Maxx Crosby

[SectionC3]

34 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah Crosby is a wide-9 type guy.  He needs space to operate at the level we are accustomed to seeing.  Myles Garrett is the guy who could still make hay in the Bills tighter splits.  He can dominate in a phone booth.    

 

All that said,  they are good enough defensively to rope-a-dope with the Chiefs or Ravens they just lack the horses in the passing game.   Kincaid was supposed to be the guy but he is soft as baby sh!t.  Makes Mike Gesicki look like Mark Bavaro.  Coleman is a project because he can't separate and has to play out of position on the boundary.  Shakir isn't physically capable of being a WR1 despite his great effort. Two straight years Allen had the ball in his hands with a chance to choke the f#cking Chiefs out and instead they choked themselves out because they couldn't make plays in the passing game when needed.

I disagree with the last sentence.  We got jobbed last night on the spot.  We get that first down (on either bad spot) and we’re gonna stuff it down their throats and win that game.  Otherwise agreed.  

Edited Monday at 05:06 PM by SectionC3

[Alphadawg7]

34 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Pickings are relatively slim at WR in this draft class.  2nd round talent this year would be day 3 quality in recent years.  Hard to expect year 1 starter results from day 3 pedigree.  Better off spending the money(and/or pick(s)) on a veteran boundary WR to try to close the deal.     

I agree about the WR draft class, another reason why I am comfortable making the trade for an elite player like Crosby or Garrett.
 

At WR, we could also trade up or trade one of our seconds (and another pick if needed) for someone too.  Or even try and sign someone like Higgins.  
 

In the end though, we had the top offense in the AFC, set several offensive or QB records, and scored 29 but lost to a team who we allowed to score 32 even though they hadn’t broke 30 the whole season.  And we would have had over 30 and probably win that game if not for the refs screwing us on the 4th down.  
 

We need more elite players and our defense has none.  Don’t get me wrong, WR is a priority (and I don’t think Cooper is the answer), just think there are more potential ways to improve the WR room than our DL.  And our D sorely lacks difference makers, it’s been at least one of, if not the main, Achilles heal every post season loss.  

Edited Monday at 05:22 PM by Alphadawg7

[DapperCam]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Someone pointed out in another thread, maybe even last night, Groot crashing inside numerous times and taking himself out of the play, and letting the QB get out around the right side.

 

I saw it last night as well. But I also saw the same exact thing against Baltimore, Denver, and throughout the season. And not just Groot, whoever we had in at LDE.

 

The fact it has been going on all year, and by multiple players at that position, tells me a lot of our DE/DL problem is due to scheme and design.

I agree that Groot was losing contain crashing inside and it seemed to be by design. Just weird stuff.

 

 

[bouds]

As good as our OL coach is, thats how bad I feel our DL coach is.  We've developed talent on OL, DL, not so much, lot of picks spent, not much to show for it besides Greg, and I think Greg leaves a lot of meat on the bone.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I disagree with the last sentence.  We got jobbed last night on the spot.  We get that first down (on either bad spot) and we’re gonna stuff it down their throats and win that game.  Otherwise agreed.  

 

I don't think there is evidence to suggest that if the refs had rewarded the Bills for doing the bare minimum with those 4 downs then the Bills would have just rammed it down their throat the rest of the way.   They played it too close and left their fortune to fate.   Maybe the drive turns into a TD but I think it's just as likely(if not moreso) they would have stalled again.  We can blame the OL or Brady or even Josh Allen but in the end I think having to throw passes at or behind the LOS and pray for YAC all night was the cause.   Just a dearth of easy 10-15 yard gains.  Mahomes had 9.4 yards per attempt Allen had 6.9.    It's a recurring theme in the last two playoff games(although last year it was more like 9.5 to 4.75 so I guess they made "some" progress).  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Someone pointed out in another thread, maybe even last night, Groot crashing inside numerous times and taking himself out of the play, and letting the QB get out around the right side.

 

I saw it last night as well. But I also saw the same exact thing against Baltimore, Denver, and throughout the season. And not just Groot, whoever we had in at LDE.

 

The fact it has been going on all year, and by multiple players at that position, tells me a lot of our DE/DL problem is due to scheme and design.

It’s as if Mahomes was just reading groot and planned to take off right every time he did that

[appoo]

Groot losing contain is Groot being Groot and not coaching.  Because there were a bunch of times he DIDNT lose contain. He loses his head when engaged at times. That’s the problem. 
 

He’s also fairly inconsistent as a pass rusher. Some days he’s unstoppable other days he doesn’t get a single pass rush win. 

[SCBills]

Any chance Vegas would take Rousseau and our 1st, maybe a 4th as well to get it over the finish line.

 

I truly think Crosby has us as a team he'd like to play for and we desperately need a Josh Allen level dawg on that side of the ball in his prime.

 

If it's at all possible, I'd make getting a guy like him here this offseason, bulking up the DT room, investing heavily in the back 7 with our mid-rounds picks and find Josh Allen an outside separator to replace Cooper.

 

 

[chongli]

1 hour ago, bills6969 said:

This team’s single greatest need is an elite pass rusher.  Von was a swing and miss.  Groot and Epensa are pretty underwhelming.  Our priority this offseason should be obtaining an elite pass rusher.  I like Crosby.  I would even trade our first for him.  We’ll have some cap savings once we cut Von.  
 

Gettir done Beane

 

Sigh...there was already a thread about this last month:

 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah Crosby is a wide-9 type guy.  He needs space to operate at the level we are accustomed to seeing.  Myles Garrett is the guy who could still make hay in the Bills tighter splits.  He can dominate in a phone booth.    

 

All that said,  they are good enough defensively to rope-a-dope with the Chiefs or Ravens they just lack the horses in the passing game.   Kincaid was supposed to be the guy but he is soft as baby sh!t.  Makes Mike Gesicki look like Mark Bavaro.  Coleman is a project because he can't separate and has to play out of position on the boundary.  Shakir isn't physically capable of being a WR1 despite his great effort. Two straight years Allen had the ball in his hands with a chance to choke the f#cking Chiefs out and instead they choked themselves out because they couldn't make plays in the passing game when needed.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Pickings are relatively slim at WR in this draft class.  2nd round talent this year would be day 3 quality in recent years.  Hard to expect year 1 starter results from day 3 pedigree.  Better off spending the money(and/or pick(s)) on a veteran boundary WR to try to close the deal.     

Didn’t we already have that guy this year in cooper?  I hope we can replace him with someone better- but who?  We clearly need a boundary guy (if cooper leaves).  But if we bring him back- I doubt we add anyone else…. Especially if we (hopefully) bring Hollins back.

 

do you have your eye on anyone in particular to replace Cooper? Only 2 FA WRs look to be upgrades over him- Higgins and Godwin- and Godwin is best in the slot imo.  I always liked the thought of Slayton.  He might not have the production, but he has a skill set we could use.  Any possible trade targets?

Guys just need to make plays when we need them to.  The ball hits the hands of very capable players and they fail (diggs and Kincaid esp). KC always executes when they need to and we don’t.    
 

Garrett is definitely #1 on my want list.  
 

my value FA is the same as the last 2 years, Calais Campbell (if he doesn’t retire).  It would probably cost more than the 2M he got in Miami last season to come to the cold, but he can still make an impact at a affordable price 

[BADOLBILZ]

41 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I agree about the WR draft class, another reason why I am comfortable making the trade for an elite player like Crosby or Garrett.
 

At WR, we could also trade up or trade one of our seconds (and another pick if needed) for someone too.  Or even try and sign someone like Higgins.  
 

In the end though, we had the top offense in the AFC, set several offensive or QB records, and scored 29 but lost to a team who we allowed to score 32 even though they hadn’t broke 30 the whole season.  And we would have had over 30 and probably win that game if not for the refs screwing us on the 4th down.  
 

We need more elite players and our defense has none.  Don’t get me wrong, WR is a priority (and I don’t think Cooper is the answer), just think there are more potential ways to improve the WR room than our DL.  And our D sorely lacks difference makers, it’s been at least one of, if not the main, Achilles heal every post season loss.  

 

 

Obviously the big problem is a lack of chips to fill the positions because ideally you want a bunch of new players.

 

I just think that given the salary cap jam that Beane has put himself in that the biggest difference maker would be 1 stud boundary WR.    To me, that and perhaps a modest experience related uptick at a couple other skill positions on offense could result in them adding a full TD to their 30 ppg offense.   A potentially historic offense.   I know they put up 29 last night but 7(?) of those were courtesy of harrowing 4th down conversions that would likely have been FG's in-season.   They didn't look good on offense.

 

Defense,  I think is more of a multi-player fix.   Yes, an elite difference maker on the DL would be great.   That would really help put away teams with sackable QB's.  But they may also need a number of back 7 players and a true 1-tech at DT.   And then you hope they stay healthy.   And defense is the far less predictable side of the ball from year to year so there is that to consider when distributing limited personnel chips.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Someone pointed out in another thread, maybe even last night, Groot crashing inside numerous times and taking himself out of the play, and letting the QB get out around the right side.

 

I saw it last night as well. But I also saw the same exact thing against Baltimore, Denver, and throughout the season. And not just Groot, whoever we had in at LDE.

 

The fact it has been going on all year, and by multiple players at that position, tells me a lot of our DE/DL problem is due to scheme and design.

Over and over again. I was screaming at the TV watching him. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Mad Max in Buffalo would be amazing but how about bringing Khalil Mack home he’s finally a free agent. 

For vet minimum?

[BADOLBILZ]

30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Didn’t we already have that guy this year in cooper?  I hope we can replace him with someone better- but who?  We clearly need a boundary guy (if cooper leaves).  But if we bring him back- I doubt we add anyone else…. Especially if we (hopefully) bring Hollins back.

 

do you have your eye on anyone in particular to replace Cooper? Only 2 FA WRs look to be upgrades over him- Higgins and Godwin- and Godwin is best in the slot imo.  I always liked the thought of Slayton.  He might not have the production, but he has a skill set we could use.  Any possible trade targets?

Guys just need to make plays when we need them to.  The ball hits the hands of very capable players and they fail (diggs and Kincaid esp). KC always executes when they need to and we don’t.    
 

Garrett is definitely #1 on my want list.  
 

my value FA is the same as the last 2 years, Calais Campbell (if he doesn’t retire).  It would probably cost more than the 2M he got in Miami last season to come to the cold, but he can still make an impact at a affordable price 

 

 

I think Jamar Chase and DK Metcalf could be had in trade for the right price.

 

Chase would be incredible because he is the much better player........but he might not fit the culture.

 

Metcalf would be a great culture fit and likely much cheaper to acquire and extend but he's not automatic like Chase.

 

I'm skeptical that Tee Higgins and Allen would be a great fit because nobody delivers perfectly placed passes like Burrow so not sure how he'd fit in Buffalo with his modest athleticism.

 

I'd hope that Metcalf would be attainable with the 2 second round picks or hopefully even less if he pushes his way out of Seattle by asking for a contract extension.   The Chiefs were after Metcalf last offseason so I'd suspect they will be again so might even serve to block them from getting what they want if the Bills dealt for him.  

 

A Chase deal would start with a #1 and probably require another #1.   Garrett would seem like the same price to me, two #1's.   Those 26' picks might be particularly valuable to teams like Seattle and Cleveland playing with bridge QB's.  

 

I mean a Garrett and Metcalf offseason wouldn't be entirely out of the question even if very unlikely.    Maybe they take lesser extensions to play with Josh Allen?

Edited Monday at 06:39 PM by BADOLBILZ

[78thealltimegreat]

51 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

For vet minimum?

Why not he’s made a ton of money maybe a chance at the post season 

[Sojourner]

I thought it was a pipe dream and still do. But if there is a chance he’s available, get him. Trade them Groot in the package too ffs. 
 

We had none that wasn’t gifted to use via errors last night. 

Sink as much resources into continuing improvement offensively but if you can part some of the draft for a proven commodity instead of going back to hope and development for a guy, do it. 

 

[Buffalo03]

Him or Myles Garrett. I don't care. For the love of God, spend the money and get one of them here. We need pressure on Mahomes and until we get a guy like this, it will never happen

[Alphadawg7]

52 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Obviously the big problem is a lack of chips to fill the positions because ideally you want a bunch of new players.

 

I just think that given the salary cap jam that Beane has put himself in that the biggest difference maker would be 1 stud boundary WR.    To me, that and perhaps a modest experience related uptick at a couple other skill positions on offense could result in them adding a full TD to their 30 ppg offense.   A potentially historic offense.   I know they put up 29 last night but 7(?) of those were courtesy of harrowing 4th down conversions that would likely have been FG's in-season.   They didn't look good on offense.

 

Defense,  I think is more of a multi-player fix.   Yes, an elite difference maker on the DL would be great.   That would really help put away teams with sackable QB's.  But they may also need a number of back 7 players and a true 1-tech at DT.   And then you hope they stay healthy.   And defense is the far less predictable side of the ball from year to year so there is that to consider when distributing limited personnel chips.

 

I have nothing against scoring more points, but we already had the #1 offense in the AFC this year that also was already historic setting a number of team and individual offensive records.  We are also the highest scoring team in the NFL over the past 5 seasons and all that has gotten us is 2 AFCCG losses and 3 divisional round losses.  Meanwhile, the Chiefs are 1 game away from the first 3 peat in NFL history with a mediocre offensive roster that has been underwhelming the past 3 years, especially this year where they didn't score 30 the whole season until yesterday.  And we are not likely to face a weaker KC offense than we saw this season moving forward.

 

So wouldn't you agree that if you need to field the greatest offense in NFL history, as you are proposing above, to get over the hump that there must be a bigger problem elsewhere?  Not to mention, having a historically great offense hasn't meant much now or in the past.  

 

Top 2 offenses in history are 2013 Broncos and 2007 Pats...both loss in the SB, both had their historic offenses shut down by strong defenses and lost to teams with mediocre offenses.  The #3 offense is the Mahomes led Chiefs in 2018 who didn't even reach the SB.  The #4 offense is the 2024 Lions who again didn't reach the Super Bowl.  In fact, only 2 of the top single season offenses in history won a SB (5th ranked 2011 Packers and the 8th ranked 1983 Redskins).  

 

I won't be upset if we make a splash play at WR, but I am not sure how that moves the needle much against KC who isn't going away anytime soon.  The last 2 teams to beat KC in the postseason were Bucs whose D dismantled their offense and the Bengals who shut the KC offense down in the 2nd half of the AFCCG holding them to 3 points that half...a week after we gave up 2 TD's and FG to KC in the final like 3 minutes of the game on their way to 42 points.

 

So for me, I think a major splash play for a real difference maker on the D would do more for this roster right now.  I still want and expect us to add to the WR room, but in terms of our biggest move I just think that difference maker on defense does a lot more for us.  

 

 

[biggerdaddynj]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Someone pointed out in another thread, maybe even last night, Groot crashing inside numerous times and taking himself out of the play, and letting the QB get out around the right side.

 

I saw it last night as well. But I also saw the same exact thing against Baltimore, Denver, and throughout the season. And not just Groot, whoever we had in at LDE.

 

The fact it has been going on all year, and by multiple players at that position, tells me a lot of our DE/DL problem is due to scheme and design.

I like Groot plenty but I agree with your assessment of his play in the last three big money games.  What makes this even more confounding is his expected top-dollar DE extension.  Spotrac has him with a $24 million market value.  For that type of money we need DEs who do come up with those big game third down closeouts (sacks/TFLs).  
 

Whereas it’s a totally different situation than any future Cook extension discussion—he keeps improving and has made big game-changing plays (I know he’s not due until ‘26 just using him as an example of a pretty clear deserving extension). 

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I have nothing against scoring more points, but we already had the #1 offense in the AFC this year that also was already historic setting a number of team and individual offensive records.  We are also the highest scoring team in the NFL over the past 5 seasons and all that has gotten us is 2 AFCCG losses and 3 divisional round losses.  Meanwhile, the Chiefs are 1 game away from the first 3 peat in NFL history with a mediocre offensive roster that has been underwhelming the past 3 years, especially this year where they didn't score 30 the whole season until yesterday.  And we are not likely to face a weaker KC offense than we saw this season moving forward.

 

So wouldn't you agree that if you need to field the greatest offense in NFL history, as you are proposing above, to get over the hump that there must be a bigger problem elsewhere?  Not to mention, having a historically great offense hasn't meant much now or in the past.  

 

Top 2 offenses in history are 2013 Broncos and 2007 Pats...both loss in the SB, both had their historic offenses shut down by strong defenses and lost to teams with mediocre offenses.  The #3 offense is the Mahomes led Chiefs in 2018 who didn't even reach the SB.  The #4 offense is the 2024 Lions who again didn't reach the Super Bowl.  In fact, only 2 of the top single season offenses in history won a SB (5th ranked 2011 Packers and the 8th ranked 1983 Redskins).  

 

I won't be upset if we make a splash play at WR, but I am not sure how that moves the needle much against KC who isn't going away anytime soon.  The last 2 teams to beat KC in the postseason were Bucs whose D dismantled their offense and the Bengals who shut the KC offense down in the 2nd half of the AFCCG holding them to 3 points that half...a week after we gave up 2 TD's and FG to KC in the final like 3 minutes of the game on their way to 42 points.

 

So for me, I think a major splash play for a real difference maker on the D would do more for this roster right now.  I still want and expect us to add to the WR room, but in terms of our biggest move I just think that difference maker on defense does a lot more for us.  

 

 

 

 

Oh the defense is obviously the bigger problem for sure,  I just think they need A LOT of different starters to expect to become a road-worthy playoff defense.   I don't expect Milano or Douglas back but if they are I don't expect them to play as well as they did in the playoffs, even.   Daquan and Taron will likely be back(because of difficult contracts) with further diminishing effectiveness due to age.  Both safeties should be upgraded and not sure Bishop is an answer at either spot.   Hopefully they can get one more good year out of Benford before he has to medically retire or falls apart.  Elam might not be back.   It's a patchwork, aging and injury riddled/prone bunch and maybe a Garrett would cover a lot for that but I don't think it will be enough, still.   As much as McD can't seem to put together an elite defense I do think he can make another middling one out of chewing gum and popsicle sticks if necessary.

 

I think the last two games really exposed the Bills passing game though.   Nobody ate because defense's tighten up on JAG's in the postseason.   That's when you need stars to step up.   The Bills don't have those in the receiving/TE corps.  

 

And I will say that the Bills defense stepped up in the playoffs as well.   They were trash in-season.  Played much better against Denver and Baltimore.......until they lost Rapp.   Then lost Benford in KC.   I mean, if Howie Roseman was the Bills GM they could probably fix the D fairly quick with their limited chips but our personnel department hasn't proven to be at their level yet.   Given Beane's track record they aren't going to sign some dude like Baun on the cheap and turn him into an NFL DPOY candidate overnight, etc..  Might have to hire Doug Whaley back to run pro personnel and get a Lorax.