good comments from Bills players in this new Athletic piece

[Brand J]

29 minutes ago, london_bills said:

What annoys me is not that KC came up with new stuff to fool us, it's the fact that we didn't come up with new stuff to fool them. 

 

Why doesn't this coaching staff put certain plays in ONLY for KC? 

 

 

In fairness, how do you know we didn’t? I guess if you’re arguing from the defensive side, I would agree, but offensively we did score 4 TDs and a FG, same as KC. 

[Billz4ever]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Meh I guess over preparedness and under manifest similarly so not sure the distinction is meaningful

 

Regardless I'm chuckling in the light of day about how inadequate our preparation was. As if the Chiefs weren't holding stuff back against us because they didn't want to show it to the Eagles before the SB...there are levels

 

 

 

As much film as they watched, they somehow forgot to be able to contain on the edge.  On all the Mahomes runs, no spy and no contain from the edge. Yeah, I'm looking at you Groot.

[BillsShredder83]

16 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I’m accepting of it. This wasn’t 13 seconds-like.  This wasn’t a fluky win for KC so it’s easier to wash it off and move on.  It was obvious from the first 4 mins of the game KC was more composed, better coached, better prepared.  Credit the Chiefs, and credit the Bills for hanging in there and even making Kansas City and their fans sweat it out.

Is their a coach on the offense thats worthy of poaching? Maybe a position coach that would take a small'ish promotion to come here?  WR/TE/QB Coach thatd come in for that role plus like an assistant OC? Theres enough positions to help motivate guy.  Isnt there a Gameday Passing Coordinator or something like that?  Somebody who might be able to bring some of that Reid knowledge over?

 

I know McD was on Reids staff at one point, but I dont even think he was D. Coord with Eagles (could be wrong).  That was also a long time ago.  Im thinking someone thats rubbed shoulders with Reid, and more recently than Sean.  Give Reid our roster and I think he has a Chiefs run this season, hard to believe otherwise.

 

If not, look to Shanahan or McVay's staff?  Im not ready to give up on Brady, and Im certian OBD isn't either.  Lets get him so legit help and build off the good things we did this year.  Also, you always want someone like that waiting on the team, the same way Brady was QB Coach.  If Brady crushes it and gets a new job, itd be great to have a legit talent being groomed, at least as an option.

[Simon]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes…but he’d actually gets the pass off despite the blitz, and throws up a receiver friendly throw to Kincaid

 

That was the opposite of a receiver friendly throw. He had to stop on a dead sprint, reverse field and dive back just to get his hands on it.

That ball was a full 15 yrds from the vacated zone where it should have been.

I'm not blaming Allen for it, but the idea this was an easy catch or a receiver friendly ball is 100% pure bunk.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

That was the opposite of a receiver friendly throw. He had to stop on a dead sprint, reverse field and dive back just to get his hands on it.

That ball was a full 15 yrds from the vacated zone where it should have been.

I'm not blaming Allen for it, but the idea this was an easy catch or a receiver friendly ball is 100% pure bunk.

It wasn’t a bullet. It wasn’t over his head. Kincaid doesn’t have a defender draped on him. He makes the adjustment while the ball, a lob, is in the air and the ball literally goes right through his arms. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

8 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Defense got two stops to start the second half. All week I heard that we needed a few stops and a turnover. The Bills D got all of those things and still lost. 

That’s not enough. 2 stops in 6 quarters is not enough. KC hasn’t scored 30 in a year. They got 32, fumbled in the red zone and also didn’t even try to score on the last drive. Enough of this. This defense is not good enough. 2 stops. It should be closer to allowing 2 TDs than 2 stops. Even the ***** teams KC played, stopped them. It was ONLY us. You have a team that only throw’s underneath and won’t push the ball down field. And this ####### is playing corners 8 yards off! How is that even a thought in your mind? This team will only throw short….get on them at the line FFS

[Shaw66]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Players make plays. Did the blitz impact that final play? Yes, it did, but NOT the way so many on here believe. The Chiefs blitzed off our right side, meaning they dropped into coverage on the left side. So is Shakir open in the left flat? Yes….but he’d get swarmed. Did Josh get hurried? Yes…but he’d actually gets the pass off despite the blitz, and throws up a receiver friendly throw to Kincaid who’s wide open BECAUSE of the blitz, not in SPITE of it. Kincaid proceeds to drop it. 

It's a good point. There is no question that players need to make plays to win games, and Kincaid didn't make the play.  

 

However, if the Bills had been properly prepared for that blitz and had called the right protection, Allen would have had time in the pocket and would have thrown a ball that didn't require Kincaid to stop all of his momentum and come back for the ball. 

 

My reaction during the game was that the Chiefs were better prepared, and these comments seem to support that. 

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It wasn’t a bullet. It wasn’t over his head. Kincaid doesn’t have a defender draped on him. He makes the adjustment while the ball, a lob, is in the air and the ball literally goes right through his arms. 

I wouldn’t call it a lob, more like a wounded duck that was spinning to the left like a slider in baseball.  Kincaid was the only one who correctly adjusted to the ball that was curving to his right.  It would have been a great catch but still one he probably expects himself to make.  But in no way was that an easy catch.  

[Saint Doug]

If this first post is TLDR, they’re basically saying they go out-coached. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

I wouldn’t call it a lob, more like a wounded duck that was spinning to the left like a slider in baseball.  Kincaid was the only one who correctly adjusted to the ball that was curving to his right.  It would have been a great catch but still one he probably expects himself to make.  But in no way was that an easy catch.  

You don’t back your way into the Superbowl. He simply HAS TO make that catch in that moment. The exact same way Mark Andrews HAD TO make the catch on a two point conversion throw that was slightly behind him just one week ago. No? 

[Simon]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It wasn’t a bullet. It wasn’t over his head. Kincaid doesn’t have a defender draped on him. He makes the adjustment while the ball, a lob, is in the air and the ball literally goes right through his arms. 

 

He should have made the tough catch.

But he also shouldn't have had to make the tough catch.

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

You don’t back your way into the Superbowl. He simply HAS TO make that catch in that moment. The exact same way Mark Andrews HAD TO make the catch on a two point conversion throw that was slightly behind him just one week ago. No? 

Those 2 drops aren’t even close to comparable.  I’d give Andrew’s catch a 98% probability another NFL tight end catches  that pass.  I’d give Kincaids a 20-25% success rate from an NFL Tight End.  

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I wouldn’t call it a lob, more like a wounded duck that was spinning to the left like a slider in baseball.  Kincaid was the only one who correctly adjusted to the ball that was curving to his right.  It would have been a great catch but still one he probably expects himself to make.  But in no way was that an easy catch.  

easy catch

[Philly McButterpants]

56 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I just thought the details were interesting. Torrence was lost on that fourth down play because he had been coached to anticipate a different blitz, and Rousseau kept surrendering the edge because he had been coached to anticipate something else when the Chiefs were in that formation. To me, it represents the difference among coaching staffs between responsible, situationally aware, and adaptive creativity and diligent, studious, and (unfortunately) rote memorization. 

This - the Bills showed up with their normal game plan and Chiefs threw all sorts of new looks at them. Their first drive? 9 plays, 90 yards, TD. Master class. Did the Bills adjust? sure, but where was the "when we line up like this, we're not gonna do that play?" We did exactly what KC watched on film all week. 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He should have made the tough catch.

But he also shouldn't have had to make the tough catch.

Had to? Yes….you have to make that catch if you want to go to the Superbowl. It’s no different than a guy who has to hit the penalty kick, make the three point buzzer beater, catch the fly ball at the wall. Everything else that happened in the game, or on that play, makes no difference if you catch the ball. Now, should Kincaid be crucified? Of course not. But it was the season-deciding play. 

[JP51]

40 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We scored 29 points on the road against a good defense in arrowhead. A place where refs were literally taking first downs away…we lost because the defense can’t stop anyone. That’s it. Zero grey area. As is the case every year, the offense did more then enough 

For way too long this is the case...  and If we go into next year with a cobbled Defense that has no game wrecker and passive schemes we will see the same result. 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Had to? Yes….you have to make that catch if you want to go to the Superbowl. It’s no different than a guy who has to hit the penalty kick, make the three point buzzer beater, catch the fly ball at the wall. Everything else that happened in the game, or on that play, makes no difference if you catch the ball. Now, should Kincaid be crucified? Of course not. But it was the season-deciding play. 

David Tyree didn't HAVE TO make that catch. But if they wanted to win the Super Bowl he did kind of have to make that catch

[Simon]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Had to? Yes….you have to make that catch if you want to go to the Superbowl.

 

I meant it shouldn't have been made into a tough catch in the first place.

If it's only 10 yrds off target, he handles it easily; having it be 15 yrds off target made it waaaaay harder than it had to be.

 

[90sBills]

50 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Two words for you: Skyy Moore. Another two: Cylde Edwards-Hilaire. They miss too. Mahomes and Reed just mask those busts.

For every Sky Moore they make up with a Rashee Rice and Xavior Worthy. Nobody hits all the time but they have definitely gotten their fair share in recent drafts. 

[PoundingDog]

You win some and you lose some are generally what happens, because both sides are guessing, to an extent. This is also why you don't want to get into a one play do-or-die situation. But if one side consistently guesses better than it is preparation. Belichick and Pats were that. and now Andy Reid and Spagnuolo are taking full advantage of their near 3 weeks off time to do that as well.

 

Maybe there is a tendency of Allen --- decision wise --- being identified (like showing one look and he may check into certain set of plays). Peyton Manning was like a coach on the field and even he struggled with the mastermind of Belichick for years. It also speaks of the well coached Chiefs team, like the Pats under Belichick, no one on the field gave away clues to Allen.

 

I can see one of the reasons McDermott wants to establish more running game is that it is far less complicated if you are able to run the ball, and I still believe that is the main deficiency of Brady's plan and call on Sunday, not adapting to using Cook early enough in the first quarter. And we don't have that stud WR/TE weapon that no matter what he's just better to make a play --- we all love that guy but I don't think that's going to change any time soon when you have pay Allen.

 

Defensively, the overall theme was Allen had far less time than Mahomes back there. Scheme aside, I just think we don't have enough talent compared to Chiefs' D because we did a whole bunch things to Mahomes as well. But our D line could not put enough quick pressure and our secondary couldn't cover their guys one-on-one (we tried enough man coverage there). As a result you see Mahomes generally had a much easier time moving the ball. I'd love to see more of the play like the Worthy catch/non-catch where Mahomes had to heave it up under pressure. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:26 PM by PoundingDog