We are currently negative 2.5 mill in cap space for 2025

[GASabresIUFan]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Well, they extended Mike White, so that certainly raises the question.

That was really done to best utilize the 3rd QB rule during the playoffs.  By having him on the active roster, they could make him inactive on gameday, but still utilize him as the emergency 3rd QB if the need arose. 

[K-9]

Just now, GASabresIUFan said:

That was really done to best utilize the 3rd QB rule during the playoffs.  By having him on the active roster, they could make him inactive on gameday, but still utilize him as the emergency 3rd QB if the need arose. 

I understand that which is why I thought it was a good idea at the time. Still raises a question about Trubisky, imo. 

[machine gun kelly]

Guys, don’t worry about it.  Cooper doesn’t have the speed he had back in the day, Von will save us $, and there’s a bunch of others.

[ngbills]

A few releases and restructures and we are at $40-50M. 

[biggerdaddynj]

3 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

Why is it unrealistic for Von to retire and then turn around and join the front office or staff? That is doable and that salary doesn't count against us.

Do we get comp picks?? 😉

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, nucci said:

Roseman one of the best

And there was a year or two where Eagles fans were calling for his head, even after winning them a Super Bowl. 

[DCofNC]

5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Worst part is: They trade up for Elam and Kincaid...

 

But they don't trade up for a guy like Brian Thomas.

 

If Coleman flames out, gonna set this team back big time. As you can't have 3 first round busts in a row.

Absolutely.  This year they were hell bent on trading back to get their 3rd round pick back because they just couldn’t live without another rotational DT.  Instead of trading up to get a legit #1 WR on a team that was in OBVIOUS NEED and is the second highest paid position in the NFL, so a 1st round pick is extremely valuable to lock one in on a low dollar contract.  
 

Like you said, no problem wasting picks to go up for a CB or TE, but then going blind to the idea because they wanted a 3rd round pick back.   I’m really not at all impressed with Beane.  He rolled the dice once and hit on Allen.  He hasn’t hit on anything in the first round since. He really hasn’t gotten a lot out of the first 3 rounds if we are honest.  In 7 years he’s got a QB and a RB who are top end talent, everyone else ranges from pretty good to utter bust.  The fact the team got so far this year is amazing.

[Returntoglory]

Should we start a Bills Mafia GoFundMe for to assist with our Cap Space?

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 Another low hanging fruit is sign Groot to new contract which removes 5th year option salary saving maybe close to $10 mil.  And Allen would be a 3rd big saving, easily knock maybe $15 mil off the top

Yeah, but to sign Groot will be a big contract for a decent player, it’s the way you go to cap jail.  He’s going to demand top 10-15 money and he’s just not impactful, you can’t resign those guys and win.

[Trust The Process]

OFFSEASON UFA’s, RFA’s, and ERFA’s

 

2 WR to replace Cooper and Hollins

1 TE to replace Morris

1 RB to replace Johnson

1 FB to replace Gilliam 

3 OT to replace Anderson, Doyle, and Van Demark

1 QB to replace Buechele 

2 CB’s to replace Douglass and Elam 

1 Safety to replace Hamlin 

1 LDE replace Smoot

1 RDE replace Miller (cap release)

3 LDT to replace Jones, Johnson, and Jefferson

1 RDT to replace Phillips

1 Long Snapper to replace Ferguson 

*Total of 19 players

 

7 PLAYERS I EXPECT TO RE-SIGN 

 

Hollins
Ty Johnson 
Gilliam
Anderson
Van Demark (re-signed today)
Smoot 
Ferguson 
 

*Hamlin has a 50/50 chance to get re-signed

Bills are currently 2.5M over the cap, but the good news is Beane can release Von Miller as a post June 1 designation that would save $17.4 million in cap space, and will find ways to create additional cap space
 

Bills potentially have 10 draft picks in the 2025 NFL Draft
 

1

2nd round picks 

two 4th round picks

*projected to receive two 5th round compensatory picks for losing Leonard Floyd to the San Francisco 49ers and Gabriel Davis to the Jacksonville Jaguars

two 6th round picks 
 

Beane and company have a ton of work to do to upgrade this team

Edited Monday at 10:04 PM by Trust The Process
Van Demark re-signed today

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

16 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, but to sign Groot will be a big contract for a decent player, it’s the way you go to cap jail.  He’s going to demand top 10-15 money and he’s just not impactful, you can’t resign those guys and win.

Well if you don't resign Groot, you have a $14 mil cap hit this season, so tough not to sign him too.

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Well if you don't resign Groot, you have a $14 mil cap hit this season, so tough not to sign him too.

Can’t they just create void years like they did with Rasul Douglas this season?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

Can’t they just create void years like they did with Rasul Douglas this season?

 

I doubt you can do that with a 5th year option.  He has no contract beyond 2025, so to create void years would need a contract to start with.  Even when void years are created it's not done unilaterally, player needs to sign off and even if Groot wanted to, there's not contract to sign off on. 

 

The Bills have 3 options with Groot, let him playout the 5th year option at just under $14 mil

 

Take the $14mil cap hit

 

Sign him to a new contract with a signing bonus spread over years and then could add void year, but you're not going to sign him to a new contract and then turn around and cut him as that would very likely cost even more.

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, K D said:

The cap isn't real. Look at the Eagles. They outspend us on every position it seems. Don't make no sense.

The cap is very real. NFL player contracts are not though - except for signing bonuses and fully guaranteed dollars. The Eagles have led the way in aggressively manipulating cap dollars by continually converting salary to signing bonuses and utilizing void years. This allows them to outspend more traditional teams by about 15%. That’s a huge advantage for teams with owners who are willing to spend. 

[BarleyNY]

17 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Can’t they just create void years like they did with Rasul Douglas this season?

Yes, if Rousseau agrees to it. That would kick some of his 2025 cap hit to 2026. The Browns added 4 void years to Jedrick Wills contract to do that this season. The only real difference to the player is that any games they are suspended will have less salary attached to them, which is obviously a good thing. The only negative is that giving their team cap relief hurts their negotiating position for an extension. There is usually no impact on when players get paid since teams usually structure the payments exactly the same as the salary would have been paid out. That’s negotiable, obviously. 

[Mango]

4 hours ago, y2zipper said:

 

Yeah they have 7 at a minimum depending on the projected cap. The other one i saw is post June 1, Knox could save another 5. not sure i would cut Milano or Knox, but the rest i would definitely do.

I’ve actually like Knox very much this year. I’m much happier with him than Kincaid. If we can extend him at a cheaper AAV than he has now I would. 

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, JP51 said:

I guess I will never understand the cap truly... I just keep hearing we are in much better position next year.

 

We are. -2.5m is a FAR greater situation than -54m.

 

When you extend Josh, release Von, release, restructure, or pay cut others - that number is going to change from -2.5 to a large double digit number in the positives.

 

Then there's who we may be replacing this year vs. who we were replacing next year. Last year we lost 4/5 of our WR Core, both our starting Safeties, a starting Center, a starting Defensive End, former starters in Dane Jackson, Tyrel Dodson, and Tre White, plus 13 other important depth or role players - a whopping 23 players in total. And that's AFTER re-signing AJ Epenesa, Daquan Jones, Taylor Rapp, David Edwards, Ty Johnson, and Cam Lewis. So the number we started with having to replace or re-sign was 29. All with FAR less money than we'll have this year.

 

This year, that number is 16. Which will be 17 after you move on from Von. And the list of people needing to re-sign or replace is easier in terms of importance to the team as well. Most of the list you can fill with Day 3 Draft Picks (of which we have 7), UDFA's, Budget FA's, or re-signing them to minimum deals. That list is:

 

WR Amari Cooper

CB Rasul Douglas

WR Mack Hollins

DE Von Miller (almost a lock to be released)

FS Damar Hamlin

RB Ty Johnson

FB Reggie Gilliam

TE Quintin Morris

DE Dawuane Smoot 

TE Quintin Morris

DT Austin Johnson

LS Reid Ferguson

OT Ryan Van Demark

OG Alec Anderson

DT Quintin Jefferson

DT Jordan Phillips

QB Shane Buechele

OT Tommy Doyle

 

SO..... long story short, yes, we are in a MUCH better situation this year to build the roster. I think some of you took that as we'd be going into this season with a bunch of money to spend right out of the gate before we made moves. That was never the case, as just to field a team this year, most of our deals had to include bigger hits in contracts this season. But as opposed to last year, freeing up the cap space in extensions, releases, re-structures, and pay cuts won't be to get to zero from -54m. It'll be to actually have money to spend. 

Edited Monday at 10:55 PM by BillsFanForever19

[billsfan714]

13 minutes ago, Mango said:

I’ve actually like Knox very much this year. I’m much happier with him than Kincaid. If we can extend him at a cheaper AAV than he has now I would. 

Knox is way over paid for his production.   

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Knox is way over paid for his production.   

Right. And extending him at a lesser AAV than his current oils also help spread out his over value against the cap. 

EDIT: FWIW I would have liked to get him more targets this year.

 

Edited Monday at 10:58 PM by Mango

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Worst part is: They trade up for Elam and Kincaid...

 

But they don't trade up for a guy like Brian Thomas.

 

If Coleman flames out, gonna set this team back big time. As you can't have 3 first round busts in a row.

 

how far was Thomas away from being drafted by us ?

 

how did he do this year?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:10 PM by Buffalo Barbarian