We are currently negative 2.5 mill in cap space for 2025

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Trust The Process said:

OFFSEASON UFA’s, RFA’s, and ERFA’s

 

2 WR to replace Cooper and Hollins

1 TE to replace Morris

1 RB to replace Johnson

1 FB to replace Gilliam 

3 OT to replace Anderson, Doyle, and Van Demark

1 QB to replace Buechele 

2 CB’s to replace Douglass and Elam 

1 Safety to replace Hamlin 

1 LDE replace Smoot

1 RDE replace Miller (cap release)

3 LDT to replace Jones, Johnson, and Jefferson

1 RDT to replace Phillips

1 Long Snapper to replace Ferguson 

*Total of 19 players

 

7 PLAYERS I EXPECT TO RE-SIGN 

 

Hollins
Ty Johnson 
Gilliam
Anderson
Van Demark (re-signed today)
Smoot 
Ferguson 
 

*Hamlin has a 50/50 chance to get re-signed

Bills are currently 2.5M over the cap, but the good news is Beane can release Von Miller as a post June 1 designation that would save $17.4 million in cap space, and will find ways to create additional cap space
 

Bills potentially have 10 draft picks in the 2025 NFL Draft
 

1

2nd round picks 

two 4th round picks

*projected to receive two 5th round compensatory picks for losing Leonard Floyd to the San Francisco 49ers and Gabriel Davis to the Jacksonville Jaguars

two 6th round picks 
 

Beane and company have a ton of work to do to upgrade this team

 

i bet mack hollins, Reggie Gilliam, and especially Reid Ferguson get signed

 

 

[BillsFan130]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

how far was Thomas away from being drafted by us ?

 

how did he do this year?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thomas was picked at 23, Bills were at 28.

 

So would have had to move to

20-22 to get him

Thomas had an amazing year. Almost 1300 yards, 10 TDs and is looking like a superstar in the making 

Edited Monday at 11:36 PM by BillsFan130

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Thomas was picked at 23, Bills were at 28.

 

So would have had to move to 22 to get him,

Thomas had an amazing year. Almost 1300 yards, 10 TDs and is looking like a superstar in the making 

 

dang that would have been nice, we'd be in the Superbowl and had homefield advantage if we had that production.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

dang that would have been nice, we'd be in the Superbowl and had homefield advantage if we had that production.

 

 

Yep I agree.
 

And would still have your 3rd round pick this year, as they probably wouldn’t have had to trade for Cooper

[DCofNC]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Well if you don't resign Groot, you have a $14 mil cap hit this season, so tough not to sign him too.

Sometimes you need to admit the mistake and take your medicine.   Now I’ll go back on my soap box and say the 5th year option is for SUCKERS.  If a guy isn’t good enough to earn a real extension already, you shouldn’t be giving them a guaranteed year at nearly franchise tag price, it’s stupid.   You hand away your negotiating leverage, you can always franchise if the guy suddenly figures it out, but how often does that really happen?  You almost always end up paying more for no reason and it’s GUARANTEED a year ahead of seeing the performance.  Only idiots use the 5th year option and boy does Beane love to back himself into a corner with it.

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Yep I agree.
 

And would still have your 3rd round pick this year, as they probably wouldn’t have had to trade for Cooper

Yep, but boy trading up was off the table because they needed to recoup the 3rd round pick they lost filling a mid season hole.. so now you know what’s coming.. 

 

WR is the second highest paid position on the field, the Bills are scraping the bottom of the barrel and are too stupid to draft an elite one in the first round, year after year, so here we are.  Please tell me how great the Wizard of Beane has made the team.

[BillsFan130]

22 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Sometimes you need to admit the mistake and take your medicine.   Now I’ll go back on my soap box and say the 5th year option is for SUCKERS.  If a guy isn’t good enough to earn a real extension already, you shouldn’t be giving them a guaranteed year at nearly franchise tag price, it’s stupid.   You hand away your negotiating leverage, you can always franchise if the guy suddenly figures it out, but how often does that really happen?  You almost always end up paying more for no reason and it’s GUARANTEED a year ahead of seeing the performance.  Only idiots use the 5th year option and boy does Beane love to back himself into a corner with it.

Yep, but boy trading up was off the table because they needed to recoup the 3rd round pick they lost filling a mid season hole.. so now you know what’s coming.. 

 

WR is the second highest paid position on the field, the Bills are scraping the bottom of the barrel and are too stupid to draft an elite one in the first round, year after year, so here we are.  Please tell me how great the Wizard of Beane has made the team.

Yep- Overall Beane has built a good team. But just not enough elite talent.

 

Elam- 3 seasons played

Kincaid- 2

Coleman- 1

 

So 6 seasons in total from those guys

 

From his last 3 first round picks (I know Coleman is technically pick 33), he's only really had 1 productive season out of 6 from those guys. (Kincaid last year)

 

That's the difference right now between overall a very good team he's built, and a Super Bowl team 

Edited Tuesday at 01:51 AM by BillsFan130

[Ya Digg?]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Yep I agree.
 

And would still have your 3rd round pick this year, as they probably wouldn’t have had to trade for Cooper

Not saying in hindsight it wouldn’t have been a good deal, but the Bills probably would’ve lost that pick in a trade to get Thomas, so they wouldn’t have it 

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Not saying in hindsight it wouldn’t have been a good deal, but the Bills probably would’ve lost that pick in a trade to get Thomas, so they wouldn’t have it 

That's true. Most likely would have been a 2024 2nd and change.

So in hindsight it would have probably been swapping 1sts, cole bishop and Maybe someone like Javon Solomon for Brian Thomas 

Edited Tuesday at 02:00 AM by BillsFan130

[DCofNC]

15 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Yep- Overall Beane has built a good team. But just not enough elite talent.

 

Elam- 3 seasons played

Kincaid- 2

Coleman- 1

 

So 6 seasons in total from those guys

 

From his last 3 first round picks (I know Coleman is technically pick 33), he's only really had 1 productive season out of 6 from those guys. (Kincaid last year)

 

That's the difference right now between overall a very good team he's built, and a Super Bowl team 

Well said.  There’s a huge lack of difference makers and that’s what you are supposed to come up with in the 1st round.

[TurfToeJam]

Bills should sign every great player.  Win the super bowl.  Then worry about fines, etc  the following years.  What does league do if team over the cap?  Totally worth it.   (Just joking around.)

 

But seriously, has a team actually ever been over the cap?  If so what were the ramifications?

Edited Tuesday at 02:35 AM by TurfToeJam

[peterpan]

10 hours ago, K D said:

The cap isn't real. Look at the Eagles. They outspend us on every position it seems. Don't make no sense.

April 2023 Hurts new contract was the most ever in nfl history.  They have two $100 million receivers and the highest paid running back and I presume a highly paid OL seeing as it’s the best OL in the league.  
 

and a stud filled defense.  

20 minutes ago, TurfToeJam said:

Bills should sign every great player.  Win the super bowl.  Then worry about fines, etc  the following years.  What does league do if team over the cap?  Totally worth it.  

 

 

They didn’t do anything when the cheats sheared their way to a half dozen superbowls

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Sometimes you need to admit the mistake and take your medicine.   Now I’ll go back on my soap box and say the 5th year option is for SUCKERS.  If a guy isn’t good enough to earn a real extension already, you shouldn’t be giving them a guaranteed year at nearly franchise tag price, it’s stupid.   You hand away your negotiating leverage, you can always franchise if the guy suddenly figures it out, but how often does that really happen?  You almost always end up paying more for no reason and it’s GUARANTEED a year ahead of seeing the performance.  Only idiots use the 5th year option and boy does Beane love to back himself into a corner with it. 

 

WR is the second highest paid position on the field, the Bills are scraping the bottom of the barrel and are too stupid to draft an elite one in the first round, year after year, so here we are.  Please tell me how great the Wizard of Beane has made the team.

 

I guess there's 32 suckers in the league as seems like most years at least 75% of the teams use the 5th year option and it's not the same 75% every year, the GM's all use it  more often than not.

 

2nd best overall record in the league over the past 5 years.  Without the elite WR they still either led the league or were in 2nd in most offense categories. That's how Beane did it.

[DCofNC]

54 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I guess there's 32 suckers in the league as seems like most years at least 75% of the teams use the 5th year option and it's not the same 75% every year, the GM's all use it  more often than not.

 

2nd best overall record in the league over the past 5 years.  Without the elite WR they still either led the league or were in 2nd in most offense categories. That's how Beane did it.

Beane did it because Josh Allen carried his sorry ass.  Check the top 100 players list, all pro voting, etc.  The Bills have a joke roster in respect to impact players.  They have a collection of decent to good players, most getting over paid for their production level, and a QB that literally drags them to wins. 
 

On the 5th year option, the number is closer to 50% and still the majority of those are done to guys they intend on extending and need leverage on, as in a Jamar Chase, or it’s just stupid.  If you let a guy play on the 5th year option, you don’t know wtf you are doing as a team.  That’s an indication the guy wasn’t worth extending, so you essentially took the bait.  Now you have a player that is either 1) not worth what you are paying or 2) Is going to price themselves WAY higher for the extension you should have signed them to earlier if the have a big year.  It’s pure fools gold. 

[ghostwriter]

6 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, but to sign Groot will be a big contract for a decent player, it’s the way you go to cap jail.  He’s going to demand top 10-15 money and he’s just not impactful, you can’t resign those guys and win.

He’s had probably 20 TFL throughout this season, including the playoffs.. I would rather we cut Von Miller and AJE and repurpose that money towards Groot.

 

Outside of Groot I think we should extend James Cook and Khalil Shakir. I don’t care if Shakir is a true #1 and I don’t care if Cook is a RB, they’re both weapons.

[NoName]

16 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

We’re in decent cap shape.  Miller is the only bad contract still on the books.  Most of the starters are signed to fair deals.  Give Cook a raise.  I’m not signing anybody else before I have to including benford, shakir, and rousseau.  

Dawson Knox and his contract?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Beane did it because Josh Allen carried his sorry ass.  Check the top 100 players list, all pro voting, etc.  The Bills have a joke roster in respect to impact players.  They have a collection of decent to good players, most getting over paid for their production level, and a QB that literally drags them to wins. 
 

On the 5th year option, the number is closer to 50% and still the majority of those are done to guys they intend on extending and need leverage on, as in a Jamar Chase, or it’s just stupid.  If you let a guy play on the 5th year option, you don’t know wtf you are doing as a team.  That’s an indication the guy wasn’t worth extending, so you essentially took the bait.  Now you have a player that is either 1) not worth what you are paying or 2) Is going to price themselves WAY higher for the extension you should have signed them to earlier if the have a big year.  It’s pure fools gold. 

 

Hmm So I guess you're smarter than 50% of the GM's out there then.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

how far was Thomas away from being drafted by us ?

 

how did he do this year?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 picks - probably would've basically cost us everything we got in the diggs trade.  

6 hours ago, NoName said:

Dawson Knox and his contract?

 

He's here through the year imo - even as a post-june cut you only save like 4.5M.  Then you'd either draft a replacement, or sign someone - either way that consumes some of the savings, and anyone available in that under 5M range is likely a bit more limited as a player.  

[GunnerBill]

I can get the Bills to $40/45m in space pretty quickly with the only cuts being Daquan Jones and Von Miller. 

 

There are a few obvious restructures - the likes of Knox, Milano, Oliver, Samuel and an extension for Rousseau. If you did a Josh Allen extension that is gonna free up more space too - possibly up to $20m worth. 

 

That is before Benford, Cook and Bernard potential extension decisions. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

20 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Yep I agree.
 

And would still have your 3rd round pick this year, as they probably wouldn’t have had to trade for Cooper

 

I understand the Cooper trade, but the mistake Beane made was not getting separators last offseason and draft, Josh does better with those WRs but for some crazy reason he decided to get big body guys.

 

Josh was at his best with Brown and Beasley.

 

 

[Pete]

Marino today discussed the cap.  The Bills are not over the cap.  They will have between a $15-30 million surplus.  We will create cap space as needed.

18 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I understand the Cooper trade, but the mistake Beane made was not getting separators last offseason and draft, Josh does better with those WRs but for some crazy reason he decided to get big body guys.

 

Josh was at his best with Brown and Beasley.

 

 

The big bodied receivers I agree with.  I agree though that the Bills have been lacking deep threats and route runners who can separate