Josh Allen complaints

[NewEra]

On 1/28/2025 at 12:50 PM, DrBob806 said:

JA is great, but you may have missed Steve Young or Michael Vick.

You think Steve young is more athletically gifted?  I don’t.  

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You think Steve young is more athletically gifted?  I don’t.  

I would give the edge to Allen because of his size and arm but Young was amazing. He would even better in this era where running qbs were more encouraged and you don’t take the pounding like they did in his day. 

On 1/28/2025 at 2:50 PM, DrBob806 said:

JA is great, but you may have missed Steve Young or Michael Vick.

Cunnnngham played with garbage in Philly. He would be a monster in today’s nfl 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would give the edge to Allen because of his size and arm but Young was amazing. He would even better in this era where running qbs were more encouraged and you don’t take the pounding like they did in his day. 

Cunnnngham played with garbage in Philly. He would be a monster in today’s nfl 

For sure- young was amazing.  I just don’t think he’s as athletically gifted as 17

[C.Biscuit97]

12 minutes ago, colin said:

allen was off on more throws than i would expect, he was yippy and excited.

 

if you replace allen on that team with any other qb in the nfl, including mahomes, you still lose and almost certainly by more.  

 

 

Bills fans love dismissing Mahomes’ greatness. Been that way since he threw an INT in training camp, 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would give the edge to Allen because of his size and arm but Young was amazing. He would even better in this era where running qbs were more encouraged and you don’t take the pounding like they did in his day. 

Cunnnngham played with garbage in Philly. He would be a monster in today’s nfl 

cunningham is in todays nfl his name is Jayden Daniels

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

For sure- young was amazing.  I just don’t think he’s as athletically gifted as 17

Allen is a freak. I’d say him and Newton are the two biggest freaks who are good to play the position (Joe Milton is a freak but he is wild as hell). 
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm

young’s numbers for that era are stupid good. He is a very mobile , tougher Tua. 

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

cunningham is in todays nfl his name is Jayden Daniels

Or is it Josh Allen? 🧐

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

I wouldn’t say ‘folded’ or ‘choked’. But he does get tight in big games and big moments, especially against KC. He hasn’t been comfortable in those situations since 13 sec.

 

Not performing optimally under pressure is where he’s behind Mahomes. Maybe a sports therapist could help.

 

 

 

Yes, folded or choked is too much. He did neither. But he did come out tight, as you say - it only lasted consistently through the first drive, but did have an impact on the game.

 

This is another issue where we're saying the same thing before, as I'm sure a sports therapist has been mentioned previously when it comes to Josh. Though that throw at the end... if Kincaid had caught that, as he should have done, it would have been one for the ages.

Edited 5 hours ago by UKBillFan

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Allen is a freak. I’d say him and Newton are the two biggest freaks who are good to play the position (Joe Milton is a freak but he is wild as hell). 
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm

young’s numbers for that era are stupid good. He is a very mobile , tougher Tua. 

Or is it Josh Allen? 🧐

allen is way bigger

[Billsfanatic8989]

Stephen A Smith said it best: "Josh Allen's biggest crime is not being Patrick Mahomes." 

 

Of course, his biggest crime is not having Reid and Spags too.

Edited 5 hours ago by Billsfanatic8989

[GaryPinC]

On 1/28/2025 at 4:43 PM, Gugny said:

If we can’t trust him to be at his best when the team needs it most, then he deserves criticism. 
 

It’s okay to love all of the great things he does AND to point out when he comes up short. 
 

It doesn’t have to be one or the other. 
 

He needs to be more reliable in the post season. 
 

Period. 

 Who came up short?

Yep, it’s okay to love all of the great things he does AND to point out when he comes up short. 

 

But to then declare he's not reliable enough in the playoffs?  That borders on deranged for me, like all his outweighing great plays are negated by a jittery start and a misread on a fourth down (where he unbelievably still got out a catchable ball with a throwing hand/wrist injury to boot)!

[Kelly to Allen]

29 points on the road even in a c plus b minus game was enough to win. It's enough to win in almost all history in the playoffs. His defense let him down again along with coaching.

 

Allen is number 1 all time in NFL playoff history in 

 

Tds per game 

Yards per game 

Td to int ratio 

Total td to turnovers ratio

 

Please for the love of God get some game wreckers on the dline and at corner 

 

Get him his Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett and Nate odomes 

 

Tired of this 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[FuturePawgKing]

Only problem i have with Allen is he breaks the pocket too fast to roll right other than that look at Kirk Cousins or the Raiders situation.

[90sBills]

44 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Yes, folded or choked is too much. He did neither. But he did come out tight, as you say - it only lasted consistently through the first drive, but did have an impact on the game.

 

This is another issue where we're saying the same thing before, as I'm sure a sports therapist has been mentioned previously when it comes to Josh. Though that throw at the end... if Kincaid had caught that, as he should have done, it would have been one for the ages.

Oh definitely. If Kincaid caught that pass none of this would come up. It’s a literally a game of inches that shapes narratives. 
 

I thought he was feeling the pressure on the last drive as well. When he overthrew the 1st down pass, after the great run for the first 1st down, the camera caught his face and he looked stressed. Then the batted ball on 2nd. 3rd down was a great play called. Cooper was so close to breaking it. Then the 4th down. Given what we’ve seen from him I think he was under a lot of mental pressure on that down. Spags playcall got him and he was still able to get off a catchable ball. That says a lot about his talent.

 

If he could slow things down in those situations next time it’d probably work out differently. Remember he tried that low positive stuff last season? Having the pressure of the whole city and fanbase to deliver cannot be an easy thing to deal with while trying to play your best game in the biggest moments. But that’s what it takes to break through and be considered the best of the best. 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Bills fans love dismissing Mahomes’ greatness. Been that way since he threw an INT in training camp, 

There have only been 3 QBs in my lifetime where the ball in their hands in the final minutes usually means a victory. They’re Montana, Brady, and now Mahomes. The bigger the moment the brighter they seem to shine. Makes sense that all of them have multiple Super Bowl trophies. 

[Billl]

6 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

There have only been 3 QBs in my lifetime where the ball in their hands in the final minutes usually means a victory. They’re Montana, Brady, and now Mahomes. The bigger the moment the brighter they seem to shine. Makes sense that all of them have multiple Super Bowl trophies. 

Much as I hate to say it, Elway belongs on that list.

[90sBills]

6 minutes ago, Billl said:

Much as I hate to say it, Elway belongs on that list.

Yeah he had a few great AFCCG winning drives. Before there was Brady vs Manning there was Montana vs Elway. Elway’s legacy was tainted by those 3 Super Bowl losses in his prime. By the time he got those 2 rings later in his career he wasn’t the same guy anymore. That was a TD led team. This is just my opinion. 

[toto8]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:56 AM, Simon said:

 

Bull.

He misread presnap, was late picking up the corner blitz and ran himself into a position where he was off balance and couldn't get the throw within 15 yrds of where it was supposed to be.

It was a mental mistake that will piss him off forever.

Also being such an important play, he should've waited until the last second of the play clock and take a TO (had 3 at the time) to make sure he had the right protection and play. Disappointed how he played in the most important game of the season. He looked scare every time they had a closeup on him. I believe the game was lost on the 1st and last drive of the game.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

 Who came up short?

Yep, it’s okay to love all of the great things he does AND to point out when he comes up short. 

 

But to then declare he's not reliable enough in the playoffs?  That borders on deranged for me, like all his outweighing great plays are negated by a jittery start and a misread on a fourth down (where he unbelievably still got out a catchable ball with a throwing hand/wrist injury to boot)!

I’m not negating anything. 
 

I’m just not giving him a pass just because he IS usually awesome. 
 

He had a “good” game last Sunday. 
 

We should expect him to be great in every playoff game. 
 

He’s been great in one playoff loss (13 seconds). 

[Mike in Horseheads]

47 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’m not negating anything. 
 

I’m just not giving him a pass just because he IS usually awesome. 
 

He had a “good” game last Sunday. 
 

We should expect him to be great in every playoff game. 
 

He’s been great in one playoff loss (13 seconds). 

Thats because of McDermott!

[UKBillFan]

50 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’m not negating anything. 
 

I’m just not giving him a pass just because he IS usually awesome. 
 

He had a “good” game last Sunday. 
 

We should expect him to be great in every playoff game. 
 

He’s been great in one playoff loss (13 seconds). 

 

Again, I disagree. He was great on Sunday. He was not Superman. He was Superman in the 13 second game, but the Bills cannot expect him to be Superman just to win the game. Others have to take responsibility.