Day #3 after the loss to KC: Feeling better? Worse? Why? (Thread started at Day #2)

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

This is the closest they have been.  The score says otherwise but they were right there.  Players coming into their prime with Chiefs players exiting theirs is the silver lining. 

 

Chris Jones still has a few years of prime left.  

 

Their best OL players are young.

 

Rashee Rice, if he comes back the same guy post-injury, is better than any WR we have. 

 

McDuffie is better than any CB we have (yes, he's better than Benford and he stays healthy).

 

They keep drafting impact guys where we struggle to get them on the field in any meaningful way year 1.  

 

The only silver lining player personnel wise is that Kelce is reaching the end and they, like us, have a lot of big money decisions coming up on good players.

[Sojourner]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

They were complaining about spots a lot of the game actually...there were at least 7 or 8 times where Nantz said the Bills picked up a first down and then almost in shock had to correct himself and say "the official is now marking him short!". Cannot ever remember a game where the ball consistently was being marked short of first downs for the Bills almost every time.  Watched Bills games for 40 years and haven't ever seen anything like that and definitely never heard the announcers incredulous as to it continuing to happen over and over.

Absolutely, I was perplexed by what I was seeing. Once or twice a game, yeah. But every time they were near the down line it was short. 
 

Some people will say then you make sure by play design and effort your past the sticks i can agree with. But sometimes you’re just “up against it”. 
 

And up against it we certainly were. Like you end with, never heard the announcers be incredulous as to what is happening regarding officiating, me neither. 
 

Well, maybe once but never the whole crew including the Officiating Analyst be shocked the call went the way it did. 
 

The MFL, Massaging Football League has an accurate ring to it. 

[Dillenger4]

I feel MUCH better. It's over. KC beat us. They were out to hit hard and it showed. Their D was tough.

But all the fans on here complaining about refs and the call makes me sick. It's a game of inches. We DID NOT make it on 4th down. Josh was close but no go. It was clear on TV. Now, on the third down with Kincaid prior to the 4th down - Kincaid made the line. That is on mcD as he didn't challenge the spot. We rushed to the line... and boom. Got stopped hard!

Get over it people... we will be back. Lots of cap room, draft picks etc. Be happy we are not Cincy or miami or vegas or Carolina. We have a very good team. Buffalo will be back next year! GO BILLS!

[BuffaloBaumer]

4th and 1

Cooper almost breaking free on the 3rd and 10

Kincaid dropping the ball

Giving Worthy that catch...oof

 

But mostly it will be known as the 4th and 1 game to me. 

It's just so damn hard to get within one game of the super bowl and they were healthy. Everything has to go right for this team to get over the hump and they never do.

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, quincy said:

In the short term, I will watch the Super Bowl this year, last year I didn't, it will be so interesting where a much better Philly defence matches up against KC. Their DL should get pressure for sure, the Chiefs will hold, the flags will come but who will get the penalty? The opposing matchup is also true with the Chiefs DL versus Eagles OL. I am interested in the trench warfare more than anything else.

 

I am sure in time the doom and gloom will lift and daring to dream resurface, that is human nature I suppose but at this point it isn't rational thinking but blind faith.

 

 

 

 

 

Is it bad that I am rooting for KC to win with help from the refs?

 

I want it to be blatant.  I want the NFL to own it.

[CaliBills]

I am neither happy or unhappy.  Disappointed yes.

 

I said before the game I would rather lose the AFCCP then lose another Superbowl.

 

Regardless, this will be the first year I will purposely be not watching the Super Bowl in 35 years.  Taylor Swift influence, Gambling Influence, too much for me.

 

Since Gambling on NFL games have been legal, the influence of calls by Refs seem to be (as Bill Burr stated) "massaging the outcome of games".

 

Anyways,  I will continue to watch the NFL next year on  "streaming" sites just so they can't count my number in viewership.  

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:30 PM by CaliBills

[GunnerBill]

Better, but not about the defeat. Just because it's day 2 the sick, gutted feeling subsides. 

 

I feel like having had the ball at the end and coming up short makes the problem more fixable. If the 2nd half had looked like the first I'd feel worse. 

 

What I do feel bad about is the Superbowl. I will watch but ugh.... can't ever remember looking forward to one less. A Chief threepeat or the ***** despisable Eagles. I'll cheer for the refs.

[BananaB]

9 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Your 55 subscription renewals say otherwise!

 

I never watched a game all season that wasn’t the Bills until Playoffs.  So I’m not sure what talking about.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

Worse. We had a very injury free year. That likely doesn't happen again.

[ngbills]

I would call it frustrated.

 

Seeing how clearly the Bills should have the 4th and 1 play (not to mention the 3rd down play should have been spotted a first). You can only wonder how the game is different if the Bills get that first. 

 

Wondering why the Bills never tried anything different. On at least one of those short tush plays, they should have been creative and faked it. 

 

Man Kincaid. He should have caught that ball. And in watching that 4th and 1 over and over, guess who is right there kind of pushing Allen but not as powerfully as others have...but Kincaid. Two key plays and Kincaid not doing enough. Not to mention falling short on the 3rd down. 

 

How is our D that bad? We know KC is good but look what HOU was able to do the week before. I get they are gonna score. But may them look like they are in whole other league. 

 

Its going to be a long offseason...

[JP51]

42 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Yeah, I can go with that. Never been one to complain about officiating other than in game. Refereeing being the outcome of a game was always an excuse unless it’s the very last play that decides it. 
 

However, massaging the outcome might be on to something. 
 

There was what? Like 7 bad spots solely for us throughout the game. Never seen that many before. The Worthy catch. 2 face masks against us but they missed 2 on the Chiefs, one by Tranquill when Josh was over the pile and the other on Cook. They don’t call a Chiefs player diving on the back of Cook’s neck either. Very strange all around. 

Dont forget the obvious neutral zone infraction on the 4th and 1 and the fact they let the Chiefs take the 2 minute warning despite it being delay of game. 

[Sojourner]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

We just watched the Texans Defense give them fits the week before and that was with an Offense/Special Teams that kept putting them in bad positions.  Then KC plays us and we look like a JV team out there on that side of the ball. 

 

Can a Maxx Crosby solve that?  I don't know.. but it's the only hope I have.

Pass rush is the difference. We had some in spurts but a game wrecker absolutely changes that. We have just one of Will Anderson or Danielle Hunter we win that game. Hunter didn’t get the sacks but he still got the pressures and hurries. 
 

Honestly, Jerry Hughes level might have won us that game. All pressure, no product is better than what we saw. 
 

Not to throw it onto players but the biggest disappoint was Groot. The dude was terrible yesterday. 
 

Even worse, and I’ve mentioned it several times, the 2nd & 9 to Pacheco on the last drive, Groot, Bernard & Taron are removed from the play by Ju-Ju Smith-Shuster. 
Unacceptable for a guy of Groots size. Pathetic that is 3 of our better players. 

[May Day 10]

Today I am mad at coaching and Brady, and Im not usually a blame the coach guy.

 

Cant figure out why they didnt use Cook on that last drive.  Some puzzling moves.  

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

I would call it frustrated.

 

Seeing how clearly the Bills should have the 4th and 1 play (not to mention the 3rd down play should have been spotted a first). You can only wonder how the game is different if the Bills get that first. 

 

Wondering why the Bills never tried anything different. On at least one of those short tush plays, they should have been creative and faked it. 

 

Man Kincaid. He should have caught that ball. And in watching that 4th and 1 over and over, guess who is right there kind of pushing Allen but not as powerfully as others have...but Kincaid. Two key plays and Kincaid not doing enough. Not to mention falling short on the 3rd down. 

 

How is our D that bad? We know KC is good but look what HOU was able to do the week before. I get they are gonna score. But may them look like they are in whole other league. 

 

Its going to be a long offseason...

We knew the D was bad. And I’m not making excuses for them in anyway shape or form but they did more than most people would have given them credit for. They stopped them twice to open the second half and held them to a FG with 3-4 minutes left. 
 

Did they fail the final drive? Absolutely. They sht the bed, see the post about Ju-Ju wiping 3 of our better players on the 2nd & 9. But we knew that was going to be the case… they weren’t going to stop Mahomes and the Chiefs on a final drive unless it was a TD or broke to win. Even then we’d still have reservations. 
 

Our offense was what was going to win us the game and like many have said you can’t rely on them scoring that many points to win, I agree with, you knew that was the only reason we were. 
 

We got the shaft of the refs on way too many plays but there was a lot of plays if we have better execution offensively we’re walking out of that game with a W. Irrespective of how bad the defense played to some people. 
 

Heartbreak now might be better than heartbreak in the Super Bowl. That Eagles team, QB aside, is head and shoulders above KC in quality. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Pass rush is the difference. We had some in spurts but a game wrecker absolutely changes that. We have just one of Will Anderson or Danielle Hunter we win that game. Hunter didn’t get the sacks but he still got the pressures and hurries. 
 

Honestly, Jerry Hughes level might have won us that game. All pressure, no product is better than what we saw. 
 

Not to throw it onto players but the biggest disappoint was Groot. The dude was terrible yesterday. 
 

Even worse, and I’ve mentioned it several times, the 2nd & 9 to Pacheco on the last drive, Groot, Bernard & Taron are removed from the play by Ju-Ju Smith-Shuster. 
Unacceptable for a guy of Groots size. Pathetic that is 3 of our better players. 

 

In terms of who we pay, if I'm Beane, I judge them by these games. 

 

James Cook moved into the "pay him" category for me after Sunday. 

 

Bernard, Benford and Rousseau, for me, are play out their contracts next year and then let them test the market.   One guy didn't make an impact while his partner at LB did, the other got injured in the postseason again and the third plain didn't show up in a big moment.   Rousseau and Benford will likely be 20M+ guys.. we can't keep pay good, not great players who either don't show up in big moments or are frequently unavailable.

[Sojourner]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

In terms of who we pay, if I'm Beane, I judge them by these games. 

 

James Cook moved into the "pay him" category for me after Sunday. 

 

Bernard, Benford and Rousseau, for me, are play out their contracts next year and then let them test the market.   One guy didn't make an impact while his partner at LB did, the other got injured in the postseason again and the third plain didn't show up in a big moment.   Rousseau and Benford will likely be 20M+ guys.. we can't keep pay good, not great players who either don't show up in big moments or are frequently unavailable.

Facts. I was a RB are dime a dozen in today’s game but Cook has proven me wrong the last few games. I have no problem paying him unless it’s on Saquons level. 
 

The other trio is exactly that, especially the two 20m guys you highlight. 
 

Paying good not great is a problem. Well said. 

19 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I never watched a game all season that wasn’t the Bills until Playoffs.  So I’m not sure what talking about.  

Eh. Just a joke to what you need to watch man.

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

I’m fine with the loss. Call me a negative Nancy, but I never expected them to make the Super Bowl. As a whole, nothing had really changed player or coaching wise. And our biggest rival, who we are 0-3 against in the playoffs, didn’t change. 
 

In fact, unless there are fundamental changes, the same thing will happen next year. Allen will play lights out (as he always does) and our bend, but don’t break defense will break. This defensive philosophy is fine against rookie QBs and the average starting QB, but it doesn’t work against elite offenses. It just leads to a tired defense and then we break. And this is why we saw our offense suddenly become a ground game first offense in the playoffs. To keep the opposing QB off the field. 

The defense got the right stop at the end to give the offense a chance to win the game with 3min left. Allen playing lights out would’ve finished that drive with a TD. He was good after a shaky start but he was not lights out Allen. We needed that guy for this game. 

[jimmy10]

I’m fine. I learned a long time ago to not waste too much energy on ***** I can’t control. I give myself 24 hours to mope over sports-related disappointment and then move on. 
 

It does do my heart good to see how many people far removed from BillsMafia are howling about the questionable calls.  Plenty of people are bitching on our behalf. Saw a funny clip of Bill Burr on Rich Eisen’s show saying he doesn’t think things are “fixed” but they definitely get “massaged.” 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

The defense got the right stop at the end to give the offense a chance to win the game with 3min left. Allen playing lights out would’ve finished that drive with a TD. He was good after a shaky start but he was not lights out Allen. We needed that guy for this game. 

 

Allen hit Kincaid in the hands and did everything in his power to have us set up at the KC 30, down 3, with under 2 minutes and 2 timeouts.

 

Allen was shaky to start, yes.  Mahomes also fumbled early, leading to a 14 point swing.

 

Allen gets held to a comical standard because the team and coaches around him choke.  It is what it is.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Really angry still. As it usually takes me two or three days to get over something like this. Monday was my birthday and I was really really hoping to be celebrating that with the Super Bowl appearance. I guess you build these things up in your head and then when it doesn’t happen it takes you a bit to reconcile reality.