Kurt Warner breaks down the 4th down. Allen error?

[GunnerBill]

Josh admitted last night he made the wrong protection call. 

 

He also got himself out of it if a first round pick could catch.

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It was a brilliant defensive call

This reluctance to give anyone on the other team credit defies logic and indicates a clear lack of understanding of the game and the meaning of sportsmanship. Spagnola lives and dies with his blitz pressure and he certainly has the personnel to execute it but even still, Josh outsmarted him on a few occasions last night. The TD pass to Samuel is one example. 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s just bugging me today because there’s absolutely no reason to slide protection to the left. 
 

The play is driving me crazy. It’s worse than 13 seconds. 

Torrence talked about it today.  Based on film study they expected pressure coming from the left and protection was moved to the left.  And Spagnolo fooled them and brought pressure from the right.  
 

Sometimes it is not what you did wrong but what the other guy did right.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

16 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

So he did one thing most of the game and changed the tendency late game. Apparently our coaches aren't capable of preparing for it or doing that themselves...sigh

 

By the time you see the formation coaches can't tell them what to do at that point, microphone is cut off. Players on the  field need to figure it out.

[Sojourner]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

Josh admitted last night he made the wrong protection call. 

 

He also got himself out of it if a first round pick could catch.

Exactly. It’s on Josh 100% for his error but he wildly enough still made the improbable play to atone for that error. 
 

What’s harder? The throw Josh made with 3 Chiefs in his face or the catch that hits you right in the arms? 

[HappyDays]

Why are we thinking the outcome is any different even if the protection call is better? All year long Kincaid has overrun his zone window and put himself in poor position to make a catch. And he has an 8% drop rate. He's not the player you want on the other end of a crucial 4th down in the AFCCG, even if everything else works the way it's supposed to.

[Sojourner]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Torrence talked about it today.  Based on film study they expected pressure coming from the left and protection was moved to the left.  And Spagnolo fooled them and brought pressure from the right.  
 

Sometimes it is not what you did wrong but what the other guy did right.

I hate saying it as they have our number again but the short yardage defense and the well executed blitzes were really the difference in this game. They made some great adjustments to what we gave them on top. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

All this talk about protection left or right makes no sense to me.  Had they had the right protection called and Allen threw the ball to Kincaid that he dropped they'd be talking about protection?  

 

The bottom line is Josh beat the blitz and the receiver dropped the ball.

This was such a funny situation cuz if we slid the protection correctly it looked like it might be a long td from the angle I saw which ironically would’ve probably lost us the game and the absolute mess that play turned into would’ve picked up the first and allowed us to kill some clock which probably would’ve won us the game 😂

 

looked like Kincaid was gone if josh could’ve stepped into that 

[harmonkillebrew]

So many issues here with protection on this play and Ty not doing the sight adjust to make himself available as a hot once his CB blitzes.

Josh did all he could, that guy Torrence was supposed to block was on him in no time before he could even flip his body around and toss to Shakir.  And Josh still almost made the amazing pass to Kincaid by avoiding the two blitzers, but Brown couldn't hold his block on Karlaftis who affected the throw and put Josh on his back.

And yet still, Kincaid should have caught it.

 

Makes you wonder about the coaching. but man Josh gives us a chance on every play. He needs more guys around him to step up. 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Torrence talked about it today.  Based on film study they expected pressure coming from the left and protection was moved to the left.  And Spagnolo fooled them and brought pressure from the right.  
 

Sometimes it is not what you did wrong but what the other guy did right.

I don’t believe he said that. He said they showed it but never came.

 

That’s not a good excuse either. You’re always prepared. Especially in that moment.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Why are we thinking the outcome is any different even if the protection call is better? All year long Kincaid has overrun his zone window and put himself in poor position to make a catch. And he has an 8% drop rate. He's not the player you want on the other end of a crucial 4th down in the AFCCG, even if everything else works the way it's supposed to.

Looked like he was straight up wide open for a huge gain if Josh could step into it. 

Edited Monday at 10:18 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Exactly. It’s on Josh 100% for his error but he wildly enough still made the improbable play to atone for that error. 
 

What’s harder? The throw Josh made with 3 Chiefs in his face or the catch that hits you right in the arms? 

it's about making plays

 

Spagnuolo made a great playcall, Allen beat it w an even better play. Kincaid can't finish the catch

 

you have got to make the play. it's the biggest moment of the season. just make the play. the reason we're not talking about Mahomes messing up a protection read is because his lob into double coverage got ripped away from Bishop by Worthy.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t believe he said that. He said they showed it but never came.

 

That’s not a good excuse either. You’re always prepared. Especially in that moment.

 

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t believe he said that. He said they showed it but never came.

 

That’s not a good excuse either. You’re always prepared. Especially in that moment.

Don’t really care if you believe it or not.  Both Josh and Torrence said  they expected the pressure from the left and adjusted protection to account for it.  Then Spags made a brilliant call to bring two guys on the blitz from the opposite side.  Shakir would have been the hot read but that didn’t become possible based on how the play evolved.  Josh made an incredible play to get the ball out as far as he did, and Kincaid has to catch that ball.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

it's about making plays

 

Spagnuolo made a great playcall, Allen beat it w an even better play. Kincaid can't finish the catch

 

you have got to make the play. it's the biggest moment of the season. just make the play. the reason we're not talking about Mahomes messing up a protection read is because his lob into double coverage got ripped away from Bishop by Worthy.

Allen made an unbelievable play only he can make. But it’s about fundamentals of football and execution. This is why we haven’t beaten the Chiefs. In these moments we don’t execute.

 

Goes back to not squib kicking. There’s always these little things that turn into big things. 

 

[Billz4ever]

9 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

I hate saying it as they have our number again but the short yardage defense and the well executed blitzes were really the difference in this game. They made some great adjustments to what we gave them on top. 

 

And that's what makes it even more amazing that we were in a position to win the game despite being outcoached basically from the opening kickoff.

[Sweats]

I know it was a tough ask with so much pressure being in his face, but if JA would have just looked immediately to his left, he had Shakir wide open with miles of daylight in the flat........easily enough for the 1st down anyways.

 

I would trust the ball more with Shakir making a play than Kincaid, that's for sure.

[Billz4ever]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This was such a funny situation cuz if we slid the protection correctly it looked like it might be a long td from the angle I saw which ironically would’ve probably lost us the game and the absolute mess that play turned into would’ve picked up the first and allowed us to kill some clock which probably would’ve won us the game 😂

 

looked like Kincaid was gone if josh could’ve stepped into that 

Yeah, a quick score there wouldn't have been desirable, but I'd take it if the defense gave it, but had Kincaid made that catch, we're almost guaranteed at least OT, which isn't a great option either, or we keep driving and score with almost no time left, which would've been the best outcome.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen made an unbelievable play only he can make. But it’s about fundamentals of football and execution. This is why we haven’t beaten the Chiefs. In these moments we don’t execute.

 

Goes back to not squib kicking. There’s always these little things that turn into big things. 

 

hard hard disagree

 

nothing short of extraordinary is going to get this team past the Chiefs to a Super Bowl. and unfortunately only Allen is capable of that

 

Brady could have called a better play, but he failed. Torrence or Brown could have picked up their guy for a half second but they failed. Allen could have called the shift but he won anyway. because he is extraordinary. and remains the only one capable of such plays.

 

the end result is a pass hitting kincaid in both hands. don't want to hear about execution. execution is catching a pass after your QB manages to win a rep vs the best defensive playcall of the year

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

Don’t really care if you believe it or not.  Both Josh and Torrence said  they expected the pressure from the left and adjusted protection to account for it.  Then Spags made a brilliant call to bring two guys on the blitz from the opposite side.  Shakir would have been the hot read but that didn’t become possible based on how the play evolved.  Josh made an incredible play to get the ball out as far as he did, and Kincaid has to catch that ball.

There wasn’t anyone on the left to come. The numbers were to the right. But they thought they were bluffing. Now maybe he slid it to Chris Jones. That’s actually my guess. Chris Jones is the guy you want extra attention to. So they ignore the pressure look and thought KC was bluffing.

 

Thats just unacceptable to me. Allen is going to think about it all offseason.

[Einstein]

37 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

this was addressed by one of the players that they were faking this earlier in the game, so you had to decide if they were faking again or telling the truth.

 

Yeah, this has been talked about all day.

 

Spags showed that look all game long and never blitzed from the right. The offense had no reason to believe he would.

 

Had we slid right and and he didn’t blitz right (like he hadn’t all game), then the left side would have been open.

 

But the real problem here is Torrence and Brown. Torrence let 2 rushers go past him without laying a finger on either one.

 

Even if you guess wrong on a protection, if Torrence can block just ONE GUY, then Allen can evade the other.

 

OP knows this but is on an anti-Allen crusade.