Josh Allen complaints

[zow2]

After the Detroit game, they changed things up, became more run oriented.  I get why they did that, especially since the division was wrapped and the 2 seed was looking inevitable.  Josh didn't have to do much.  I dunno, it felt like a long layoff between having to play high level QB.  I didn't think the Bills played all that great in the Denver game yet we blew them out late.  I did not think Josh threw the ball well vs Baltimore.   He came out last night nervous as hell.  He seemed to be getting his mojo back in the late first half and second half last night.  Then the failed 4th and 1 looking to build the lead.  That hurt bad.  and the Kincaid drop on an amazing throw was just the last straw, 

[90sBills]

36 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He was amped up and his ball was sailing but let’s face it this isn’t his fault and no other QB on the planet could even get this throw off 

 

Setting the correct protection pre-snap was the issue here. He didn’t recognize what was happening and got fooled. But that was one heck of a throw for sure. 

[Billz4ever]

59 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Earth to Buffalo_Stampede … guessing is all you can do.

 

They don’t tell us what they’re going to run before the snap.

 

You make the best educated guess you can. That’s what every team in NFL history does. 

 

The true problem on that play is that Torrence blocked NOBODY. If Torrence just blocked 1 person, Allen can evade the other free rusher. But he can’t evade two.

 

And Josh was still able to throw a very catchable ball and hit his receiver in the hands.  That's what makes not converting on that play even harder to swallow.  Your all-world QB still beats the blitz with instant pressure in his face. The hardest part was already done.  Just catch the dang ball.

 

Edited Monday at 08:37 PM by Billz4ever

[Simon]

38 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He was amped up and his ball was sailing but let’s face it this isn’t his fault and no other QB on the planet could even get this throw off 

 

 

Bull.

He misread presnap, was late picking up the corner blitz and ran himself into a position where he was off balance and couldn't get the throw within 15 yrds of where it was supposed to be.

It was a mental mistake that will piss him off forever.

[sven233]

45 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He was amped up and his ball was sailing but let’s face it this isn’t his fault and no other QB on the planet could even get this throw off 

 

 

First time seeing it from this angle.  A few things....  Those calling for Allen to hit the orbit motion to Shakir are just out of their minds.  The only way that has a chance to remotely happen is if he is the only read on the play and he just fires the ball out there immediately.  You can tell at the snap that just catching and firing to Shakir was not the first option.  So, just forget about that. 

 

What in the blue hell is Torrence doing on this play?  He throws both arms out the his sides and literally blocks nobody!  Even if you are confused as to who you have, pick somebody and block them!  And, I said this last night, but Brown had, BY FAR, his worst game of the season last night.  He was getting beat like a drum all night and he was beaten bad here as well.  Throw in the blitzing CB that Allen didn't expect to come and didn't see coming, the play was made almost impossible from the start.  Whose fault was the protection?  There is some on Allen for sure.  But it is also on the linemen and the coaching staff as well.  Regardless......it was a terrible protection and everyone is to blame.  That said, the play isn't over because even when everything that could go wrong went wrong, but you still have an alien at QB so the play is never over.  So, when Allen is counting on being able to look to his right to find someone and both the guys on your right side absolutely whiff on their blocks, the average QB is just toast.

 

But Allen isn't your average QB.  Staring at an all out jailbreak that gets to him in just over a 2nd, he is still able to fire a ball almost 40 yards down the field to a guy who is coming WIDE OPEN.  Was it a perfect pass?  Of course not, but considering the circumstances, it may as well be considered perfect.  The fact of the matter is this.  He is the only QB in the NFL that can make this throw.  He is big and athletic enough to back up, jump off his back foot, and even get the ball to travel that far under that pressure.  Did he lead his WR?  No.....  But who in their right mind could ever expect that.

 

That said, the ball is in the air for 3-4 seconds and you can see Kincaid has eyes on it early.  For a guy that is pretty athletic at the position, he completely misjudges the ball in the air.  I mean, he saw that throw the entire way from the moment it left Allen's hand to the moment it bounces off his hands, he saw the ball.  He just misjudged it in the air.  There is literally nobody around him and he just overran the ball.  If he judges that properly, he doesn't need to change directrions.  He doesn't need to dive.  The ball just hits him in the hands with him standing there and nobody within 3 yards of him and it's an easy completion. 

 

Not only is it a completion, but it is a completion into FG range with plenty of time on the clock and TOs to work with to potentially go get the game winning TD.  So yeah....  Was Allen perfect last night?  No.  Of course not.  But, in the moment of truth, with an all out jailbreak in his face, he basically drops a near perfect dime to his first round, highly touted TE who just makes the worst play on the ball possible in that situation.

 

The catches Hollins had in this game, especially the TD, were much more difficult than this one.  As great as he is, even Allen sometimes needs someone else to step up in a big moment and make a play.  His "star" TE failed to do this in the moment.

Edited Monday at 08:05 PM by sven233

[quincy]

I agree with the opening statement, my observation would be that the consensus around here is that Allen is elevating McDermott.

 

Reid is fortunate enough to be elevated by both Mahomes and Spagnuolo, having Jones and Kelce doesn't hurt either! Plus GM Veach.

 

 

[harmonkillebrew]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Protection break downs are typically on the QB. That was a protection break down that never happens to the Bills. It happened in the biggest moment of the game.

It seemed the Bills were also consistently running out of play clock to make adjustments. They were squeezing things in right before the snap.  This seems like one where Josh had to snap it to beat the clock and couldn't get Torrence assignments aligned to account for the guy threatening to blitz.

 

That's home stadium advantage, but also on Brady for getting calls in too late

[MJS]

I don't have much criticism for Josh. He missed some stuff, sure. But he did what he had to for most of the game. There were just a few plays here and there that were the difference in the game. Kincaid dropping that pass. The two bad calls by the refs (4th down spot and INT), and some poor defensive plays including some missed tackles.

[harmonkillebrew]

37 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Torrence completely whiffed. He literally blocked NO ONE.

 

 

when you see the other angle, he's got the DT right in front of him, but at the snap that guy stunts down the line, confusing Torrence while the DB goes right by him. Josh needed to reset the protection to account for the blitzing DB, but he either didn't have the time (play clock was running down) or he thought it was a bluff.  Josh thought he could outrun the DB to the edge, but he probably should have dropped it off to Shakir, even though he wasn't really open yet on the orbit route. Still he got off an amazing pass to a wide open Kincaid, who should have caught it.  Can't blame Allen here at all.

Spags just called a great play on a critical down.  Bills had plenty of chances before, so it didn't have to come down to that 4th down.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Bull.

He misread presnap, was late picking up the corner blitz and ran himself into a position where he was off balance and couldn't get the throw within 15 yrds of where it was supposed to be.

It was a mental mistake that will piss him off forever.

Respectfully disagree.

You can run that play 100 times and we are going to slide protection left 100 times. Spags set us up. He showed us that same look all game long, and *never* sent anyone. He never put it on tape either, from what I have read.

So we had zero reason to believe that he was going to do that.

With no tape and no tendency indicators, I dont see how the offense would ever know to slide right in that situation. It was a great defensive call.

[Returntoglory]

Josh was not Josh last night.

Actually, for most of the year he's been rather vanilla. 

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

First time seeing it from this angle.  A few things....  Those calling for Allen to hit the orbit motion to Shakir are just out of their minds.  The only way that has a chance to remotely happen is if he is the only read on the play and he just fires the ball out there immediately.  You can tell at the snap that just catching and firing to Shakir was not the first option.  So, just forget about that. 

 

What in the blue hell is Torrence doing on this play?  He throws both arms out the his sides and literally blocks nobody!  Even if you are confused as to who you have, pick somebody and block them!  And, I said this last night, but Brown had, BY FAR, his worst game of the season last night.  He was getting beat like a drum all night and he was beaten bad here as well.  Throw in the blitzing CB that Allen didn't expect to come and didn't see coming, the play was made almost impossible from the start.  Whose fault was the protection?  There is some on Allen for sure.  But it is also on the linemen and the coaching staff as well.  Regardless......it was a terrible protection and everyone is to blame.  That said, the play isn't over because even when everything that could go wrong went wrong, but you still have an alien at QB so the play is never over.  So, when Allen is counting on being able to look to his right to find someone and both the guys on your right side absolutely whiff on their blocks, the average QB is just toast.

 

But Allen isn't your average QB.  Staring at an all out jailbreak that gets to him in just over a 2nd, he is still able to fire a ball almost 40 yards down the field to a guy who is coming WIDE OPEN.  Was it a perfect pass?  Of course not, but considering the circumstances, it may as well be considered perfect.  The fact of the matter is this.  He is the only QB in the NFL that can make this throw.  He is big and athletic enough to back up, jump off his back foot, and even get the ball to travel that far under that pressure.  Did he lead his WR?  No.....  But who in their right mind could ever expect that.

 

That said, the ball is in the air for 3-4 seconds and you can see Kincaid has eyes on it early.  For a guy that is pretty athletic at the position, he completely misjudges the ball in the air.  I mean, he saw that throw the entire way from the moment it left Allen's hand to the moment it bounces off his hands, he saw the ball.  He just misjudged it in the air.  There is literally nobody around him and he just overran the ball.  If he judges that properly, he doesn't need to change directrions.  He doesn't need to dive.  The ball just hits him in the hands with him standing there and nobody within 3 yards of him and it's an easy completion. 

 

Not only is it a completion, but it is a completion into FG range with plenty of time on the clock and TOs to work with to potentially go get the game winning TD.  So yeah....  Was Allen perfect last night?  No.  Of course not.  But, in the moment of truth, with an all out jailbreak in his face, he basically drops a near perfect dime to his first round, highly touted TE who just makes the worst play on the ball possible in that situation.

 

The catches Hollins had in this game, especially the TD, were much more difficult than this one.  As great as he is, even Allen sometimes needs someone else to step up in a big moment and make a play.  His "star" TE failed to do this in the moment.

 

If Torrence slows Reid Josh may have had just enough time to deliver a better ball to Kincaid. 

[sven233]

Just now, Motorin' said:

 

If Torrence slows Reid Josh may have had just enough time to deliver a better ball to Kincaid. 

 

Yup.....Just pick someone and block them.  Just a fraction of a second on a play like this could make all the difference in the world.

[harmonkillebrew]

52 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He was amped up and his ball was sailing but let’s face it this isn’t his fault and no other QB on the planet could even get this throw off 

 

Spencer Brown also missed his block entirely, which ended up being the pressure that got to Allen and put him on his back.  
It looked like he was almost letting him go to set up a screen.  Should Ty have cut off his mesh and sat down in the zone vacated by the blitzer? You see him cut across in front of Allen 

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, sven233 said:

First time seeing it from this angle.  A few things....  Those calling for Allen to hit the orbit motion to Shakir are just out of their minds. 

Been saying that. Not only was Allen in no position to throw the orbit, Shakir would likely have been crushed at the first down line. There were 3 Chief defenders guarding that line.

 

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Yup.....Just pick someone and block them.  Just a fraction of a second on a play like this could make all the difference in the world.

Yes. If Torrence just blocks ONE of the free rushers, Josh can evade the other one. Torrence literally just watched as TWO rushers went right past him. 

[sven233]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Been saying that. Not only was Allen in no position to throw the orbit, Shakir would likely have been crushed at the first down line. There were 3 Chief defenders guarding that line.

 

I mean, one can argue that Shakir should be the first read on that play.  And, if he was, it probably is at least a 1st down.  But you could tell by the way the play unfolded that he was not the first read so any comments of "just throw it to Shakir" are just garbage from the point Allen didn't take the snap and turn and fire it to Shakir immediately.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

25 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Bull.

He misread presnap, was late picking up the corner blitz and ran himself into a position where he was off balance and couldn't get the throw within 15 yrds of where it was supposed to be.

It was a mental mistake that will piss him off forever.

It was definitely a presnap fudge up but it’s kinda crazy that that ball was absolutely perfectly placed for not being able to get anything on it lol idk if that was dumb luck or intentional or what after watching it like 100 times 😂. 

 

if he just came up short but on the angle where the throw should’ve gone it’s definitely getting intercepted/knocked down but he flop shotted it into an area with 0 defenders somehow 

Edited Monday at 08:23 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Simon]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It was definitely a presnap fudge up but it’s kinda crazy that that ball was absolutely perfectly placed for not being able to get anything on it lol idk if that was dumb luck or intentional or what after watching it like 100 times

 

If he had been throwing from any kind of platform that ball would have been 15+ yrds in front of where Kincaid ultimately had to come back for it.

 

21 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Respectfully disagree.

You can run that play 100 times and we are going to slide protection left 100 times. Spags set us up. He showed us that same look all game long, and *never* sent anyone. He never put it on tape either, from what I have read.

So we had zero reason to believe that he was going to do that.

With no tape and no tendency indicators, I dont see how the offense would ever know to slide right in that situation. It was a great defensive call.

 

I'm not saying that Allen should have seen it coming, just that he didn't.

And that's the reason he didn't make the right read (which it was) til it was too late to set up and make the throw with any sort of accuracy.

[The Jokeman]

My biggest what if is if Reid didn't jump offside on the extra point...

[LABILLBACKER]

19 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Spencer Brown also missed his block entirely, which ended up being the pressure that got to Allen and put him on his back.  
It looked like he was almost letting him go to set up a screen.  Should Ty have cut off his mesh and sat down in the zone vacated by the blitzer? You see him cut across in front of Allen 

Yup, the bottom line was just when we needed our OL the most, they failed Josh.  They failed any kind of push in all those lame tush pushes.  Spags dominated Brady and you had to know a blitz was coming right there.