Brandon Beane is on the clock….

[BillMafia716ix]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Notbing about the game changed anything about the worthy trade.  

He is nothing like Hill, people have to stop making this comparison.  

He’s not Tyreek Hill but we damn sure couldn’t stop him. You add Rashee Rice back to that WR core it going to make him even more deadly. Best believe Andy Reid will find new creative ways to get him the ball

[Ralonzo]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Most mocks I see have us taking DT, CB, DE first 3 picks.

Close.

 

Walter Football updated mock

30 OA (1): Malaki Starks, S, Georgia 

56 OA (2): Jack Sawyer, DE, Ohio State

62 OA (2): T.J. Sanders, DT, South Carolina

[Big Blitz]

9 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Beane isn’t on the clock, the hot seat or anything else.  
 

The truth is there is plenty of elite talent on this team, mostly drafted by Beane, and this team is one of the 2 or 3 best teams in football.  
 

Allen, Brown, Cook, Dawkins, T Johnson, Benford, are all elite at their positions and all were drafted by Beane.  Bernard, Torrence, and yes even Kincaid and Coleman are young good players still learning their crafts.  
 

Dumping on Beane for missing on Elam ignores the 4 other high end to elite starters from that draft class.  
 

I get why people are so sad and disappointed, but that doesn't change the fact that Beane is a great GM and has the Bills in a position to be just as good if not better next season.  

 

Sure.  He’s absolutely hit on a number of picks specifically Benford, Cook, Spencer Brown, and Shakir.  The class of 2017 is why we got to an elite team by 2020 and still are.  
 

What is also true is what has cost the Bills a SB between the 2022 - 2024 seasons are the following reasons: 

 

 

2020:

AJE round 2

Zach Moss round 3

Gabe Davis - not worth 2nd contract - sticking with him for 4 years cost us potentially ANY other WR option in the subsequent drafts.

 

2021:

Rousseau and then Boogie Basham in round 2 for some freaking reason

2022:

Elam in round 1

 

2023 - only 6 picks 

Kincaid round 1 - not good enough

 

2024:

Project WR Keon

Bishop round 2 - not a starter 

Carter round 3 - inactive 

Compare that to the Chiefs and Eagles.  

 

And I know we have Allen.  Who wouldn’t want to come to play in Buffalo?  I don’t think that’s still the slam dunk people think it is which makes hitting in the draft all the more vital.  
 

We had to grossly overpay for Von in a bidding war with Dallas.  JJ Watt chose low tax Arizona.  Hopkins went to low tax Tennessee.  We lucked out on Chandler Jones choosing Vegas.

Edited Tuesday at 12:48 PM by Big Blitz

[schoolhouserock]

This is the year to fix in the draft both the interior d-line and the defensive secondary.

 

The Bills need difference makers at both of those spots.

[Sharky7337]

15 hours ago, LifeLongBillsFan said:

If no one gets fired for another failed playoff run - nothing is going to change next year.

Beane misses evey year in the draft yet he returns year after year.

How come we have no probowl first round pick?

Beane is the champion meh picks

Ya I mean at some point when is there going to be accountability.

 

How many times can we rebuild and defensive line and get no results and no pressure.

 

How many times can a head coach with defensive expertise have a defense that fails in the playoffs to contain anyone.

 

Why is it going to be different this time?

 

The rams lost Aaron Donald and rebuilt their line with nobody picks and they got results.

 

I think the team over performed expectations absolutely, but the core issues have not changed.

Edited Tuesday at 02:01 PM by Sharky7337

[Neo]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

We are not KC’s arch nemesis.

 

We are the team they bully.

The logic still fails.   It’s the trade value that matters, not the team.

 

And I’d check your conclusion with the Chiefs.    If they don’t think we’re their top rival, I’d ask them who is.

[Bangarang]

14 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Need a good off-season to include young guys currently on the roster.  Coleman has to figure out how to use his body to get more separation.  Bishop looked pretty good and should start next to Rapp.  Carter and Solomon need to become assets on the D line.  Hardy needs to get off the practice squad and contribute at CB.  

 

Bishop looked pretty good? He was terrible and a total liability out on the field. 

[aristocrat]

Go all in on the offense. Emeka first round, Isaiah Bond second round. Let's make life easy for Josh. 

[JP51]

15 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

One thing about Worthy before you watch the Eagles shut him down - and let me make sure I’m clear - once Benford left coupled with no Rapp our SECONDARY IS GARBAGE not helped by ZERO PASS RUSH.  

 

Beane needs to find dudes on defense.  

Amen... losing Benford was really bad... not only because he is one of our best Defensive players but he was replaced by someone who really doesnt belong in the league... then to make up for it by an anemic pass rush... thats disaster... When you combine that with Rapp being out... who is not the greatest safety of all time but still our best... and you have Damar (who is a marginal NFLer as a starter) leading the 2ndary it gets really bad...

 

last thing... our DB injuries are the majority of the time self inflicted... Johnson, Rapp (multiple times) Douglas, Hamiln... even Bernard as a LB were all the result of out of position DBs... running around like Keystone Cop missiles maiming each other... that has got to stop... 

14 hours ago, <bills4life> said:

Ladd mckonkey all day long. And it really wasn’t that hard to see. 

Yes

[GASabresIUFan]

53 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Sure.  He’s absolutely hit on a number of picks specifically Benford, Cook, Spencer Brown, and Shakir.  The class of 2017 is why we got to an elite team by 2020 and still are.  
 

What is also true is what has cost the Bills a SB between the 2022 - 2024 seasons are the following reasons: 

 

 

2020:

AJE round 2

Zach Moss round 3

Gabe Davis - not worth 2nd contract - sticking with him for 4 years cost us potentially ANY other WR option in the subsequent drafts.

 

2021:

Rousseau and then Boogie Basham in round 2 for some freaking reason

2022:

Elam in round 1

 

2023 - only 6 picks 

Kincaid round 1 - not good enough

 

2024:

Project WR Keon

Bishop round 2 - not a starter 

Carter round 3 - inactive 

Compare that to the Chiefs and Eagles.  

 

And I know we have Allen.  Who wouldn’t want to come to play in Buffalo?  I don’t think that’s still the slam dunk people think it is which makes hitting in the draft all the more vital.  
 

We had to grossly overpay for Von in a bidding war with Dallas.  JJ Watt chose low tax Arizona.  Hopkins went to low tax Tennessee.  We lucked out on Chandler Jones choosing Vegas.

lol.  Did you know Philly’s top picks the last 5 years were 21, 10, 13, 9 & 22.  The Bills 54, 30, 23, 25 & 33.  Not exactly an apple to apples comparison.  
 

Your augment loses all merit when you complain about a rookie 3rd rd draft pick not making a difference as a rookie or that a rookie 2nd pick isn’t an immediate starter.  That’s not how  drafting and developing works.  Just look at the progress Brown, Shakir and Cook have made from being limited rookies to stardom.  
 

Furthermore, when you have one of the top 2-3 teams in football and it was built primarily through the draft, the GM has done his job.  

 

That is not to say there haven’t been bad choices.  Of course there have.  We can do the same exercise with Philly and come up with just as many poor picks, such as nearly all their picks in 2023 after the 1st rd.  
 

Nothing you complained about cost us a Super Bowl.  Coaching decisions have hurt us, poor execution has hurt us, but sometimes the other team is just better.  
 

This last loss stings.  I’m right there with you, but this team is setup for continued success because we have drafted very well in recent years.  

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Bishop looked pretty good? He was terrible and a total liability out on the field. 

No he wasn't.   He has stuff to learn certainly as most rookies do. This is just more emotional irrationality after a tough loss. 

[Bullfrog]

It won't matter what he gets as long as the refs keep manipulating games imo.

 

[Mr. WEO]

every year, midweek after this annual exit, we hear about Beane's clock or hot seat.

 

I don't believe it exists.  Pegula is never firing these guys.   Great regular seasons goose merch sales, increase national branding and incrementally increase ratings, which is crucial for all owners as network contracts get renegotiated.

 

I really don't think they care about the annual playoff bounce by the Chiefs with these two.  The Bills are making more money for their owners than ever 2023 est revenue half a billion dollars).  My guess is they would take endless 12+ win seasons with never a SB appearance than hire a new crew and possibly get stuck in 8-9 win purgatory.  

 

Keeping them and the status quo is an easy business decision for them.  Getting close every year but never winning the AFCC---why Pegula care any more than Rooney or Biscioti.  Both are clearly comfortable with winning seasons and inevitable playoff exits.  Tomlin won a SB 16 years ago (with a SB roster handed to him). Since his HOF QB left, he has trotted out Mitch Trubisky, Kenny Picket (he drafted this guy), Mason Rudolph....until he settled on Justin Fields, no, wait, Russ Wilson---another one-and-done WC exit!  lol.  No one cares in that FO!

 

Harbaugh won a SB 12 years ago (seems like a million) he has 2 (3?) time MVP (now Dereck Henry)---yet he's 3-5 since he drafted Lamar.

 

Neither coach is going anywhere.  That's the NFL.  Fans have a lot of hope and short memories---owners make money off of that.  No playoffs again?  No SB to cap off a great season?  Next year baby!!

 

From "Mr. Rooney"

 

"When you look at how many games Mike has won in this league, you don't win that many games if you're not a good coach," Rooney said, via ESPN's Brooke Pryor. "And I know he's frustrated like we all are in terms of not being able to take that next step, but we still feel good about him being the leader and still think he has the strengths that he always had in terms of being able to lead a team.  "The other side of the coin is when you look at the fact that we have six, seven, eight teams a year that turn their coaches over. When you have a good coach, you just try to keep building with them."

 

lol exactly what is Tomlin or Rooney "building" while running their Offense through those bums I listed above over the past 3 seasons?

 

No Steelers fan would believe Rooney here but there's nothing they can do.  

 

 

 

[Bangarang]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No he wasn't.   He has stuff to learn certainly as most rookies do. This is just more emotional irrationality after a tough loss. 

 

No, it's the reality of how he was on the field.  Bishop was not good and you thinking that he was is laughable. Maybe he improves but to blindly say he was good and should be a starter next year is objectively wrong and premature. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

When I say this it will sound impossible and like a joke but Im not kidding. Get creative and at this point, I don’t care about late first round draft picks. Find a way to get Garret AND Crosby. That’s how we overcome this horrendous HC and his scheme. 2 game changers that even he can’t mess up. Skimp and move money, sacrifice the future. Go get both. We have plenty of cheap guys to fill in. Make 1 run

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

No, it's the reality of how he was on the field.  Bishop was not good and you thinking that he was is laughable. Maybe he improves but to blindly say he was good and should be a starter next year is objectively wrong and premature. 

He and Rapp will likely be starters.  You know that.  

[Bangarang]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

He and Rapp will likely be starters.  You know that.  

 

No, I don't know that and neither do you. Bishop will certainly be given an opportunity to earn the role though. 

[Mat68]

I have Coleman step into Hollins role.  Coleman as a power slot is his ideal position.  Buffalo needs to add some outside speed and the offense is pretty set.  Defense needs Dline and secondary help.  I expect those to be the 2 of the 3 early picks.  Beane has some cap and draft capital to reshape the roster even more.   

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

No, I don't know that and neither do you. Bishop will certainly be given an opportunity to earn the role though. 

I said likely, correct?  I suspect we are going to look CB more than safety in the draft, especially given what happened with Benford on Sunday.  

 

I envision we will use free agency or trade to go after either a big time DE, WR (or both).  Dt is supposed to be deep in this draft, so I see us going there.  I heard something interesting this morning about the Chiefs.  They said that because of Mahomes and his excellence they were able to go more on defense and build that side of the ball, knowing that with Moahomes (and Kelce) he can make average offensive guys better.  Wonder if Beane thinks the same about Josh.   Regardless clearly Beane has to hit on guys this offseason.

9 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I have Coleman step into Hollins role.  Coleman as a power slot is his ideal position.  Buffalo needs to add some outside speed and the offense is pretty set.  Defense needs Dline and secondary help.  I expect those to be the 2 of the 3 early picks.  Beane has some cap and draft capital to reshape the roster even more.   

I think Hollins is a definite resign.  Made some big plays on offense an special teams and is a fixture in the locker room.

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

I said likely, correct?  I suspect we are going to look CB more than safety in the draft, especially given what happened with Benford on Sunday.  

 

I envision we will use free agency or trade to go after either a big time DE, WR (or both).  Dt is supposed to be deep in this draft, so I see us going there.  I heard something interesting this morning about the Chiefs.  They said that because of Mahomes and his excellence they were able to go more on defense and build that side of the ball, knowing that with Moahomes (and Kelce) he can make average offensive guys better.  Wonder if Beane thinks the same about Josh.   Regardless clearly Beane has to hit on guys this offseason.

I think Hollins is a definite resign.  Made some big plays on offense an special teams and is a fixture in the locker room.

I think Hollins is what he is.  For the right money sure but I wouldn’t plan on Hollins replicating his career year.  Coleman has the size and better after the catch.  I think he would be different player in that role.  Unlocks more potential.