Kurt Warner breaks down the 4th down. Allen error?

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

From that angle it’s just hard to understand why Kincaid did not make a stronger play on the ball.  Additionally a hell of a throw from Josh under the circumstances.  Kincaid could have lived up to his half of “great players make great plays in big moments.”

 

 

He's running to where the ball is supposed to be, exactly like he was supposed to.

Unfortunately it was short and inside by a full 15 yrds.

[Man with No Name]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

He's running to where the ball is supposed to be, exactly like he was supposed to.

Unfortunately it was short and inside by a full 15 yrds.

should he have some ability to recognize that a blitz actually happened and adjust to not running his full route? Ive never been an NFL receiver in the middle of a play. Are these guys completely unaware of what's happening at the LOS? 

It's is what it is. He doesn't have the combination of body control and hand eye coordination to catch a ball when he has to make a major adjustment. That's just something that separates him from the kind of player who can. 

[Scott7975]

On 1/27/2025 at 5:04 PM, MJS said:

I think Warner is using hindsight.

 

Kurt Warner without hindsight

 

 

[Simon]

22 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

should he have some ability to recognize that a blitz actually happened and adjust to not running his full route?

 

He was running right to the zone that had been vacated due to the corner blitz; it was 100% the right route.

If not for the blown protection, Allen would have had time to drop it on him with a ton of room to run.

[Goin Breakdown]

On 1/27/2025 at 4:46 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh said he slid protection left. Warner says you should slide it right. 

 

Did Josh mess up? Did Spencer Brown mess up? If they slid left like Allen says then Brown blocked the wrong rusher.

 

 

Great breakdown. Basically unprepared for the moment. Brady got schooled. And McD got a little

example of what a real defensive guru looks like. "You mean you don't have to give a 10 yard cushion when a team needs only 5yards ?" 

Edited Tuesday at 10:30 PM by Goin Breakdown

[Motorin']

10 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

kurt warner has no idea what its like to play inside the body of Josh allen. Josh allen wouldn't be josh allen if he played the way Kurt warner played. Was Josh Allen the least sacked qb in the nfl this year? I think he's just confident in his own way of playing the game. And it could have worked out. SHould have? maybe

 

Warner completely has a point about the Bills not utilizing sight checks on hot blitzes. 

 

The receiver to the right needs to know if his corner blitzes that the only person that can cover him is 10-12 yards down field and 3-4 yards inside. That means he sprints to the sticks at the side line and he's wide open for the easiest pitch and catch of the day.  

Edited Tuesday at 10:32 PM by Motorin'

[Scott7975]

22 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Kurt Warner's viewpoint demands more respect that the fan Fitz is replying to. But the sentiment remains the same:

 

 

 

I was going to post this but since you did... people should click on it because its a bunch of tweets in the thread with good info.

[Punch]

This is an interesting take on how well disguised the CB was:

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

rg3 weighs in

 

 

[MJS]

35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

rg3 weighs in

 

Pure hindsight from RG3. They didn't know the corner was blitzing. It was well disguised. So how could Allen adjust protections to pick up a blitzer he didn't know about?

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Pure hindsight from RG3. They didn't know the corner was blitzing. It was well disguised. So how could Allen adjust protections to pick up a blitzer he didn't know about?

i don't know lol

 

it's weird to me that all of a sudden it's en vogue to blame the QB for a blitz getting thru...it happens all the time.

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i don't know lol

 

it's weird to me that all of a sudden it's en vogue to blame the QB for a blitz getting thru...it happens all the time.

It was just a great defensive call. They apparently show pressure from one side and blitz from the other, so the Bills got used to sliding protection to the opposite side of where they are showing pressure, and this time the Chiefs did the opposite. Spags set them up all game for that. It would have been nice to see the Bills be ready for something sneaky in such a key situation, though. Maybe don't slide protection at all there and play them straight up. That would have been better.

58 minutes ago, Punch said:

This is an interesting take on how well disguised the CB was:

 

What Schwartz doesn't know is that the Bills did identify all that, but slid protection away because the Chiefs often fake it and pressure from the opposite side.

[GoBills808]

Just now, MJS said:

It was just a great defensive call. They apparently show pressure from one side and blitz from the other, so the Bills got used to sliding protection to the opposite side of where they are showing pressure, and this time the Chiefs did the opposite. Spags set them up all game for that. It would have been nice to see the Bills be ready for something sneaky in such a key situation, though. Maybe don't slide protection at all there and play them straight up. That would have been better.

or not go empty there

 

you may not know where it's coming from but it seems pretty obvious they're bringing pressure when you go empty

 

like why is ty johnson lined up outside lol

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

or not go empty there

 

you may not know where it's coming from but it seems pretty obvious they're bringing pressure when you go empty

 

like why is ty johnson lined up outside lol

They were trying to get their 4 by 1 set that they have been dominating all year with. 4 targets on one side which causes a lot of stress on the defense. But getting quick pressure is a counter to basically everything.

 

Maybe set up a screen on both sides and throw it to the side they blitz from.

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

From that angle it’s just hard to understand why Kincaid did not make a stronger play on the ball.  Additionally a hell of a throw from Josh under the circumstances.  Kincaid could have lived up to his half of “great players make great plays in big moments.”

 

Thanks for sharing. Every angle reveals something new. This one shows how open Shakir was on the far side. I have little doubt he wouldn’t have easily made the first down. It’s the risk the defense takes when they blitz. With that said, throwing back across his body into the left hand flat would’ve required a super human effort. So Josh throws it to a WIDE OPEN tight end who’s completely uncovered on the play. If this was any other play in the course of a long season we’d just accept the reception, take the first down, and move on. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, MJS said:

They were trying to get their 4 by 1 set that they have been dominating all year with. 4 targets on one side which causes a lot of stress on the defense. But getting quick pressure is a counter to basically everything.

 

Maybe set up a screen on both sides and throw it to the side they blitz from.

you can still get there w Johnson lined up in the backfield, we've done it a lot

 

end of the day we went w 5 blockers vs front showing 6 rushers. like to me that is a zero look

[Sojourner]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

They were trying to get their 4 by 1 set that they have been dominating all year with. 4 targets on one side which causes a lot of stress on the defense. But getting quick pressure is a counter to basically everything.

 

Maybe set up a screen on both sides and throw it to the side they blitz from.

They did that the play before and it ended up to cooper for 5 yards. 
 

Should have had the extra blocker just in case, have him on a delay route with an option built in. 
 

The fact you’re going empty against a team that runs blitzes with no really quick hitters on a crucial 4th down is absolutely wild. 
 

Definite example of inexperience in Joe Brady. 

[Billz4ever]

24 minutes ago, MJS said:

Pure hindsight from RG3. They didn't know the corner was blitzing. It was well disguised. So how could Allen adjust protections to pick up a blitzer he didn't know about?

 

I'll never understand the logic that says a protection miscue is somehow worse than a receiver dropping a ball that hits him in the hands.  Makes no sense.  The protection problem isn't what cause the turnover on downs. The ball hitting the ground because the receiver didn't catch it did.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

They did that the play before and it ended up to cooper for 5 yards. 
 

Should have had the extra blocker just in case, have him on a delay route with an option built in. 
 

The fact you’re going empty against a team that runs blitzes with no really quick hitters on a crucial 4th down is absolutely wild. 
 

Definite example of inexperience in Joe Brady. 

yeah you go empty on 4th and 5 knowing pressure's coming from somewhere and you run slow to develop crossers w Johnson+Cooper...Shakir on the orbit is going to have to beat 2 guys playing zone w eyes in the backfield plus catching the ball 10yards behind LOS

 

it was just doomed from the start imo

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The protection problem isn't what cause the turnover on downs. The ball hitting the ground because the receiver didn't catch it did.

 

The protection problem was what caused the throw to be 15 yrds off target and forced Kincaid to have to reverse field and dive for it.

That might have had something to do with the drop.