My all-time greatest Bills quarterback is not Josh Allen or Jim Kelly

[sleeby]

1964 AFL was 8 teams.  4 in east and 4 in west.  Seeing as josh lead us to now 5 straight AFC East championships that would be 5 straight superbowls.  Josh is the best.

[Mr. WEO]

lol

 

 

he was playing plumbers and longshoreman.

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You cannot compare stats between eras because of the rule changes.  In Kemp’s era defensive backs had a lot more freedom.  The average one on one coverage back then would draw a flag for unnecessary roughness today.

 

I wish people who are not old enough to have watched the AFL would quit dismissing their teams and players.  No Kemp may not have been the physical specimen Allen is, and no I am not saying Kemp was better by any means.  But Kemp was an excellent QB.  He had a very strong arm, could run, and was an excellent leader. 

I am old enough and while I was a kid in the mid 60's so my memory is a bit hazy I vividly remember when the AFL reached parity with the NFL at the top and that wasn't until 1968. The Bills had a great AFL team in those days but it was inferior to the best NFL teams. 

 

My comp would be in soccer the MLS compared to the British Premier league.  Winning an MLS title is a big deal and the top MLS players are very good but they are not close to being as good as the Premier league.

 

And as others have said, IMO Lamonca was the better QB on the Bills at that time which he showed in later years at Oakland.

 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I am old enough and while I was a kid in the mid 60's so my memory is a bit hazy I vividly remember when the AFL reached parity with the NFL at the top and that wasn't until 1968. The Bills had a great AFL team in those days but it was inferior to the best NFL teams. 

 

My comp would be in soccer the MLS compared to the British Premier league.  Winning an MLS title is a big deal and the top MLS players are very good but they are not close to being as good as the Premier league.

 

And as others have said, IMO Lamonca was the better QB on the Bills at that time which he showed in later years at Oakland.

 

You cannot say they were inferior until 1966 when the Super Bowl started.  I think our 65 team would have had trouble with the Packers, but I'd have put up the 64 team against the Browns anytime.

[Never NEVER Give-up]

 

Ummm.  No!

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You cannot say they were inferior until 1966 when the Super Bowl started.  I think our 65 team would have had trouble with the Packers, but I'd have put up the 64 team against the Browns anytime.

There's no reason for me to think that those Bills AFL championship teams could have beat the NFL champion Packers or Browns.

 

The fact is that in the 1st SB season, which was the Bills 3rd straight AFL championship appearance, the Chiefs who beat the Bills 31 - 7 IN BUFFALO lost to the Packers 35 - 10.  Now I know football game results are not necessarily transitive but that result makes it hard to believe those Bills teams were on the same level as the NFL champs.

 

 

 

 

[Thrivefourfive]

I think he was 1 for 27 passing for -183 yds and nine interceptions in those games. 
 

very VERY hard pass, please 

Could it be that the Bills won DESPITE Kemp’s anemic play?! 

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

There's no reason for me to think that those Bills AFL championship teams could have beat the NFL champion Packers or Browns.

 

The fact is that in the 1st SB season, which was the Bills 3rd straight AFL championship appearance, the Chiefs who beat the Bills 31 - 7 IN BUFFALO lost to the Packers 35 - 10.  Now I know football game results are not necessarily transitive but that result makes it hard to believe those Bills teams were on the same level as the NFL champs.

 

 

 

 

The 64 team had a great defense and great balanced offense.  We could have given the Browns a real fight.  

[The Frankish Reich]

I was all ready to give my 11-point analysis of why Joe Ferguson actually sucked, but the OP tricked me with the Jack Kemp thing

Given that the OP was @John Gianelli I may need to pull out my Bob McAdoo actually sucked notes.

[mannc]

Mine is Cardale Jones…he knew how to motivate a team to win the National Championship.

[jethro_tull]

Watching that AFL documentary Jack was a good looking clean cut SOB

[Alphadawg7]

23 hours ago, John Gianelli said:

It's Jack Kemp. The frustration of the four Super Bowl losses and our inability to get back to the Super Bowl under Josh Allen have convinced me that the real sign of greatness is motivating your team to win the biggest game. Kemp led the Bills to two league championships in 1964 and 1965. He wasn't as gifted an athlete as Allen, and didn't rack up the stats like Kelly. But he knew how to motivate his team to win when it counted most. I watched the '65 game when I was 8 years old. I wish every Bills fan could know what it feels like to win it all.

Wrong.