What happened to DeWayne Carter and Solomon?

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, dorquemada said:

Beane loves him some underperfroming DL in the middle rounds.  High motor though!

Maybe Beane and his defensive scouts just flat out struggle to draft quality D guys early.  He's done better with offense but if he doesn't start landing some better D players,  this team will never get over the proverbial hump.

[Cray51]

3 hours ago, 4th&long said:

What about Coleman? He was useless the last 6-8 weeks or so. He had 3 catches maybe in the playoffs. Good thing we got him and not worthy. 

I'll be honest, I think after his injury due to the Poyer hit he looked a little less engaged.  Hopefully it's just a this year problem, but it is concerning

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

You guys that are bashing Coleman will be real sorry later. This is Josh Allen's draft pick. He needs an off season in the gym. Also heal up from some nagging injuries. 

If you bet against this guy, you will lose...

Well. I'd like to agree with you, but he didn't show me much during the season. There was a good discussion of him here a week ago or so.  I said he needs to get stronger and show some real fight for the ball. Gunner and others said he needs some training in his footwork and other things getting into and out of his breaks.  Whatever it is, he has to develop something that we didn't see this season.

[JP51]

3 hours ago, rajinka said:

Do you really think worthy in this offense would have looked different? 

Not a huge Worthy fan, I do see him as a bit more gadget than starter... but lack of deep speed was a thing this year for us... so yes I do believe it would have looked a bit different..  Like literally Mack Hollins was your deep threat.. unless you throw a 50/50 ball to Coleman. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

3 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

A guy they drafted in the 3rd round should not be inactive. It’s Very concerning 

In favor of street free agents, no less.

[SCBills]

Never really liked the Carter pick, but he was decent before his injury.  Seems he lost strength from that time off and never recovered.   Think he can, at least, be a serviceable DT4 next year. 

 

Solomon was a high ceiling pick in the middle rounds.  Might pop as a pass rush specialist next year, might wash out of the league.

 

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

3 hours ago, dorquemada said:

Beane loves him some underperfroming DL in the middle rounds.  High motor though!

High rounds, too!  Don't shortchange BBB!

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Oh we should all fear the Josh Allen picks, Kincaid was straight dominant too.  Maybe the GM should do his own damn job and draft the best talent, not appease the QB.  This is how you end up in the mess the Packers/Jets did.

I'd prefer that the scouting staff makes the picks, rather than Beane.

[Billz4ever]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

Both looked great in preseason, early season, and then it seemed regressed.  Carter looked like solid part of DL rotation, then got hurt.  After he returned, he was inactive.  Why?

 

Solomon looked like a find earlier.  But played awful in games late in season.

 

Have you seen flashes from either/or that makes you hopeful for our DLine going forward?

 

Do both make 2025 Bills roster?

I've got faith that Solomon will continue to get better.  The knock on him is he's short, but he's high motor with a great first step and can fly around the edge.  Because of his size, he can get swallowed up by a big OT who can stay ahead of him, but he is often able to compensate with his speed and bend.  Not really an every down edge rusher, but certainly worth having in there in passing situations in our rotation to create some pressure that has been missing from our front 4 so often.

[DapperCam]

3 hours ago, Brandon said:

 

Their skill sets are polar opposites.  I don't know if Worthy would have been successful on this team,  but his usage would absolutely have looked different.  The Bills needed separation and downfield speed to keep defenses honest much more than a guy that can catch a few jump balls over the course of a season.  They still do.  Maybe Coleman will break out next year,  but I'm definitely concerned after the way he played after the injury. 

 

That being said, I was 100% sold on McConkey with that pick rather than Worthy,  though I did like the latter as well. 

We had a guy like that in MVS and he barely got targets. And when he did either Allen missed him deep or MVS couldn’t track the ball.

 

We used Shakir for the quick man beater crossers, and he is better than Worthy anyway.

[Brandon]

Just now, DapperCam said:

We had a guy like that in MVS and he barely got targets. And when he did either Allen missed him deep or MVS couldn’t track the ball.

 

We used Shakir for the quick man beater crossers, and he is better than Worthy anyway.

 

The failure of the MVS experiment was a major reason they traded for Amari Cooper.  Unfortunately,  that didn't really work out,  either. 

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He did have a few splash plays which may have resulted from freelancing because he shot through gaps so fast.  But he mostly has looked pretty bad.  He was the one head-scratcher pick for me last draft, he’s old and maybe at his ceiling - I don’t have high hopes for him but he does have a high football character so who knows.

We need athletes.  This team lacks speed and explosive ability on defense.  

[SoMAn]

3 hours ago, Whkfc said:

Especially when you traded a guy to your arch enemy that crushed you in the championship game to get this guy that can't even get a jersey. Poor management all around.

Bills draft positions that benefitted Chiefs: Worthy, Mahomes, Araiza. And then the inability or lack of interest to move up a couple spots to grab McDuffie (and then wasted their pick on Elam).  Other than Allen, what do we have to show for all the wheeling and dealing? 

 

The Chiefs thanked us Sunday night, the best way they know how.  I hate them.

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he made a TFL in  game down by the goalline. One of those middle run games.... Titans maybe? 

I could be misremembering but I feel he played well in the Texans game. 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I could be misremembering but I feel he played well in the Texans game. 

 

A couple have mentioned that game, so I'll take it. It doesn't stand out in my mind, but the offense is where I was focussed that day. 

[WNYFAN1]

4 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

I sincerely hope you are right. Kincaid was an Allen pick as well. Now we know he was injured. How do you feel about his performance?

 I know the idea that Josh is picking players is partly a jest, but my goodness, the QB needs to stick to playing QB.

[Royale with Cheese]

I am concerned he isn’t stout enough and will get pushed around easily.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am concerned he isn’t stout enough and will get pushed around easily.

They are both undersized …. But that’s how they seem to like them 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

DT takes a long long time to develop.  Carter's best role is probably backing up Oliver at 3T.  Not even being active as a 3rd round pick is very disappointing but I don't really fault McD on this one. He went with veteran guys over a rookie coming off injury.  Seems like it would have made sense to give him some reps against Denver and if he did ok then keep him active.  But he never go the chance.  

 

The problem all year and for several years was minimal edge rush production.  If they can get 6-8 sacks out of Solomon that will be more than enough to get rid of Epenesa.  

[Ga boy]

4 hours ago, HOUSE said:

You guys that are bashing Coleman will be real sorry later. This is Josh Allen's draft pick. He needs an off season in the gym. Also heal up from some nagging injuries. 

If you bet against this guy, you will lose...

Thanks House.  I see something like Metcalf and maybe TO.

[rajinka]

4 hours ago, Brandon said:

 

Their skill sets are polar opposites.  I don't know if Worthy would have been successful on this team,  but his usage would absolutely have looked different.  The Bills needed separation and downfield speed to keep defenses honest much more than a guy that can catch a few jump balls over the course of a season.  They still do.  Maybe Coleman will break out next year,  but I'm definitely concerned after the way he played after the injury. 

 

That being said, I was 100% sold on McConkey with that pick rather than Worthy,  though I did like the latter as well. 

Their skill sets aside.  In this offense, the offense joe brady runs would it have made a difference? I don't think so.  I honestly think he'd have less numbers then coleman