Maxx Crosby

[LABILLBACKER]

34 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Someone pointed out in another thread, maybe even last night, Groot crashing inside numerous times and taking himself out of the play, and letting the QB get out around the right side.

 

I saw it last night as well. But I also saw the same exact thing against Baltimore, Denver, and throughout the season. And not just Groot, whoever we had in at LDE.

 

The fact it has been going on all year, and by multiple players at that position, tells me a lot of our DE/DL problem is due to scheme and design.

Our defensive scheme is stupid.  It lacks discipline or self awareness.  It's like McDermott & Babs are asking the DE's to play nose tackle. I lost track at how many times Greg either fell or got lost in the B gap wash.  Meanwhile Patrick has tons of space to scramble outside.  

[Buffalo03]

Too good. Beane would rather waste another draft pick on a guy that gets 2 sacks a year

[Cheektowaga Chad]

With the raiders hiring of Pete Carroll, I doubt they are looking at a multi year rebuild in Las Vegas

 

In other words I doubt he is still considered available 

[boyst]

35 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Someone pointed out in another thread, maybe even last night, Groot crashing inside numerous times and taking himself out of the play, and letting the QB get out around the right side.

 

I saw it last night as well. But I also saw the same exact thing against Baltimore, Denver, and throughout the season. And not just Groot, whoever we had in at LDE.

 

The fact it has been going on all year, and by multiple players at that position, tells me a lot of our DE/DL problem is due to scheme and design.

when we cannot penetrate the pocket as a front to pressure the passer it doesn't work. if all 3 or 4 rushers did their part it would be effective against statue qbs who are unfit for the league.when you get the mobile qbs they slip outside of the crashes. when you get elite qbs who make throws on all 3 levels you see what stafford did.

 

our defensive scheme is pure crap and needs too many elite feautres to work. talent body for body wise we are as good as any other defense in the playoffs (when healthy).

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Interestingly enough, last year was the one and only year McD was the assigned DC.

 

Maybe it's Babich that is having the DE crash inside. I'd assume so a spy or looped could come around that open left side. But no one is.

 

I'd think, even if it was Babich, McD and his defensive mind would correct that.

 

For what it's worth, a lot of teams rotate DL, and when McD was in Carolina he greatly reduced the rotation once they got 4 producing studs on the DL. Maybe he's been waiting for that to happen?

Well he better be prepared to wait several more years because he and his buddy Brandon are clearly incapable of finding an elite DL player. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Bills trading for Myles Garrett and DJ Moore this offseason.

 

 

[DCofNC]

13 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Pretty sure McD has only gotten a single 10 sack season out of just one player— Leonard Floyd last year. 
 

Scheme and design must have at least a little something to do with that. That and his trademark “rotation” for maximum “freshness”. 

They don’t rotate nearly as much since Von told him he couldn’t get a rhythm that way.   That said, a rotation means everyone is equal, there’s nobody that’s clearly better than another so just keep mediocre fresh.  It’s basically what we have seen since McD has been here.  A bunch of guys who make no impact, just rotating in and out.  It’s a terrible system and it’s an indication of no difference making talent.  For the first few seasons it seemingly ALWAYS had the “backups” in on crucial downs because it was their turn, at least that has lessened.  
 

I know people think the scheme is why the line isn’t producing, but look at Miller, pre-injury, he was getting sacks.  Last year Floyd comes in and gets sacks.  Now look at the guys that have left… the DTs seem to go back to having an impact, at least Settle and Ford have and the DTs here are doing nothing, so from that standpoint I see an argument.  On the outside it looks like a complete lack of talent is the issue because guys can come in and produce in the system and if they aren’t producing, they go elsewhere and don’t produce. I think the scheme neuters the DTs bc they have to eat blockers, trying to hide Safties masquerading as LBs.  Edge guys? I think the ones we’ve seen/are currently on the roster just suck.

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I would, especially for Crosby whose only 27 as this team is so close to a SB winner and most key parts are all back next year.  I would prefer less, but at some point we NEED a difference maker on defense.  
 

Sign Jevon Holland, and be aggressive for a WR in the draft early (we have 2 seconds still and an extra 4th and an extra 5th) to use to move around if we need to.  Then draft 2 corners and some size at DL with our remaining picks.

 

 

 

 

Pickings are relatively slim at WR in this draft class.  2nd round talent this year would be day 3 quality in recent years.  Hard to expect year 1 starter results from day 3 pedigree.  Better off spending the money(and/or pick(s)) on a veteran boundary WR to try to close the deal.     

[Billz4ever]

53 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

This team’s single greatest need is an elite pass rusher.  Von was a swing and miss.  Groot and Epensa are pretty underwhelming.  Our priority this offseason should be obtaining an elite pass rusher.  I like Crosby.  I would even trade our first for him.  We’ll have some cap savings once we cut Von.  
 

Gettir done Beane

 

His contract aside, I'm sure LV is going to want more than just pick 30.  We'd basically be eating up most of any cap room we have plus giving up a ton of draft capital just on one player and hoping he turns into what we expected from Von and didn't get.

 

I think getting another run stuffing DT to replace Daquan is a bigger need IMO. 

Edited Monday at 04:52 PM by Billz4ever

[Cray51]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I would, especially for Crosby whose only 27 as this team is so close to a SB winner and most key parts are all back next year.  I would prefer less, but at some point we NEED a difference maker on defense.  
 

Sign Jevon Holland, and be aggressive for a WR in the draft early (we have 2 seconds still and an extra 4th and an extra 5th) to use to move around if we need to.  Then draft 2 corners and some size at DL with our remaining picks.

 

 

Same - 2 firsts for Crosby or Garrett is an EASY yes for me.  You trading picks 30/32 for a #1 OVR talent.  We have 2 seconds this year, you draft your WR/CB/DT.  Love the Holland signing as well

[T master]

53 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

This team’s single greatest need is an elite pass rusher.  Von was a swing and miss.  Groot and Epensa are pretty underwhelming.  Our priority this offseason should be obtaining an elite pass rusher.  I like Crosby.  I would even trade our first for him.  We’ll have some cap savings once we cut Von.  
 

Gettir done Beane

 

I think Brady won't allow it .

[34-78-83]

52 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

This team’s single greatest need is an elite pass rusher.  Von was a swing and miss.  Groot and Epensa are pretty underwhelming.  Our priority this offseason should be obtaining an elite pass rusher.  I like Crosby.  I would even trade our first for him.  We’ll have some cap savings once we cut Von.  
 

Gettir done Beane

I'd say elite pass rusher is the 2nd greatest need (with #1 WR being first).

 

We've got the picks and cap flexibility next year to make this happen (with a little luck of course).

[wppete]

There is a zero chance Pete Carroll and Tom Brady trade Max Crosby. Those guys know football and how important it is to have an elite Pass Rusher. Max is one of the best hands down. 

[JP51]

37 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Mad Max in Buffalo would be amazing but how about bringing Khalil Mack home he’s finally a free agent. 

Love the idea of him coming home.. but I am not sure that another edge on the downside of their career for big money is the move to make here... 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Every single defensive player is neutralized in this system. We have good players on defense. It’s the coach. Change that or who cares.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

I'd say elite pass rusher is the 2nd greatest need (with #1 WR being first).

 

We've got the picks and cap flexibility next year to make this happen (with a little luck of course).

 

My counter would be that at least on Offense we have Josh who can raise the level of WR play, and offense wasnt the problem most of this season (30+ points being the norm).

 

On defense, everything starts and stops with the DL and pass rush, and we have zero pass rush at the moment.

 

Having a pass rush would have helped immensely in covering for Rapp and Benford being out. Not allowing time for WRs to get deep, or plays to develop.

[JP51]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I think Brady won't allow it .

I agree... he is 27 so young he also has a 27mm cap hit next year so he would need to come with an extention... I am not saying they wont do it but the price would be really high... Garrett might be an easier target... it is the Browns after all... lol plus they may be more cap motivated and he is 29

Edited Monday at 05:00 PM by JP51

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Crosby made the rounds on NFLN shows a couple weeks ago and without coming out and saying it, he really didn't seem to hide the fact he would love to play for the Bills

 

His hometown Lions would be all over Crosby to pair with Hutchinson if he became available.   I think Myles G is more likely to be dealt this offseason given Cleveland's uniquely terrible QB situation but new Raiders HC Pete Carroll shocked everyone when his team traded Russell Wilson and then played better without him so who knows.

 

[nuklz2594]

he reminds me of bryce paup

[Billz4ever]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bills trading for Myles Garrett and DJ Moore this offseason.

 

 

 

I'd be OK with Garrett as long as it's not a long term deal.  He turns 30 in December. No more Von Miller-esque contracts for guys on the wrong side of 30.

 

Problem with that though is those guys want long term deals at that stage.

 

DJ Moore's contract is pretty gross. He's basically owed $23.5M every year through 2029.  I don't really think he's worth that IMO.

Edited Monday at 05:15 PM by Billz4ever