Buffalo_Stampede Posted Tuesday at 12:37 AM Author Posted Tuesday at 12:37 AM 4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: And in the end, Kincaid dropped the ball, which could've happened had the protection been perfect. It's largely irrelevant. If a ball hits a receiver in the hands, the last thing I'm worried about was the protection called on the play. Allen beat the blitz like he's done countless times and got the throw off. The ball was thrown to a spot where an NFL receiver should've been able to make a play. He didn't. End of story. Who needs protection calls anyways, am I right? Let’s just never practice and have Josh run around and make Superman plays all game. 1 1 Quote
TheBrownBear Posted Tuesday at 12:42 AM Posted Tuesday at 12:42 AM 48 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't agree with that all. It's zone and his zone is completely vacated. He needs to stop running about 5 yards before he does. Where is he running to? Then he needs to see the ball in the air and track it like a punt. He runs himself out of the play, fails to track the ball properly, then makes an awkward attempt to make up for it and can't finish the catch that he made more difficult for himself. It's wild, because from that fan's video, you can clearly see the ball in the air and Kincaid still runs an additional 7-8 yards before attempting to stop and adjust for the ball. The only thing I can think of is that the ball moved quite a ways horizontally while in the air. I think it was more that Kincaid was fooled than anything to do with poor instincts or lack of effort. Like trying to catch a knuckleball. 1 Quote
Mark Vader Posted Tuesday at 12:45 AM Posted Tuesday at 12:45 AM 2 hours ago, Sweats said: I know it was a tough ask with so much pressure being in his face, but if JA would have just looked immediately to his left, he had Shakir wide open with miles of daylight in the flat........easily enough for the 1st down anyways. I would trust the ball more with Shakir making a play than Kincaid, that's for sure. I get what you are saying, but that would've been a tough play for Allen to make. He had defenders coming at him immediately. Had the play been meant for Shakir from the start, it could have worked. Yet, it doesn't look like that was the plan. Quote
Billz4ever Posted Tuesday at 12:46 AM Posted Tuesday at 12:46 AM 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who needs protection calls anyways, am I right? Let’s just never practice and have Josh run around and make Superman plays all game. I swear you're focused on the weirdest things. You act like Kincaid didn't actually drop a ball he 100% should've caught that would've moved the chains and put us in FG range with over a minute to go with timeouts in-hand. 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted Tuesday at 12:49 AM Posted Tuesday at 12:49 AM 2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: The way to beat that jailbreak in protection was to have a check down. That's on Brady not Josh And yet Josh threw it right into the hands of our First Round draft pick Tight End….who proceeded to let the ball go right through his arms. That’s NOT on Josh! It just isn’t. 1 1 Quote
HomeTeam Posted Tuesday at 12:56 AM Posted Tuesday at 12:56 AM Good analysis. The Chiefs knew our tendencies, whether we like to qb sneak to the left side or that Josh is more comfortable rolling to his right. Our gameplan was too predictable. You have to have counters knowing that they ar going to stop what you've been doing all year. The lack of in game adjustments was frustrating. The coaches have to be better and and Josh needs to be better. He took another step this year but I feel like there is more left in the tank for him especially his pre-snap reads. I hate to ask more of Josh because he does so much already. Quote
ShakAttack Posted Tuesday at 12:58 AM Posted Tuesday at 12:58 AM 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The play is driving me crazy. It’s worse than 13 seconds. It's always something with our team vs. the Chiefs. That's what is driving me crazy. That's why the botched call on 4th and inches was so important. We were already up and driving for another score. With our history of late game mishaps vs. KC, we NEEDED to be the team in the driver seat, with them chasing us, and not the other way around. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted Tuesday at 01:01 AM Author Posted Tuesday at 01:01 AM 13 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I swear you're focused on the weirdest things. You act like Kincaid didn't actually drop a ball he 100% should've caught that would've moved the chains and put us in FG range with over a minute to go with timeouts in-hand. Well the thread is a discussion on the protection breakdown. Quote
london_bills Posted Tuesday at 01:05 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:05 AM 2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: The way to beat that jailbreak in protection was to have a check down. That's on Brady not Josh Was shakir not the check down? Quote
HomeTeam Posted Tuesday at 01:06 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:06 AM 2 hours ago, Sweats said: I know it was a tough ask with so much pressure being in his face, but if JA would have just looked immediately to his left, he had Shakir wide open with miles of daylight in the flat........easily enough for the 1st down anyways. I would trust the ball more with Shakir making a play than Kincaid, that's for sure. As soon as he started rolling right, the play became really difficult, as you essentially cut the field in half. Josh has a tendency to roll right and the Chiefs knew that. The offensive play calling especially for the passing game left a lot to be desired. Not enough play action. They dared us to challenge them outside and we ran right into the teeth of the defense. You have an MVP level quarterback and your calling na gameplan like you have a game manager QB. it's rather puzzling. Despite all the poor play calling, and poor refereeing, this game was there to be had in the final moments. Sad. Quote
Chicken Boo Posted Tuesday at 01:12 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:12 AM 3 hours ago, Billz4ever said: So your knock is they made an educated guess based on what they saw all game and chose wrong? Josh might have a cape, but he doesn't have a crystal ball. And they basically had a 50/50 chance on getting it right and Josh still beat the blitz and put a very catchable ball where only his receiver could get it. Warner explains, and very well, why protection should have slid right with the 2 hot reads as his options. Quote
Best Williams Available Posted Tuesday at 01:14 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:14 AM 49 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bingo! When KC didn’t show man I’m calling timeout. I don’t like what could happen. I didn’t hear the Torrence comment that was posted about them bluffing that blitz all game but you can’t believe they will bluff on 4th down. This is the game. Yes a TO and new play but then Spags goes man to man and ruins that one too. Point is our coaches and QB are not on the level to predict what KC does effectively and constantly walk into traps. The only way to combat it is get more talented than them at key positions. That’s how Josh beats KC in the regular season—he out talents the right defensive call. Quote
Billz4ever Posted Tuesday at 01:16 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:16 AM 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Well the thread is a discussion on the protection breakdown. You think Ravens fans are focused on anything that happened on the failed 2 pt try except the Andrews drop? 4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Warner explains, and very well, why protection should have slid right with the 2 hot reads as his options. And Torrence explained why they had it left. If Josh had the protection to the right and the blitz had instead come from the left like it had before, are we still doing this? Kincaid dropped the ball. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted Tuesday at 01:22 AM Author Posted Tuesday at 01:22 AM (edited) 7 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: You think Ravens fans are focused on anything that happened on the failed 2 pt try except the Andrews drop? And Torrence explained why they had it left. If Josh had the protection to the right and the blitz had instead come from the left like it had before, are we still doing this? Kincaid dropped the ball. Did you know QBs call protections before tonight? Josh has gotten very good at protections and checks. Edited Tuesday at 01:24 AM by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
Einstein Posted Tuesday at 01:23 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:23 AM 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Thats not how it works. There are hots built into for this stuff. You set protection and you have your hots if they do come. There are no hots on that mesh scheme. It would literally ruin the entire play (which a pick) for one player to alter his route to be the hot. There is a built-in check down, but Allen had no way to throw it there and even if he did, it would have been blown up. 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There is no way Joe Brady designed the play this way. It’s exactly how Brady drew it up. We have run that play numerous times this year. Quote
Chicken Boo Posted Tuesday at 01:24 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:24 AM (edited) 8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: And Torrence explained why they had it left. If Josh had the protection to the right and the blitz had instead come from the left like it had before, are we still doing this? If they had done like Warner explained, it would have been best case scenario even if the blitz had come from the left. The whole point is that the team should have been better prepared to take the best course of action which would have been to slide protection to the right. Torrence isn't helping their case with his assessment. It's understandable why they did it, but it wasn't correct. A Hall of Fame, former league MVP and Superbowl winning QB is explaining why it was the wrong call. Edited Tuesday at 01:25 AM by Chicken Boo Quote
Einstein Posted Tuesday at 01:27 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:27 AM 19 minutes ago, london_bills said: Was shakir not the check down? He was. And he would have been blown up by the 3 Chiefs defenders they had guarding the first down line. Spags knew exactly what play we were running. Likely because we ran the same play half a dozen times this year in similar situations. Knowing our play, he called the perfect defense to stop it. And Allen STILL beat that perfect defense by getting the ball to Kincaid… who dropped it. 2 Quote
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted Tuesday at 01:29 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:29 AM I mean whether he did or didn’t make the right pre snap read is completely irrelevant when he still delivered a very catchable ball at the most important spot of the entire season, under duress… Josh made an error, quickly corrected it, and his teammates let him down, again. 1 Quote
Billz4ever Posted Tuesday at 01:30 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:30 AM 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Did you know QBs call protections before tonight? Josh has gotten very good at protections and checks. Yep, and as Torrence said they kept it left based on what the Defense was showing the rest of the night. Kincaid dropped the ball. 2 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted Tuesday at 01:30 AM Author Posted Tuesday at 01:30 AM Our RG blocked nobody and the QB got drilled because of it on 4th down that cost us the game. As some that loves to talk X and O’s, this is driving me insane today. Quote
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