good comments from Bills players in this new Athletic piece

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, sure, some of their plays looked like they were talking candy, but really, the Chiefs struggled all day to put up points. The stats were incredibly even.  It wasn't a cake walk for the Chiefs. 

 

Another way to say what I mean is that all of the best individual plays came from the Bills. A couple amazing Allen throws, Cook's acrobatic TD, Phillips crushing his guard off the snap, Milano chasing down Mahomes in the backfield. On the Chiefs side the only exceptional individual play I can think of was that Worthy catch. Everything else their coaches handed to them. What was Mahomes' signature play from this game? He played exceptionally but he didn't need to do anything exceptional.

 

So it's two playoff losses in a row now where the game was close at the end, but the degree of difficulty for the players on each team was massively different. On the drive that decided the game their coaches beat ours, big time. No player on the Chiefs needed to do anything on that final 4th down except go where Spags told them to. Allen almost beat it anyways because he is Allen, but that's what I mean. Our players are expected to do more than their counterparts because the coaching details aren't there for us.

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:09 PM by HappyDays

[LarryMadman]

Holy smokes, what more proof is needed to understand McDermott needs to go. Players coming out and saying ***** like that, wow time to go Sean.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, LarryMadman said:

Holy smokes, what more proof is needed to understand McDermott needs to go. Players coming out and saying ***** like that, wow time to go Sean.

Who do you replace him with?

[Shaw66]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Our players are expected to do more than their counterparts because the coaching details aren't there for us.

 

Thanks.  Good discussion. 

 

I focused on the quoted language.  We're talking about the same thing, but I look at it a bit differently.  

 

McDermott's objective is to have his players do what you said the KC players did - just go to the places where you're supposed to be, do your job, etc.  And the Bills players do that very well, probably better than any other team.  However, the coaches aren't giving them the details you're talking about.  The game gets easier the more details the players get. 

 

It's the difference between Allen and Mahomes.  Mahomes almost always makes the play he's supposed to make, not because he's better than Allen, but because he's better prepared than Allen.

 

I've said this before, but it bears repeating.  I heard a retired NFL player (I don't think I heard his name), a journeyman who had played for several teams, say this:  Under Belichick, Patriots players were routinely better prepared than their opponents.  He said it was the only team he'd ever been on where every week, the coaches gave him two or three or four keys the were player or situation or formation specific.  Things like "when they're in X formation and the guard is pulling, he lines up six inches back from where he normally lines up."  Little details like that.  He said they were always right, and it gave him an advantage on a half dozen plays every game.  He said he never got that stuff on any other team. 

 

It's not enough to be prepared for what the opponent has done in the past. You have to be prepared for what they might do in this game. Reid knows you know his tendencies, and he knows how you'll respond to those tendencies.  Spags did it on 4th and five.  

[90sBills]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

It shouldn’t have gotten to that point….but it did. In THAT moment you have to catch the ball or you go home. It’s that simple. Ask Mark Andrews. 

It was brutal for Andrews as I’m sure Kincaid is devastated as well. But their two catches are not similar at all. It’s like sinking a 2-ft tap in putt vs trying to make a 10fter to win a major. Yeah pros should be able to make both but 1 is significantly easier. 

[dave mcbride]

38 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Another way to say what I mean is that all of the best individual plays came from the Bills. A couple amazing Allen throws, Cook's acrobatic TD, Phillips crushing his guard off the snap, Milano chasing down Mahomes in the backfield. On the Chiefs side the only exceptional individual play I can think of was that Worthy catch. Everything else their coaches handed to them. What was Mahomes' signature play from this game? He played exceptionally but he didn't need to do anything exceptional.

 

So it's two playoff losses in a row now where the game was close at the end, but the degree of difficulty for the players on each team was massively different. On the drive that decided the game their coaches beat ours, big time. No player on the Chiefs needed to do anything on that final 4th down except go where Spags told them to. Allen almost beat it anyways because he is Allen, but that's what I mean. Our players are expected to do more than their counterparts because the coaching details aren't there for us.

 

Well put.

[GoBills808]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Another way to say what I mean is that all of the best individual plays came from the Bills. A couple amazing Allen throws, Cook's acrobatic TD, Phillips crushing his guard off the snap, Milano chasing down Mahomes in the backfield. On the Chiefs side the only exceptional individual play I can think of was that Worthy catch. Everything else their coaches handed to them. What was Mahomes' signature play from this game? He played exceptionally but he didn't need to do anything exceptional.

 

So it's two playoff losses in a row now where the game was close at the end, but the degree of difficulty for the players on each team was massively different. On the drive that decided the game their coaches beat ours, big time. No player on the Chiefs needed to do anything on that final 4th down except go where Spags told them to. Allen almost beat it anyways because he is Allen, but that's what I mean. Our players are expected to do more than their counterparts because the coaching details aren't there for us.

 

exactly how I saw it too fwiw

 

Everything was difficult for us and almost everything was available for them. They had easy answers on offense every series and moving the ball against their defense was a struggle. and even w all that, after being made to suffer and claw the whole game...we still had a chance at the end. That is why I am so bummed about the Kincaid drop. We were never winning that game w out someone making a special play because we had been so outclassed the entire time and he had it right there in his hands and let it slip away.

 

Those are the moments you have got to seize. imo we had no real business being only 3 down w the ball to score the potential winning TD. In fact as I said I think if that game gets played 100 times we are winning fewer than 10. But it was there for the taking and we just couldn't close the deal and I'm not sure we will ever get a better opportunity to beat them tbh.

 

I mean they used Perine on Benford to get the game sealing first down ffs 😂😂just a complete middle finger from Reid about how easy it is for them vs us

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, 90sBills said:

It was brutal for Andrews as I’m sure Kincaid is devastated as well. But their two catches are not similar at all. It’s like sinking a 2-ft tap in putt vs trying to make a 10fter to win a major. Yeah pros should be able to make both but 1 is significantly easier. 

Ugh…and a professional receiver is expected to make BOTH catches. It’s not about the equality of the difficulty it’s about the equality of the result. One week the Bills benefited from a dropped catch and the very next week they suffered from it. 

[90sBills]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Ugh…and a professional receiver is expected to make BOTH catches. It’s not about the equality of the difficulty it’s about the equality of the result. One week the Bills benefited from a dropped catch and the very next week they suffered from it. 

You’re right of course. But expectations are often not met in athletics. Happens all the time all across professional sports. 

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Because the Chiefs were blitzing, they were in man, and all the patterns were dragging the receivers out to the right.

 

This is not true.

Two LBs and a Safety stayed in their zone between the hashes and didn't chase the flag or the drag. Both LB's were eyeballing Shakir and Allen was eyeballing them because I think Shakir was where he wanted to go presnap. Both LBs held their water and if Allen tosses to Shakir he doesn't make the sticks, if he rolls left and runs he doesn't make the sticks, if he rolls left and looks downfield he's fouled up his angle to Kincaid.

The only way the play works is if he drifts back and gets a ball out leading Kincaid just before the rush gets home.

[appoo]

Do people not watch football outside of the Bills? What Cyrus was talking about happens all the time. Heck we probably did it to the Chiefs during the game itself. We had played where Brady set up and eventually outschemed Spags. 

 

The problem here is that Spagnulo managed to trick Josh Allen on a high leverage play, and you just give credit to Spags for that. 

 

Like how the hell are you supposed to predict that the Chiefs will do something they hadn't done all season for the most part? 

 

And what's not said here is that the Chiefs have better players on offense than the Bills do on defense, and if you want to keep attacking Brady just remember that the Bills put up 29 points on an elite defense while the defense forced exactly 0 3 and outs, 2 punts, and one lucky turnover where Mahomes literally just dropped it. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:06 PM by appoo

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

That is why I am so bummed about the Kincaid drop.

 

I'm bummed in part because I nailed everything that would happen with KC. After they barely beat the Panthers I said they are going undefeated the rest of the way, and that the Bills are the only team capable of stopping them from three-peating because we have the only player capable of making the big play in the big moment to overcome them. And there it was. Facing off against the otherwise undefeated Chiefs with Allen making the big play in the big moment. Of course in my initial prediction I should have accounted for the fact that some other Bills player would be involved on that play and would inevitably choke. Stupid me. Won't make that mistake again.

 

They are three-peating. 1000%. Probably four-peating too.

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

This is not true.

Two LBs and a Safety stayed in their zone between the hashes and didn't chase the flag or the drag. Both LB's were eyeballing Shakir and Allen was eyeballing them because I think Shakir was where he wanted to go presnap. Both LBs held their water and if Allen tosses to Shakir he doesn't make the sticks, if he rolls left and runs he doesn't make the sticks, if he rolls left and looks downfield he's fouled up his angle to Kincaid.

The only way the play works is if he drifts back and gets a ball out leading Kincaid just before the rush gets home.

There is literally no way Josh could have flipped hips INTO free rushers and made that play to Shakir - especially when Shakir wasn't the 1st or maybe even 2nd read. There wasn't a hot route available to Josh on the play because it was on the WRONG SIDE. They tricked Allen into shifting his protection left because all seaosn and even all game they showed simulated pressure from one side while bringing pressure from the other. And keep in mind Allen was sacked just once, they weren't really getting to him, so Spags INTENTIONALLY sacfrificed pressure and maybe even points just in case so had this blitz available to him. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm bummed in part because I nailed everything that would happen with KC. After they barely beat the Panthers I said they are going undefeated the rest of the way, and that the Bills are the only team capable of stopping them from three-peating because we have the only player capable of making the big play in the big moment to overcome them. And there it was. Facing off against the otherwise undefeated Chiefs with Allen making the big play in the big moment. Of course in my initial prediction I should have accounted for the fact that some other Bills player would be involved on that play and would inevitably choke. Stupid me. Won't make that mistake again.

 

They are three-peating. 1000%. Probably four-peating too.

100%

 

that's why i take no comfort in 'Brady and the Pats didn't win EVERY Super Bowl, we can sneak one'

 

Brady and the Pats never did this. These guys are better and they're not going anywhere

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

This is not true.

Two LBs and a Safety stayed in their zone between the hashes and didn't chase the flag or the drag. Both LB's were eyeballing Shakir and Allen was eyeballing them because I think Shakir was where he wanted to go presnap. Both LBs held their water and if Allen tosses to Shakir he doesn't make the sticks, if he rolls left and runs he doesn't make the sticks, if he rolls left and looks downfield he's fouled up his angle to Kincaid.

The only way the play works is if he drifts back and gets a ball out leading Kincaid just before the rush gets home.

I don't think so. If the Bills had known that the rush was coming from the right side, Allen never would have rolled to the right. He certainly would have drifted left and he would have had other options. At the very least, they would have had a run by Allen around the left end with a blocker ahead of him. They only needed five yards.  

 

What you describe wouldn't have been the plan. The plan would have been to avoid the rush, and that meant escaping to the left.  

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, appoo said:

Do people not watch football outside of the Bills? What Cyrus was talking about happens all the time. Heck we probably did it to the Chiefs during the game itself. We had played where Brady set up and eventually outschemed Spags. 

 

The problem here is that Spagnulo managed to trick Josh Allen on a high leverage play, and you just give credit to Spags for that. 

 

Like how the hell are you supposed to predict that the Chiefs will do something they hadn't done all season for the most part? 

 

And what's not said here is that the Chiefs have better players on offense than the Bills do on offense, and if you want to keep attacking Brady just remember that the Bills put up 29 points on an elite defense while the defense forced exactly 0 3 and outs, 2 punts, and one lucky turnover where Mahomes literally just dropped it. 

also- why are people acting like a blitz getting home is just a matter of calling out a bad line shift lol

 

usually you just tip your cap to the defense instead of blaming the QB especially when he actually makes the miracle play to get the ball into the receiver's hands

[appoo]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

I don't think so. If the Bills had known that the rush was coming from the right side, Allen never would have rolled to the right. He certainly would have drifted left and he would have had other options. At the very least, they would have had a run by Allen around the left end with a blocker ahead of him. They only needed five yards.  

 

What you describe wouldn't have been the plan. The plan would have been to avoid the rush, and that meant escaping to the left.  

There's no good reason the Bills had for predicting this. Spagnula did the equivelent of sacrificing his own Queen for this to work in the end. 

[90sBills]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm bummed in part because I nailed everything that would happen with KC. After they barely beat the Panthers I said they are going undefeated the rest of the way, and that the Bills are the only team capable of stopping them from three-peating because we have the only player capable of making the big play in the big moment to overcome them. And there it was. Facing off against the otherwise undefeated Chiefs with Allen making the big play in the big moment. Of course in my initial prediction I should have accounted for the fact that some other Bills player would be involved on that play and would inevitably choke. Stupid me. Won't make that mistake again.

 

They are three-peating. 1000%. Probably four-peating too.

The Eagles will have something to say about that. They do two things well that are KC’s weaknesses. They have a remarkable running game with Saquon and they get pressure up the middle on defense. That’s Mahomes’ kryptonite.

 

4-peat? Man if that happens might as well dissolve the NFL. 

[eball]

KC has the best coaching staff in the league and an all-time great QB.  It’s ok to admit that.  Reid is an amazing offensive mind and Spags is an amazing defensive mind.  It’s not a surprise they are so effective.

 

THAT SAID — it’s not as if the Bills were blown off the field.  We still had the ball and a chance to win and a pass that — despite a brilliant defensive call — bounced off the hands of our TE.

 

I’m pretty damned happy with the state of this team and where we are headed.  We had an undermanned defense being called by a first-time playcaller.

 

Go Bills!

 

[appoo]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

also- why are people acting like a blitz getting home is just a matter of calling out a bad line shift lol

 

usually you just tip your cap to the defense instead of blaming the QB especially when he actually makes the miracle play to get the ball into the receiver's hands

To me the final 4th down play was the straw that broke the camels back. Much more important was that ***** 4th down play, and a whole bunch of plays the Chiefs had on offense. That's what made the Bills lose. Not a single 4th down play where Spags pushed all his marbles into a single blitz (which is kinda insane honestly, if the Bills had the right personnel and play, that's a ***** TD)

Edited Tuesday at 11:11 PM by appoo