The stubbornness to continually run the QB sneak....

[Matt_In_NH]

The Chiefs were geared up for it, they stopped it or greatly limited progress every time.

 

The decision to take the XP off the board and take the 2 point try was aggressive but probably the right move analytically.  However, QB sneak is your best play there?  You have to get an entire yard....Did not like it in the moment.  

 

Then in the second half up by one with the ball, they ran it I think 4 times out of like 8 plays, none of them were particularly successful yet they just kept at it.  After the third down, I was like roll him out and give him options, nope lets do it again.  Josh new they were stopping them so he did the leap over the pile move at midfield which was a bad move, you are fumbling there, he did, they got it back but that should have been enough for Brady and McDermott to step in and put an end to it.  Nope lets do it again....this time its super close and we blame the refs....I think he got it but the call to do it again was way worse than anything the refs did there.  That play turned the game.  That was a turnover that KC needed.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

This is probably 99% a QB call.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is probably 99% a QB call.

the 2 point conversion was a QB call?

[K D]

I've been waiting for a team to blow this play up. Josh has always gone to the left for many years now. Crazy that it finally happened with a chance to go to the Superbowl on the line. If it happened before this maybe we would have had an answer. I don't think they were prepared or believed it could be stopped.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Matt_In_NH said:

the 2 point conversion was a QB call?

I said 99%. But Josh has freedom to do what ever he sees.

[Man with No Name]

this game was a learning experience in a really bad spot to have to learn. We are going to have to diversify our short yardage package BIG TIME next year. We knew the chiefs were on it last night, but we just didn't have any other options because that had worked for us ALL YEAR--with the exception of the Rams game. 

Or maybe we just weren't capable of running any other very high percentage plays for 1 yard. Look at the result of that 3rd and 2 Allen run against the Ravens where we were really just hoping for 1 yard. we aren't good in those spots. 

 

is it our players? our o-line coach? just not working hard enough to plan for other stuff? 

1 minute ago, K D said:

I've been waiting for a team to blow this play up. Josh has always gone to the left for many years now. Crazy that it finally happened with a chance to go to the Superbowl on the line. If it happened before this maybe we would have had an answer. I don't think they were prepared or believed it could be stopped.

It happened against the Rams. If we had the players or the play callers to do anything about it, we should have done it then. 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I said 99%. But Josh has freedom to do what ever he sees.

 

If so, it's up to the coaches to pull him up on it if it's not working. Pull rank. Call another play.

 

Do you honestly think Reid would have allowed that to happen? Sneak after sneak, failing time and time again?

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Maybe try going right every once in a while.  I mean Romo says it every time we are going over left A gap

Edited Monday at 04:53 PM by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Maybe try going right every once in a while

 

I agree. I think the issue was Jones was that side, and it would have left the ball less protected than going to the left.

[CodeMonkey]

The main premise of this thread is very valid "The stubbornness to continually run the QB sneak".

That was no more evident than on the last turnover on downs.  Did Josh make it, who knows.  But the Bills stubbornness (the perfect word in this case) to do that, and AGAIN to the left as always when it was clearly not working is IMO what cost the Bills the game as much as anything else.  It is NOT the fault of the referees.  Given what had happened with the "tush push" the entire game, the Bills needed to take it out of the hands of the officials and make the first down clearly and not rely on what some say was making it by 1/3 of the ball length in that giant sea of humanity.  

[UKBillFan]

Just now, CodeMonkey said:

The main premise of this thread is very valid "The stubbornness to continually run the QB sneak".

That was no more evident than on the last turnover on downs.  Did Josh make it, who knows.  But the Bills stubbornness (the perfect word in this case) to do that, and AGAIN to the left as always when it was clearly not working is IMO what cost the Bills the game as much as anything else.  It is NOT the fault of the referees.  Given what had happened with the "tush push" the entire game, the Bills needed to take it out of the hands of the officials and make the first down clearly and not rely on what some say was making it by 1/3 of the ball length in that giant sea of humanity.  

 

Especially as the officials were short spotting the ball all night and everyone should know the Bills were not going to get any favors.

[frostbitmic]

Watching this play fail over and over yesterday was like watching an infant trying to put a square peg in a round hole over and over. Change the cadence, go right, do something they aren't prepared for.

 

Spagnuolo had his team work on stopping this play and it worked, great coaching.

[North Buffalo]

The problem with the coaches take too long to make adjustments and a team like the Chiefs that plays 3D chess while the Bills are still playing checkers is frustrating... Both offensively  on those sneaks and especially on D with those 2 long drives...

8 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Maybe try going right every once in a while.  I mean Romo says it every time we are going over left A gap

duh

[Ramza86]

It was finally stopped.....in the most important game. Sigh....pretty crazy. 

 

Not gonna lie I saw a lot of Chief helmets lined up offisdes on those plays. 

[North Buffalo]

2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Watching this play fail over and over yesterday was like watching an infant trying to put a square peg in a round hole over and over. Change the cadence, go right, do something they aren't prepared for.

 

Spagnuolo had his team work on stopping this play and it worked, great coaching.

And by the time they did it was too late

[Buffalo_Stampede]

So much hindsight it’s funny. I get it. But that’s our bread and butter on 4th and 1.

 

Josh doesn’t believe he can be stopped. He got stopped. Tip your hat to the Chiefs.

[strive_for_five_guy]

After the Bills lost to the Rams, McD said they ran the QB sneak at the 1 because it was the “best play all year”.  Yet they’d been stuffed by the Rams on a QB sneak earlier in the game, so it wasn’t a sure thing they were going to get in on that 1st down attempt.  Plenty of time to prepare alternative short yardage approaches for another opponent like the Chiefs, that show an ability to stop the QB sneak.  Ignorance is bliss.

[whorlnut]

The qb sneak was the right call each time. It should be automatic and was all season. I felt like Josh didn’t get low enough at any time last night though. He was too upright. 

[vanislebills44]

improvise adapt n overcome...simple...

u would think after 3-4-5 close calls u might throw a wrinkle in there...

regardless of if we all think it was a bad spot, dont make it that close n put it in the refs hands, as we know which way that call is gonna go...not 2 mention the 3rd down play was even more clear a 1st down as his knee wasnt down

id like to c josh change the call if he sees it fit, they aint gonna bench em or anything...

 

[zow2]

Matt Hasselback was comparing Buffalo's tush push to Philadelphia's.  He said the Bills were so predictable and did a terrible job last night.  He broke down the formations and exactly what they did.  What a terrible coaching job by the Bills in preparation for last night.