelli Posted 17 hours ago Author Posted 17 hours ago 10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Jack Kemp wouldn't last 5 minutes in today's NFL. He would be taking so many fewer late hits, and his receivers would be so much more free to run, that I bet he would excel. Quote
Gregg Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Jack Kemp wouldn't last 5 minutes in today's NFL. I think it would be easier for players of those days to play today's game provided they work out and keep themselves in shape. Today's athletes are in better shape then back then. But football was a much more brutal sport back then. Look at all the shots Kelly took in his career. In today's game most of them would be considered unnecessary roughness. Ray Lewis when he was on Inside the NFL said he couldn't play in today's game because he would be getting flagged for unnecessary roughness on most of his hits given how he was such a physical player. Quote
oldmanfan Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 49 minutes ago, John Gianelli said: He would be taking so many fewer late hits, and his receivers would be so much more free to run, that I bet he would excel. You an me both. Quote
SMAKCruiser Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Jack Kemp wouldn't last 5 minutes in today's NFL. I don't know... Peterman has lasted more than 5 minutes. 1 Quote
Spiderweb Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said: Loved Kemp and as a little boy connected with football with that team at the rock pile. In fairness though, it was the HOF caliber defense that won us championships in the old AFL. Kemp was a Bart Starr type of QB with a better arm.He had an awesome O-line with bruising RBs and some speedy receivers. He could run when necessary but his arm talent and elusiveness can’t be compared to Josh. Kelly’s no huddle offense took the NFL by storm. Calling plays at the line before the defense could adjust , made us unbelievable. His leadership and instincts for picking defenses apart was as good as an QBs in history. Kemp had 3 good years at the end of his career with Buffalo, can’t be compared with Kelly and Josh. Additionally, we had Lamonica who came in when big passing was needed... Lamonica did manage to rescue a few games for the Bills... Quote
Jauronimo Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago On 1/28/2025 at 8:27 PM, Low Positive said: Yeah. The argument that the OP is making is like saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino just because he happened to ride a defense and a running game to a SB. Zero. All those guys chain smoked and didn't work out. This years Panthers would smoke the 1966 Packers. Dilfer and Brad Johnson motivated teams to greatness....by how poorly they played at QB. Quote
HamptonBillsfan Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, Spiderweb said: Additionally, we had Lamonica who came in when big passing was needed... Lamonica did manage to rescue a few games for the Bills... Many games, can you believe we let him leave? Quote
SMAKCruiser Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Dilfer and Brad Johnson motivated teams to greatness....by how poorly they played at QB. I must have a different perception on Brad Johnson than you... I don't recall him being a poor QB. He was never elite, but he was at least average. Quote
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