Josh Allen complaints

[streetkings01]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Elite, not many. But how many elite games does any team have when you give only a small playoff sample. Was the Chiefs D elite yesterday?

 

Good to very good? Pretty much all of them except the Chiefs games and that Bengals game.

 

As for elite ... the Pats game in the 2021 playoffs. It was 33-3 late in the third quarter. The Pats had scored 10 points till they scored another in garbage time after the two minute warning which made the score 47 - 17. Micah Hyde had that insane interception early.

 

That and the 17 - 3 victory against the Ravens where Taron Johnson had the 103 yard pick six.

 

 

Our defense sucks in the playoffs when facing top QBs. A good game against McCorkel doesn’t change the narrative! The Patriots won their last Super Bowl against an explosive Rams offense by holding them to under 10 points. Bucs beat the Chiefs by holding them to under 10 points. Chiefs beat Ravens last year by holding them to 10 points. Wanna know how the Bengals beat the Chiefs in the playoffs….they held the Chiefs to only 3 points in the second half and forced an interception in overtime. In the playoffs the side of the football you need to show up most is the defense and ours has never showed up in our playoff losses….its the main reason we keep getting bounced!

Edited Tuesday at 03:46 AM by streetkings01

[Jimmy Harris 69]

Josh didn’t have a great day, but it was good enough to win. I’m not down him. His offensive coordinator failed him and the team. The reliance on the schnooplow when it wasn’t working, and the number of plays Cook was off the field when we needed him most. Our offensive felt out of rhythm. Naturally the KC defense did its worst, regardless our offense did not counter well. It’s a fekin shame, that’s all I can say. Josh deserved better. 

[CoudyBills]

8 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He was amped up and his ball was sailing but let’s face it this isn’t his fault and no other QB on the planet could even get this throw off 

 

How the ***** does Kincaid not catch that ball?

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

one thing about the chiefs D... more times than not at the biggest times it shows up.   yes...there was the pats game but, who was the qb?   def no one elite..or maybe even avg.     The Bills D has always been oportunistic.  just not very good at basic fundamentals...especially when it matters most. 

again take the ravens...we were behind..(not much)  and then the pick 6...theres that oportunistic D but then Jackson got knocked out of the game.  

 

even the miami game in the playoffs with thompson?   we barely eeked out a win.  

 

im not nearly as negative as some but, in the most important games the D more times than not falls on its face, and its when it matters most when the

game is on the line. 

 

 

I'm not buying that the Chiefs D shows up all the time.  Did they keep us down yesterday? How about the 13 seconds game? They generally can't stop Allen, but they slow him down a bit.  But we can't stop Mahomes, we slow him down in many, but not enough, damn it.

 

Look, you asked us to show one game they were elite. I did that. You didn't say, "Show me a game where they were elite, but only against an elite QB, not counting times when we were behind, oh, and don't count pick sixes or turnovers." Sure, throw enough qualifiers against the wall and you can eliminate any games. But that's not because the defense wasn't elite. It's because you threw up qualifiers to avoid considering those games. 

 

Oh, and we were never behind in that Ravens game. The Ravens scored a total of three points, and we kicked the first field goal of the game. And even if we had been behind, that has nothing to do with anything we're arguing about. Our offense only scored 10 points, but that's not on our defense. What our defense was responsible for was holding the Ravens to three and then scoring seven for us on the pick six.

 

They were elite in those two games. Those two teams made the playoffs, and our D was elite in those two games, which is pretty damn good when they haven't had that many playoff games. The Pats had the sixth highest scoring offense that year. The Ravens were 7th that year we held them to three points. To be elite in two is impressive.

 

The Bills D has been a bend but not break D that overall does the fundamentals brilliantly.

 

You wanna argue that the D in that Miami game wasn't good? I wouldn't argue too hard. But it's not eking out a win when the Fins on their last two drive are absolutely choked out by the Bills defense. 

 

The defense hasn't been able to hold down the Chiefs in the playoffs. That's been their problem. And as three championships shows, very few teams have.

 

Not that that makes this damn game hurt any less.

 

1 hour ago, streetkings01 said:

Our defense sucks in the playoffs when facing top QBs. A good game against McCorkel doesn’t change the narrative! The Patriots won their last Super Bowl against an explosive Rams offense by holding them to under 10 points. Bucs beat the Chiefs by holding them to under 10 points. Chiefs beat Ravens last year by holding them to 10 points. Wanna know how the Bengals beat the Chiefs in the playoffs….they held the Chiefs to only 3 points in the second half and forced an interception in overtime. In the playoffs the side of the football you need to show up most is the defense and ours has never showed up in our playoff losses….its the main reason we keep getting bounced!

 

 

Two-time and possibly three-time MVP Lamar Jackson says hi. He's a quarteback, isn't he?

 

The defense has done quite well overall in the playoffs against QBs not named Mahomes.

 

You can argue the Bengals game, but that was a defense playing with both hands behind their back in terms of both injuries and the whole team just playing like their emotional reserves were utterly and completely drained.

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:17 AM by Thurman#1

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

10 hours ago, Toledo Bill said:

As I read complaints about Allen's performance, I understand he did not play his best and everyone, of course has their right to opinions. "He choked", "he missed this, he missed that", etc. I understand and empathize with the frustration. 
i have been a Bills fan since their inception and he is the most athletically gifted quarterback I have ever seen in the NFL.

I appreciate him as an athlete and as a person. My only point... complain and criticize him if you will, but once in a while take a breath and be thankful for the talent and heart we are witnessing from this generational person. He has brought so much joy and excitement to the organization and community. Critique all you want but appreciate what we have... where would this team be without him?

Go Bills!

 

I don't think he choked but he really had no excuses this time, the ball was in his hand with 2 minutes left, 3 timeouts and he didn't get it done. I don't think any less of him, Spagnuolo is an amazing DC and his blitz timing is unreal but it was on Allen to execute regardless of the play calls and find the open guys but just didn't get it done.

[UKBillFan]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

I don't think he choked but he really had no excuses this time, the ball was in his hand with 2 minutes left, 3 timeouts and he didn't get it done. I don't think any less of him, Spagnuolo is an amazing DC and his blitz timing is unreal but it was on Allen to execute regardless of the play calls and find the open guys but just didn't get it done.

 

Josh executed despite making an error. Kincaid didn't. There's the difference.

 

In comparison how many players and positions came through for Mahomes? Their receivers, their special teams, their defense at the end, their coaching? 

 

It was only because of Josh that the Bills were in the game to start with. It certainly had very little to do with the receivers (Hollins maybe aside), defense, special teams or coaching on the Bills side.

[harryS]

Josh could end the McDermott era any time he wants to, and yet McDermott persists.

[streetkings01]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I'm not buying that the Chiefs D shows up all the time.  Did they keep us down yesterday? How about the 13 seconds game? They generally can't stop Allen, but they slow him down a bit.  But we can't stop Mahomes, we slow him down in many, but not enough, damn it.

 

Look, you asked us to show one game they were elite. I did that. You didn't say, "Show me a game where they were elite, but only against an elite QB, not counting times when we were behind, oh, and don't count pick sixes or turnovers." Sure, throw enough qualifiers against the wall and you can eliminate any games. But that's not because the defense wasn't elite. It's because you threw up qualifiers to avoid considering those games. 

 

Oh, and we were never behind in that Ravens game. The Ravens scored a total of three points, and we kicked the first field goal of the game. And even if we had been behind, that has nothing to do with anything we're arguing about. Our offense only scored 10 points, but that's not on our defense. What our defense was responsible for was holding the Ravens to three and then scoring seven for us on the pick six.

 

They were elite in those two games. Those two teams made the playoffs, and our D was elite in those two games, which is pretty damn good when they haven't had that many playoff games. The Pats had the sixth highest scoring offense that year. The Ravens were 7th that year we held them to three points. To be elite in two is impressive.

 

The Bills D has been a bend but not break D that overall does the fundamentals brilliantly.

 

You wanna argue that the D in that Miami game wasn't good? I wouldn't argue too hard. But it's not eking out a win when the Fins on their last two drive are absolutely choked out by the Bills defense. 

 

The defense hasn't been able to hold down the Chiefs in the playoffs. That's been their problem. And as three championships shows, very few teams have.

 

Not that that makes this damn game hurt any less.

 

 

 

Two-time and possibly three-time MVP Lamar Jackson says hi. He's a quarteback, isn't he?

 

The defense has done quite well overall in the playoffs against QBs not named Mahomes.

 

You can argue the Bengals game, but that was a defense playing with both hands behind their back in terms of both injuries and the whole team just playing like their emotional reserves were utterly and completely drained.

 

Did you watch last weeks game? The Ravens moved the ball up and down the field on our defense! Ravens had 416 yards of total offense, 23 1st downs and 7/10 on 3rd down. We forced timely turnovers, but the Ravens carved our defense up and that was without Flowers!

7 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

I don't think he choked but he really had no excuses this time, the ball was in his hand with 2 minutes left, 3 timeouts and he didn't get it done. I don't think any less of him, Spagnuolo is an amazing DC and his blitz timing is unreal but it was on Allen to execute regardless of the play calls and find the open guys but just didn't get it done.

I agree with this part. He has an opportunity to tie or win their game and failed. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

4 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Josh executed despite making an error. Kincaid didn't. There's the difference.

 

In comparison how many players and positions came through for Mahomes? Their receivers, their special teams, their defense at the end, their coaching? 

 

It was only because of Josh that the Bills were in the game to start with. It certainly had very little to do with the receivers (Hollins maybe aside), defense, special teams or coaching on the Bills side.

 

If that's how you see that's how you see it. Again I'm not bashing Allen I'm just calling it how I saw it.

[AZSanta]

18 hours ago, Toledo Bill said:

As I read complaints about Allen's performance, I understand he did not play his best and everyone, of course has their right to opinions. "He choked", "he missed this, he missed that", etc. I understand and empathize with the frustration. 
i have been a Bills fan since their inception and he is the most athletically gifted quarterback I have ever seen in the NFL.

I appreciate him as an athlete and as a person. My only point... complain and criticize him if you will, but once in a while take a breath and be thankful for the talent and heart we are witnessing from this generational person. He has brought so much joy and excitement to the organization and community. Critique all you want but appreciate what we have... where would this team be without him?

Go Bills!

I can appreciate what you are saying. We are blessed to get to watch 17 play and lead our team every Sunday. The fact remains he had a chance this year and last year to beat Mahommes on the final drive by scoring a TD and putting away his nemesis.  He failed both times and didn’t even get the 3 points that would of tied the game. The great quarterbacks in the past get it done in those situations he did not. To me he choked 

[zow2]

13 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

I can appreciate what you are saying. We are blessed to get to watch 17 play and lead our team every Sunday. The fact remains he had a chance this year and last year to beat Mahommes on the final drive by scoring a TD and putting away his nemesis.  He failed both times and didn’t even get the 3 points that would of tied the game. The great quarterbacks in the past get it done in those situations he did not. To me he choked 

 

They have made this point ad nauseum on the ESPN morning talk shows the past couple days.  They can't get past the fact Allen had the ball in his hands for the final potential GW drive and didn't get it done.... regardless of play calling, poor line play, guys dropping passes, etc..  It's like his legacy was re-written in the wrong direction.

[78thealltimegreat]

10 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

How the ***** does Kincaid not catch that ball?

He dropped a pretty easy one in the first half too. I gotta admit the guy is a bust and I was wrong about him. 

[Bockeye]

 

[tigerthelion]

47 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

I can appreciate what you are saying. We are blessed to get to watch 17 play and lead our team every Sunday. The fact remains he had a chance this year and last year to beat Mahommes on the final drive by scoring a TD and putting away his nemesis.  He failed both times and didn’t even get the 3 points that would of tied the game. The great quarterbacks in the past get it done in those situations he did not. To me he choked 

Yes, the Bills had the ball for a potentially game winning drive at the end.  Yes, Josh maybe could have handled it better.  Yes, Mahomes may be the better QB, especially in end of game moments.   I just want to see another Bills player step up in the moment.  Make a play for your QB.  Even if he isn't quite on Mahomes' level, make a play to get the team over the hump.  Does anyone think that, in the same scenario, Kelce would drop that ball? 

 

For all the hand wringing about Josh Allen being "unclutch", there were plenty of times that Mahomes, Brady, Manning failed.  No QB is perfect. I know that Tom Brady had a hell of a lot of help on those teams, that's for damn sure.   We have seen Josh Allen be as clutch as anyone in other games.  His play against the Chiefs in the 13 second game was as good or better than any Montana game or Brady game.   Everything is black and white in these discussions.  In reality, a lot of factors go into winning or losing at the end.  If Mahomes' receivers drop balls at the end of games, would that be an indictment on him? What if Butker misses the field goal in the 13 second game?  Does that mean Mahomes wasn't clutch?  If he doesn't have Chris Jones on his team, would his defense be stopping these teams in the 4th quarter drives?   Was Lamar Jackson "clutch" when he almost single-handedly lost his team the game in the first half? So, his one drive at the end with the Bills basically  in a prevent defense completely redeems him?  Did Josh Allen not will his team to a touchdown with a ridiculous fourth down pass to Samuel in the 4th quarter?  

 

In the end, I don't care if Mahomes is better than Allen.  At some point, somebody has to make a damn, memorable play for the Bills other than Allen.   Make a tough catch, a crazy run, something.  Far lesser quarterbacks than Josh Allen have won Super Bowls.  I'd love him to be perfect all playoffs.  If he isn't, I'd love for someone to bail him out, which never happens.  Allen and Mahomes have basically played on even terms in their matchups, for the most part.  This isn't like a Jared Goff throwing picks all over the field or Thurman Thomas fumbling the ball all over the place.

[Lfod]

17 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Yes, the Bills had the ball for a potentially game winning drive at the end.  Yes, Josh maybe could have handled it better.  Yes, Mahomes may be the better QB, especially in end of game moments.   I just want to see another Bills player step up in the moment.  Make a play for your QB.  Even if he isn't quite on Mahomes' level, make a play to get the team over the hump.  Does anyone think that, in the same scenario, Kelce would drop that ball? 

 

For all the hand wringing about Josh Allen being "unclutch", there were plenty of times that Mahomes, Brady, Manning failed.  No QB is perfect. I know that Tom Brady had a hell of a lot of help on those teams, that's for damn sure.   We have seen Josh Allen be as clutch as anyone in other games.  His play against the Chiefs in the 13 second game was as good or better than any Montana game or Brady game.   Everything is black and white in these discussions.  In reality, a lot of factors go into winning or losing at the end.  If Mahomes' receivers drop balls at the end of games, would that be an indictment on him? What if Butker misses the field goal in the 13 second game?  Does that mean Mahomes wasn't clutch?  If he doesn't have Chris Jones on his team, would his defense be stopping these teams in the 4th quarter drives?   Was Lamar Jackson "clutch" when he almost single-handedly lost his team the game in the first half? So, his one drive at the end with the Bills basically  in a prevent defense completely redeems him?  Did Josh Allen not will his team to a touchdown with a ridiculous fourth down pass to Samuel in the 4th quarter?  

 

In the end, I don't care if Mahomes is better than Allen.  At some point, somebody has to make a damn, memorable play for the Bills other than Allen.   Make a tough catch, a crazy run, something.  Far lesser quarterbacks than Josh Allen have won Super Bowls.  I'd love him to be perfect all playoffs.  If he isn't, I'd love for someone to bail him out, which never happens.  Allen and Mahomes have basically played on even terms in their matchups, for the most part.  This isn't like a Jared Goff throwing picks all over the field or Thurman Thomas fumbling the ball all over the place.

 

Mahomes and Reid have an edge over McDermott and Josh Allen in my opinion. It was my opinion the defense wasn't going to get many stops and the offense was going to have to score every time they touched the ball. 

 

We got the ball first and Josh was sailing passes to the other team. Big surprise that KC got the ball and  scored.  Just that alone is not going to cut it when you know that these two teams play tight. Josh had a hand in that loss. 

 

In reality we were a stones throw away from the big show so the doom and gloom stuff is lame and I personally think the team over achieved. 

 

I think the future looks bright. They will be right back at next season. 

[GoBills808]

58 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

 

yeah not only did he point out the penalty he kept the play alive long enough to make sure the ref threw the flag before taking the shot to Coleman

 

Allen is so next level that Romo didn't even understand what was going on.

[AZSanta]

4 hours ago, tigerthelion said:

Yes, the Bills had the ball for a potentially game winning drive at the end.  Yes, Josh maybe could have handled it better.  Yes, Mahomes may be the better QB, especially in end of game moments.   I just want to see another Bills player step up in the moment.  Make a play for your QB.  Even if he isn't quite on Mahomes' level, make a play to get the team over the hump.  Does anyone think that, in the same scenario, Kelce would drop that ball? 

 

For all the hand wringing about Josh Allen being "unclutch", there were plenty of times that Mahomes, Brady, Manning failed.  No QB is perfect. I know that Tom Brady had a hell of a lot of help on those teams, that's for damn sure.   We have seen Josh Allen be as clutch as anyone in other games.  His play against the Chiefs in the 13 second game was as good or better than any Montana game or Brady game.   Everything is black and white in these discussions.  In reality, a lot of factors go into winning or losing at the end.  If Mahomes' receivers drop balls at the end of games, would that be an indictment on him? What if Butker misses the field goal in the 13 second game?  Does that mean Mahomes wasn't clutch?  If he doesn't have Chris Jones on his team, would his defense be stopping these teams in the 4th quarter drives?   Was Lamar Jackson "clutch" when he almost single-handedly lost his team the game in the first half? So, his one drive at the end with the Bills basically  in a prevent defense completely redeems him?  Did Josh Allen not will his team to a touchdown with a ridiculous fourth down pass to Samuel in the 4th quarter?  

 

In the end, I don't care if Mahomes is better than Allen.  At some point, somebody has to make a damn, memorable play for the Bills other than Allen.   Make a tough catch, a crazy run, something.  Far lesser quarterbacks than Josh Allen have won Super Bowls.  I'd love him to be perfect all playoffs.  If he isn't, I'd love for someone to bail him out, which never happens.  Allen and Mahomes have basically played on even terms in their matchups, for the most part.  This isn't like a Jared Goff throwing picks all over the field or Thurman Thomas fumbling the ball all over the place.

Unfortunately these situations define quarterbacks. He absolutely deserved the 13 second game. I’ll give him that one. However, the last 2 years have been where he needed to step up and be Superman on the final drive. He has done it many times in the past but when the season and Super Bowl was on the line he didn’t come through. Will that be his legacy ? I hope not but I know Brady or Brees or Mahommes would have scored in those situations. He still has a lot of great years ahead of him but he has to finish in those situations. No excuses. 

[tigerthelion]

25 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

Unfortunately these situations define quarterbacks. He absolutely deserved the 13 second game. I’ll give him that one. However, the last 2 years have been where he needed to step up and be Superman on the final drive. He has done it many times in the past but when the season and Super Bowl was on the line he didn’t come through. Will that be his legacy ? I hope not but I know Brady or Brees or Mahommes would have scored in those situations. He still has a lot of great years ahead of him but he has to finish in those situations. No excuses. 

That might become his legacy.   Thing is, nobody ever said that Mahomes or Brady needed to be "Superman".  Therein lies part of the problem.  I think Josh could be a little more calm at the end of some of these games, but I am still not sure if he is put in a position to succeed like those guys were.  Tom Brady always had short passes to White or could throw to Gronk and just let him ***** the ball.  Josh McDaniels had Welker running wide open.  Maybe part of it is that Allen is not manipulating the defense as well as the other guys, but I am just not sold that he has ever had a real, brilliant co-ordinator yet.  A lot of his great plays are still because of him making something happen out of nothing.  I just don't see the easy options for him as often as a Brady or a Mahomes or a Lamar.    Look at the last pass by Mahomes to end the Bills game, for instance.  Wide open. Catch. Ballgame.  Just too easy.  I would not put Josh Allen at the same level as Brady or Mahomes, don't get me wrong.  I definitely don't put Brees in their category, either.  Brees had stacked teams in New Orleans and managed to squeak out one SB win, so good for him, but I don't put him as a step above Josh Allen.   Did Brady really deserve a score against the Raiders in one of those runs?  Or did the NFL throw the Pats a bone on a completely unfair call, to allow Vinateiri to kick a field goal in a blizzard?  

 

Anyway, maybe I am being defensive about Allen.  I fully realize that.   Just don't think he's ever going to be a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or even Mahomes type, mentally.  I think he is more than good enough to win mulitiple Super Bowls in the right situation, though. Feel that way about Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow also.  They are all plenty good enough to be champions with the right help and the right team around them.  If Josh Allen never reaches the level of Mahomes or Brady, I am ok with that.  It is almost impossible right now for him to actually reach their levels as far as I can tell, especially if Mahomes wins again this year.  

Edited Tuesday at 07:47 PM by tigerthelion

[Simon]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

yeah not only did he point out the penalty

 

I'm not sure what Chase Daniels has been watching but Allen has been doing this for 5 years.

Frankly, I wish he would stop because it has no positive effect on the play whatsoever and only serves as a distraction.

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'm not sure what Chase Daniels has been watching but Allen has been doing this for 5 years.

Frankly, I wish he would stop because it has no positive effect on the play whatsoever and only serves as a distraction.

 

I can't say that

Maybe it serves to let guys know scramble drill is on. Maybe it serves to encourage the flag

 

Regardless I've seen Mahomes do it too. Probably other QBs as well...it might just be instinctual