Allen PC and state of the Bills

[jaybeezee]

2 hours ago, GoFlamesGo said:

I watched Josh Allen’s presser yesterday and it firmed up some of what I thought before: he is now 100% the boss of football operations for this franchise. McDermott coaches at his will and probably has even adjusted his personal approach in part to work well with Allen. Firing Dorsey, drafting Keon… all those things don’t happen without Allen’s OK (and perhaps even his pushing). He’s very loyal but maybe also a little comfortable in that role, and in his day-to-day. There is a fine line between being loyal and comfortable though… it is a potential path into Rodgers or Peyton territory. From the Bills end, I do absolutely get it, he is the franchise. You need to do whatever it takes to keep him happy, particularly while he’s still this good. I think ‘management’ gets it.

 

This also 100% explains the Diggs situation. I thought this before and when I saw Allen’s year end presser last year, I predicted Diggs was done. Diggs was not unhappy because he wasn’t getting the ball… he was unhappy because he wanted to win, and he disagreed that having the QB ‘run’ the organization was the best way to win. He’s a fairly smart and thoughtful guy, and also super competitive. I don’t think he hated Allen, I just don’t think he liked where this was going. They all handled the situation I think as well as they could, but Diggs had a fundamental problem with how the Bills operated, and he wasn’t going to get through to Allen on what he thought the Bills should do, so he was out. I’d guess he was among those who was not happy with McDermott’s abilities as a coach.

 

I’m not saying Allen runs the defense or makes all the signings or anything like that, I’m just saying he’s extremely powerful now in the organization. Like, he’s the most powerful QB right now in any organization (more powerful than his closest peers: Mahomes, Burrow or Lamar). What that will mean in the long term I don’t know… it may keep them from ever winning a Super Bowl with him (in fact if they don’t I would argue it was the biggest reason why they didn’t, I would agree with Diggs). But right now, I do think it’s hard to argue against the Bills’ approach, because what choice do the Bills have? This approach hopefully keeps Allen from being disgruntled, and it keeps the head coach in a job.

 

I don’t think Allen is outwardly power-hungry or anything like that, in fact, I don’t think this necessarily comes from a bad place beyond him not wanting to disrupt a life he currently enjoys. He wants to be the consummate leader, and often will shoulder too much of the load. In fact, my gut is he was satisfied with the defensive performance against Kansas City, and feels like he probably should have scored at the end of the game to win the game (I wouldn’t agree with him… the defense was bad). My hope is given that McDermott has been able to swallow his pride to this degree at this point, he may even be willing to significantly alter his defensive philosophy and priorities in player acquisition to better suit what the team needs when they play top level competition in the playoffs. I think that’s the Bills’ best chance going forward.

This is pretty accurate! I just posted somewhere else that Allen has a lot more control over offensive personnel than most understand, or choose not to believe. He asked for Keon and Kincaid. He also asked for Beasley's dismissal and approved the release of John Brown, even though they were adamant supporters of Josh. 

 

Mcdermott stated before we hired Dorsey that he preferred to bring in an experienced OC, but Josh asked for Dorsey. Same goes for Brady. Josh isnt playing for less money than he could and should be getting for them to give him Coleman, Hollins, Shakir and especially Knox. 

[jaybeezee]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

If Coleman was really Josh's pick then Josh is fired.  Worthy or McConkey look better in their rookie seasons and seem more versatile as WR threats.  With QB's so hyper focused on turnover margins nowadays, the 50/50 ball is becoming a risk some QBs aren't taking as much.

He has stated that he asked for Coleman and the same goes for Kincaid. He personally asked them to draft both if they were there. They do need to stop listening to him and draft the absolutely best player out there, based on position needs and neither of those 2 were the best that were left on the board.

 

One thing I almost know for certain is, Josh does not want someone who will command the ball period. We need a Diggs type with a better attitude. Everybody eats is not the way to go unless you have multiple big game guys like Cincy does with Chase and Higgins! 

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Rather then Allen running the Bills organization and telling Bean who to draft in the 1st & 2nd rounds his Coleman comment sounds like someone trying to make the new guy feel good about joining the Bills.  Especially as there was some negative stuff being said about the Coleman pick.

 

Past, Present and Future drafts have ALL been about the scouting department and not about Allen running the draft. 

 

 

 

 

I think Beane is more interested in those at the top of the draft, and relies more on scouting for the lower picks. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it as the top picks seem so hit and miss yet those lower down the draft have a better overall success rate.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, GoFlamesGo said:

Figured I’d get some fan-boy type responses. I’m definitely not alone in some of these views on the current state of the Bills… and it’s OK to point out any issues ongoing with the team even if it involves the best player in franchise history (I wasn’t around for OJ but I was for Bruce). Again the main point is we are ‘stuck’ with McD so long as he is Allen’s guy, and maybe if you think McD is a good defensive coach, that doesn’t bother you at all. It’s not a crazy take, just not one I personally agree with.

 

Believe what you want, but I am VERY confident Diggs wanted out for reasons other than getting the ball.

Fan boy!  Strip away your passive BS Here's what you accused, yes accused, Allen of:

 

* Firing Dorsey, drafting Keon… all those things don’t happen without Allen’s OK (and perhaps even his pushing).  So Allen fired Dorsey, got it.

 

* He’s very loyal but maybe also a little comfortable in that role, and in his day-to-day. There is a fine line between being loyal and comfortable though… it is a potential path into Rodgers or Peyton territory. From the Bills end, I do absolutely get it, he is the franchise. You need to do whatever it takes to keep him happy, particularly while he’s still this good.  So Allen is a diva who is to comfortable, got it.

 

* Diggs was not unhappy because he wasn’t getting the ball… he was unhappy because he wanted to win, and he disagreed that having the QB ‘run’ the organization was the best way to win. I just don’t think he liked where this was going. but Diggs had a fundamental problem with how the Bills operated, and he wasn’t going to get through to Allen on what he thought the Bills should do, so he was out.  So Allen runs the Bills and doesn't want to win as much as Diggs did, got it.

 

I’m not saying Allen runs the defense or makes all the signings or anything like that.  Yea because saying "Allen runs the defense and makes all the signings" is bat feces crazy.

 

I’m just saying he’s extremely powerful now in the organization. Like, he’s the most powerful QB right now in any organization (more powerful than his closest peers: Mahomes, Burrow or Lamar).  So Allen is the most powerful QB right now.  More powerful then Mahomes, Burrow & Lamar.  So why hasn't he surrounded himself with offensive studs?  You do know that Burrows publicly argued for the Bengals to draft Chase in the 1st round.

 

What that will mean in the long term I don’t know…  But I'm sure you will tell us and it won't reflect well on Allen.

 

it may keep them from ever winning a Super Bowl with him (in fact if they don’t I would argue it was the biggest reason why they didn’t, I would agree with Diggs). So you think Allen is keeping us from winning a Super Bowl. And if we don't win a Super Bowl the biggest reason will be Allen, got it.

 

But right now, I do think it’s hard to argue against the Bills’ approach, because what choice do the Bills have? This approach hopefully keeps Allen from being disgruntled, and it keeps the head coach in a job. What the hell?

 

I don’t think Allen is outwardly power-hungry or anything like that, so you think Allen is only inwardly power hungry?

 

in fact, I don’t think this necessarily comes from a bad place beyond him not wanting to disrupt a life he currently enjoys. He wants to be the consummate leader, and often will shoulder too much of the load. In fact, my gut is he was satisfied with the defensive performance against Kansas City, and feels like he probably should have scored at the end of the game to win the game (I wouldn’t agree with him… the defense was bad). My hope is given that McDermott has been able to swallow his pride to this degree at this point, he may even be willing to significantly alter his defensive philosophy and priorities in player acquisition to better suit what the team needs when they play top level competition in the playoffs. I think that’s the Bills’ best chance going forward.  This last paragraph is pure creative writing trolling.  No Bills can could write it, or read it, with a straight face

 

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

If someone put together a video of all throws to Coleman this season, you would see way more throws of the “he is our contested catch guy?” vs “wow what a great contested catch!”  

 

Just havin' some fun with ya....

[Captain_Quint]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

McDermott did give up the defense, and our defense was better last year when McDermott was the DC. Babich did a solid job but needs better players and more time to grow.

 

 

Yeah, but it's still his defense, Babich is just running it. Nickel D 70% of the time with fast, undersized players. And year after year it gets exposed when it matters most. And when they have to play man defense, the players we have can't hold up. 

 

Don't get me wrong, McD has a good D that can get you to the playoffs, which we've seen for 7 years. But the secret is out on how to beat him and it happens the same way each year. Time to switch it up and play a new hand, in my opinion.