Definition of insanity

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Being scheme versatile is not a flaw, imo.

 

Fair but Benford and Douglas are much better zone corners. Then you're asking them to play man coverage in the highest stakes- Seems counter intuitive to me 

[T master]

5 minutes ago, Dubie54 said:

Respectfully disagree. “Supposed to be in the basement” - hardly. We can beat KC during the season but choke in the playoffs - what does that tell you about coaching? What’s standing in our way every year is a risk adverse coach who can’t step up under pressure.

 

I Respectfully disagree ! Yes McD is not in any way perfect i think (well we know where you and others stand but) there were a couple things i feel he could have & should have stepped in on and over ruled his coaches that he put in place and trusts to do the job and didn't but i feel will learn as he has in the past from those things .

 

As far as your response to the Bills being in the basement which i too though with Josh alone there's no way but sorry you like me are ONLY a fan not the people that live, eat, sleep & S**T football year round, and at the beginning of this season which you have apparently Misremembered ALL of those supposed experts said that, because of the Bills getting rid of Diggs, Davis, Morris, Floyd, Poyer, Hyde, were in no way expected to win their division let alone make it to the AFC Championship game ! 

 

Then given the injuries which you have forgotten about through out the year, No MIllano at first, Bernard out at times, Hamlin out at times, Benford out at times, Shakir dinged, Smoot hurt, Spector on IR, Rapp out at times, Samuel, Cooper, Carter, Coleman, Kincaid, Williams, Brown, Douglas, Johnson, all hurt at some time and still COACHED to win their division with a clean sweep other than not playing their starters against the Pats the last game and then beat both number 1 teams in each division to go to the AFC Championship game .

 

Not real sure but McD proved all the experts wrong and to me just like myself you are a arm chair QB just a fan and you r opinion to me is seen as such from the sight line of a pissed off fan that disagrees with the so called "Experts" which say although McD to this point hasn't slayed the big bad dragon is one of the top coaches in the entire league .

 

So sorry i'll believe them over "A Fan" every time, but maybe that's just me ... GO BILLS  !!! 

[T master]

19 minutes ago, BananaB said:

It doesn’t matter what the talking heads expectations were. All that matters is the final result and the Bills final result seems to be the same every year

 

No not really . What game were they out of the play offs last year ? What game did they make it to this year ? 

 

The only thing that is the same is the same team put them out of the play offs but they did the same to the Ravens last season an who ever else they face .

 

So this year because of the out come of some teams seasons John Harbaugh, Payton, Ryans, Jim Harbaugh, Campbell, Bowles, Tomlin, McD, should all be fired then because they didn't get their teams to the SB ? 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Unless you have an actual viable solution, this is nothing but more complaining.

They've arguably been the second best team in the NFL for the last 5 years and would probably have a couple Lombardis if it weren't for the Chiefs.

Mahomes/Reid/Spagnuolo are not only the best combo in the NFL but one of the best in its entire history.

What is your realistic solution to get past them, because blowing it all up ain't it.

Bingo. Nothing to do but keep chugging along, hoping that someday you may be Drew Brees and the Saints, consistently competitive, and maybe one time sneaking by Brady's Pats and Manning's Colts.

[Dubie54]

10 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I Respectfully disagree ! Yes McD is not in any way perfect i think (well we know where you and others stand but) there were a couple things i feel he could have & should have stepped in on and over ruled his coaches that he put in place and trusts to do the job and didn't but i feel will learn as he has in the past from those things .

 

As far as your response to the Bills being in the basement which i too though with Josh alone there's no way but sorry you like me are ONLY a fan not the people that live, eat, sleep & S**T football year round, and at the beginning of this season which you have apparently Misremembered ALL of those supposed experts said that, because of the Bills getting rid of Diggs, Davis, Morris, Floyd, Poyer, Hyde, were in no way expected to win their division let alone make it to the AFC Championship game ! 

 

Then given the injuries which you have forgotten about through out the year, No MIllano at first, Bernard out at times, Hamlin out at times, Benford out at times, Shakir dinged, Smoot hurt, Spector on IR, Rapp out at times, Samuel, Cooper, Carter, Coleman, Kincaid, Williams, Brown, Douglas, Johnson, all hurt at some time and still COACHED to win their division with a clean sweep other than not playing their starters against the Pats the last game and then beat both number 1 teams in each division to go to the AFC Championship game .

 

Not real sure but McD proved all the experts wrong and to me just like myself you are a arm chair QB just a fan and you r opinion to me is seen as such from the sight line of a pissed off fan that disagrees with the so called "Experts" which say although McD to this point hasn't slayed the big bad dragon is one of the top coaches in the entire league .

 

So sorry i'll believe them over "A Fan" every time, but maybe that's just me ... GO BILLS  !!! 

No dispute here, I am an arm chair QB who has watched football for 50+ years. The guys we got rid of, Driggs etc. that were supposed to plummet us to the basement. Driggs was a whiner at the end and I’ll take Shakir over him any day - at least Shakir doesn’t just lay down to avoid getting hit. All the others you mentioned were no great loss, except for maybe Floyd - but he always tired as the year went on. I think what surprised the so-called experts was the fact that we had personnel who could step in and exceed expectations. 
Every team has to deal with injuries so that’s baked in. 

 

I am not saying Mcd is a bad coach, far from it, but I am saying he cannot coach under pressure. He has proven it time and again. 

[Jay_Fixit]

That’s not the definition of insanity at all.

[ddaryl]

Plain and simple.. We were beat by the better, superior team. We were close but its a game of inches and KC was able to win those inches

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Unless you have an actual viable solution, this is nothing but more complaining.

They've arguably been the second best team in the NFL for the last 5 years and would probably have a couple Lombardis if it weren't for the Chiefs.

Mahomes/Reid/Spagnuolo are not only the best combo in the NFL but one of the best in its entire history.

What is your realistic solution to get past them, because blowing it all up ain't it.

 

Us fans will have all kinds of opinions across the entire spectrum of choices.  None of that really bothers me.

 

I want to hear from Beane, McDermott and the players after this loss and what their thoughts are about going forward.

Terry Pegula makes these decisions, and they need to answer to him about the plans going forward.

 

My hope has been that this group can figure out how to get a Lombardi.  4 losses to the Chiefs means "something" has to change.

Beane and McDermott need to figure out what that "something" is.  I hope they don't lose the locker room.

[T master]

7 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Plain and simple.. We were beat by the better, superior team. We were close but its a game of inches and KC was able to win those inches

 

Thank you !! It only takes 1 or 2 plays in the game and 1 point to be the winner .

[nuklz2594]

we need to change the defense. we have one of THE smallest dlines in the league. the "scheme" aint working. i miss wade phillips. guy could coach a defense. need total defense rebuild. 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Unless you have an actual viable solution

This is an absurd standard.  It is like saying you can't know your steak is  overcooked at a restaurant, unless you are willing to identify who you want to re-cook the steak.  The defense has been bad in every chiefs playoff game. special teams have been awful in every single chiefs playoff game.   Its fair for people to desire that something change, without identifying the specifics of the change. 

3 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said:

we need to change the defense. we have one of THE smallest dlines in the league. the "scheme" aint working. i miss wade phillips. guy could coach a defense. need total defense rebuild. 

This seems to be the obvious gap.  The defense works pretty well, when the front four can get pressure on their own.  This works decently against poor olines, and teams without top QBs.  But it seems to be well demonstrated that top QBs and olines are going to score more than 30 against the Bills on a regular basis.  

The bizzare thing to me is that the defense is clearly small but also seems to be slow. 

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, Chaos said:

This is an absurd standard.  It is like saying you can't know your steak is  overcooked at a restaurant, unless you are willing to identify who you want to re-cook the steak.  The defense has been bad in every chiefs playoff game. special teams have been awful in every single chiefs playoff game.   Its fair for people to desire that something change, without identifying the specifics of the change. 

 

Oh my God, somebody do something!

 

[Heavy Kevi]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

You make that argument but at the end of it, that guy wasn't good enough to beat the historically great Reid/Mahomes/Spagnuolo combo.

There is nothing in my mind to indicate that the next guy will be that historically good either.

 

Totally. You are right on about it in this post.

 

But we know for sure that McD can't, so we should probably try something else, no? Otherwise we are just wasting away with no hope.

 

There have been quite a few good options over the last couple years too, we just didn't get in on the conversation. Let's even pretend that there aren't great coaches in the making that us fans don't know about... And we can at least say we could have tried Ben Johnson, Jim Harbaugh, Vrabel, etc. We could have our pick of anyone because we have Josh Allen and the chiefs job ain't coming up anytime soon.

 

There is no guarantee that anyone would be better. That is 100% true. But it's closer to a guarantee that McDermott can't get it done.

 

I refuse to believe the devil you know is better than the devil you don't and live in fear of a worse coach when we know we can't get to the promised land with our current leadership.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'm not comparing the teams or situation. I'm comparing what the fans knew at the time since the question keeps getting pushed back on us "Well who do you replace him with?" as if that is a trump card that ends the debate.

 

We (us civilians) arent privy to that information. But we all can see a change is needed. The same we could in 2016.

 

I just think that hiring some hot young prospect and expecting him to grow into the best coach in the world is a pipe dream and that it's far more likely to lead to a step backward than the step forward we want.

[GerstAusGosheim]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

McDermott's system doesn't work against top teams, and Andy Reid chews him up every playoff game.  

 

McDermott's Playoff Defenses: Bend but don't win.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Who is this mysterious young stranger and how long will he take to "grow" into one of the best coaches in NFL history?

Finding a coach to improve on the 2nd best team in the NFL so that he can beat the best team in the NFL isn't that hard?

Sorry, but you are simply living in fantasy land.

 

 

They were not running heavy zone schemes last night.

 

This must be exhausting for you. 

 

Nobody wants to hear reason right now. Everybody is just lurking until it’s time to come out of the woodwork and complain about everyone and everything. If we won last night but lost the next one, the complaints will be largely the same, and generally unfounded. Nobody said it would be easy. I had a great time this season. I wish it had lasted longer, but I was a very fun year of football for me and I like our future. 

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I just think that hiring some hot young prospect and expecting him to grow into the best coach in the world is a pipe dream and that it's far more likely to lead to a step backward than the step forward we want.

 

What is the step backwards really look like? Given the state of the division and us having a Josh, we own the AFC East for the next 3 years. Playoffs is the absolute floor.

 

So the step back will be?... Exiting the playoffs on bad coaching?

[Simon]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

So the step back will be?... Exiting the playoffs on bad coaching?

 

I'd guess it potentially looks something like, not as good as handling injury adversity during the regular season and as a result ending up the 3rd/4th seed.

Then getting knocked out of the playoffs by the Baltimores of the world before we even had a chance to go up against the Chiefs.

 

31 minutes ago, Augie said:

I had a great time this season. I wish it had lasted longer, but I was a very fun year of football for me and I like our future. 

 

I'm mostly onboard with this.

The only sketchy thing for me this season was that for the first time in 30+ years my wife decided she liked football and insisted on watching every game with me (with the 100 requisite weekly questions). Even to the point that she made me bail early on a beautiful snow hike to get home in time to see the backups play NE in the season finale. My wife is smart, fun, hot and I like her very much. But I'm still not entirely sure what I think of this unexpected development. 

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'd guess it potentially looks something like, not as good as handling injury adversity during the regular season and as a result ending up the 3rd/4th seed.

Then getting knocked out of the playoffs by the Baltimores of the world before we even had a chance to go up against the Chiefs.

 

Oh so you mean a step back in time to 2023.

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Oh so you mean a step back in time to 2023.

 

In 2023 we won a playoff game before losing by 3 to the Chiefs.