colin Posted Sunday at 02:40 AM Posted Sunday at 02:40 AM I'd give up cook and picks for Maxx if we also added a monster outside wr. Even then, I'd rather trade two picks for Maxx. I'd also look at a few other pass rushers for trade if available, and I'd throw some picks at DL as well. The Rams got serious pass rushers in the past couple drafts, they were monsters in the playoffs. We need top end talent, and then fill the holes w cheap young guys. That's exactly what the Rams and KC have done. 1 1 Quote
Dan Posted Sunday at 02:54 AM Posted Sunday at 02:54 AM 11 minutes ago, colin said: I'd give up cook and picks for Maxx if we also added a monster outside wr. Even then, I'd rather trade two picks for Maxx. I'd also look at a few other pass rushers for trade if available, and I'd throw some picks at DL as well. The Rams got serious pass rushers in the past couple drafts, they were monsters in the playoffs. We need top end talent, and then fill the holes w cheap young guys. That's exactly what the Rams and KC have done. You can’t say we need top end talent in the same post that you advocate for trading Cook. He is top end talent. You get better by keeping your top end talent and adding more… not by switching one out for the other. Second point, you shouldn’t use the Rams as your measuring stick for trades, because they were monsters in the playoffs. They got beat in the divisional round. We made it to the Championship game. We need to do better than the Rams. 4 2 Quote
Buffalo Junction Posted Sunday at 03:08 AM Posted Sunday at 03:08 AM 3 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I believe sportac has him at 8.5/9 million the last I checked Which I think if it's 10ish he is looking for you sign the deal If they extended Cook at a 4 year $38 million I’d be extremely content with that. 3 for $30MM wouldn’t be bad either assuming he keeps producing at his current clip. He’s pretty low mileage despite the output, and RBs that produce in the passing game and split carries generally last better; Kamara, Aaron Jones, etc. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see the market shift a bit after what Henry, Sayquon, and Jacobs did this season. 2 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted Sunday at 03:26 AM Posted Sunday at 03:26 AM I wouldn't complain with Crosby, but I'd rather pay that money to a guy like Higgins and give up no draft capital. Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted Sunday at 03:32 AM Posted Sunday at 03:32 AM 1 hour ago, Sojourner said: Oh for real? Thanks for that. always heard he was a Jets fan even though if he grew up in that area. Makes sense even more as to him sprinting to sign with them lol Yeh he was born in the Bronx but he went to high school in Whitehall PA which is pretty much Eaglesville and his families dream was watch him play for the Eagles it happens. Also he can kinda stick it Daboll and Schoen twice a year. Quote
colin Posted Sunday at 03:47 AM Posted Sunday at 03:47 AM 18 minutes ago, Dan said: You can’t say we need top end talent in the same post that you advocate for trading Cook. He is top end talent. You get better by keeping your top end talent and adding more… not by switching one out for the other. Second point, you shouldn’t use the Rams as your measuring stick for trades, because they were monsters in the playoffs. They got beat in the divisional round. We made it to the Championship game. We need to do better than the Rams. Nah, I said I'd be willing to if we also added high end talent to the o, but I'd rather give up another pick. Of cook was the only way to do it I would given a sick wr addition. I use the Rams because: They won a chip They put a 1 overall and an extension into a QB who got them to a chip but not a win, so they made moves to trade him and picks for staffy. They also traded a pick in season for miller (when he was still good) and traded picks for Jalen Ramsey as well, and have had big hits on draft picks. They were close but messed up the biggest thing which is QB, and still won a chip by not being risk averse and went and traded qbs. That's a huge thing to overcome and they did it. They also got themselves in cap jail before, got out and then won a chip with big cap moves, and are good yet again. They value too end talent above all else, particularly at top value positions, and will do what is necessary to get it. The bills have made aggressive in season moves, but for hines and Douglas and amari cooper (I think if he never broke his wrist he might have gotten us over, but the other two moves were not at all for too talent). We made the move of extending diggs for absolute tippy top wr money, at the wrong age and with his production declining. To me, that's a scaredy half measure. He wasn't worth that and they just would rather over pay their own guy who can't get it done than take a risk. The clearest issue from a sort of pro MCD POV is that we lack pass rush, now they made the move for von, but the contract reworkings (after von got hurt) and extension of diggs shut the door for them to really bring in a top pass rusher. I'm not a fan overall of our front office, but they saw a need for QB, wr, and pass rush and they made moves and at least for part of all of those they worked. They got a little gun shy imo and soaked up the cap and picks on non difference makers (all the fa dl, Knox type contracts) and didn't keep powder dry to make the splash they needed too. I hope they make the moves they need to this off season and get one too flight guy and one elite guy at two of Cb, de/Dr, wr 2 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted Sunday at 03:55 AM Posted Sunday at 03:55 AM 2 hours ago, Mister Defense said: Very very likely, and I think it is funny when people on here question whether we should trade our (end of the) first round picks for an elite player, like a Diggs, when we can. Their reasoning makes little sense, especially if the player we get is in his prime: we cannot give up draft picks... Of course we should! The Bills will likely never be in a position with Allen to get that elite d-lineman in the draft, unless they have mega draft capital to move far up, and then maybe they would sacrifice other areas of need if we do. The Bills will likely go after a Crosby or a Higgins in free agency this year, and may give up a #1 for Crosby. But it seems extremely unlikely the Raiders, or any team, would let a game changing D-lineman like him go for one draft pack, near the end of the first round. The draft is a crap shoot while a player like Crosby, if healthy, is not. Couldn’t agree more …. If they take a DE at pick 30, even if they get lucky and he is elite, its likely he is going to take a year or two to reach his full potential…if he was elite already then he would be going in the top 10… I would give up a first and second for Crosby … even that probably doesn’t do it though …. 2 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted Sunday at 12:23 PM Posted Sunday at 12:23 PM 13 hours ago, JP51 said: Agree it's hard to evaluate when the over all talent is deficient. These are two things I am looking at 1. Player regression under babich the majority of players under babich have regressed some of them young... Oliver, Bernard, Epenessa, Jones, Douglas, I feel like Rousseau and Williams flat lined if not regressed and Milano clearly regressed but you have injury. Rapp and Hamlin their prior body of work was not enough to judge but clearly are not starting quality at the top half. Edwards regressed so badly he couldn't even stay with the team... but again injury. I have zero people improving in a substantial way under him. 2. Lack of game plan anticipation. This defense routinely spotted it's opponent 30 minutes of suckitutde before adjusting in the end half. Excellent on adjusting credit to babich. Zero anticipation regarding what the other team will do to you based on your weakness. Most teams don't have 17 and would not be able to spot other teams like that. Bonus take turnover differentials are not the same year to year with out them it looks alot worse Your point 2 really hits home with me. It seemed almost guaranteed that the opposition would score on their first possession. 1 1 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted Sunday at 06:14 PM Posted Sunday at 06:14 PM So which side does Crosby play? That was one of the issues the past couple of years, whenever Miller came in, Groot would be forced to switch to other side and he didn't ever seem to be as good from the other side. Don't want to repeat that again. Or include Groot in the trade, but then the overall improvement of the team drops off considerably in even making the trade. Or maybe Crosby is good from both sides? Quote
Sojourner Posted Sunday at 06:17 PM Posted Sunday at 06:17 PM 2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So which side does Crosby play? That was one of the issues the past couple of years, whenever Miller came in, Groot would be forced to switch to other side and he didn't ever seem to be as good from the other side. Don't want to repeat that again. Or include Groot in the trade, but then the overall improvement of the team drops off considerably in even making the trade. Or maybe Crosby is good from both sides? He’s played both sides Ed. They move him wherever they feel the best matchup is. I’ve never seen him exclusively on the left or right end of the defenses he’s played in. 1 1 Quote
zevo Posted Sunday at 06:19 PM Posted Sunday at 06:19 PM anyone listen to rich Herrera today on national cbs radio? super interesting about Crosby being the player that gets under mahomes skin. Id say make that trade. 2 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Sunday at 06:32 PM Posted Sunday at 06:32 PM (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So which side does Crosby play? That was one of the issues the past couple of years, whenever Miller came in, Groot would be forced to switch to other side and he didn't ever seem to be as good from the other side. Don't want to repeat that again. Or include Groot in the trade, but then the overall improvement of the team drops off considerably in even making the trade. Or maybe Crosby is good from both sides? I think on 3rd down or obvious passing situations they should put Rousseau on the far outside of the guard back on the left side. He's way better rushing from the left. Crosby at left de. Oliver on the right side outside the guard and then sign pat jones and Charles omenihu for right de. I would then rotate Solomon in too So something like- Omenihu / P. Jones/ Rookie Oliver / Epenesa / Rookie Rousseau / D. Carter Crosby/ J. Solomon This would be my ideal depth chart for passing situations with two rookies pushing Epenesa for pass rush reps So I added 5 major pieces here and would like something similar with an overhaul in the secondary. My full dline depth chart Rousseau/. P. Jones / Epenesa or Rookie Oliver/ Carter/ Rookie Rookie or Fa/ D. Jones Crosby / C. Omenihu/ J. Solomon Edited Sunday at 06:40 PM by Kelly to Allen 1 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Sunday at 06:43 PM Posted Sunday at 06:43 PM (edited) The bills can save 17 million with a post June 1st cut of Von Miller. They can save 5 million by doing the same with Epenesa... That 22 million can seriously upgrade the dline alone in fa. Beane has to do a lot better here. We're all frustrated with McDermott. But the man doesn't have any blue chips on defense. That's on beane. Marv always used to say players win games Edited Sunday at 06:46 PM by Kelly to Allen 1 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted Sunday at 06:45 PM Posted Sunday at 06:45 PM Just now, Kelly to Allen said: The bills can save 17 million with a post June 1st cut of Von Miller. They can save 5 million by doing the same with Epenesa... The AJ deal isn’t horrible. Isn’t great either seeing as you let Floyd walk out the door. Id bet both moves are in serious contention. 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Sunday at 06:47 PM Posted Sunday at 06:47 PM (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sojourner said: The AJ deal isn’t horrible. Isn’t great either seeing as you let Floyd walk out the door. Id bet both moves are in serious contention. Outside Rousseau and Solomon, I don't think anyone is safe at de. You could really see up to 4 new faces if we keep 6 , which I think we will. Enough is enough I really like Rousseau and I like Solomon's traits and potential. That's literally it Edited Sunday at 06:48 PM by Kelly to Allen 2 Quote
nosejob Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM 15 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: I think on 3rd down or obvious passing situations they should put Rousseau on the far outside of the guard back on the left side. He's way better rushing from the left. Crosby at left de. Oliver on the right side outside the guard and then sign pat jones and Charles omenihu for right de. I would then rotate Solomon in too So something like- Omenihu / P. Jones/ Rookie Oliver / Epenesa / Rookie Rousseau / D. Carter Crosby/ J. Solomon This would be my ideal depth chart for passing situations with two rookies pushing Epenesa for pass rush reps I LIKE IT 1 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Sunday at 06:49 PM Posted Sunday at 06:49 PM Just now, nosejob said: I LIKE IT Can I be the GM? 1 Quote
nosejob Posted Sunday at 06:50 PM Posted Sunday at 06:50 PM Just now, Kelly to Allen said: Can I be the GM? At least Dline coach. 1 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Sunday at 06:52 PM Posted Sunday at 06:52 PM (edited) 1 minute ago, nosejob said: At least Dline coach. I watched the bills vs raiders old highlights in 1990 the other night. Omg was that a real pass rush. Bruce Smith and Bennett took the game over. We really gotta get that level of pass rush dominance Edited Sunday at 06:52 PM by Kelly to Allen Quote
zevo Posted Sunday at 07:02 PM Posted Sunday at 07:02 PM 9 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: I watched the bills vs raiders old highlights in 1990 the other night. Omg was that a real pass rush. Bruce Smith and Bennett took the game over. We really gotta get that level of pass rush dominance have we ever really had a pass rush under McD? im a full supporter of him. But Im just not sure this defense enables a dominant pass rush. Quote
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