Confidence in Beane?

[K D]

I think we need a splash this off-season. The Diggs contract is gone so use that money on either a top WR or DE. Who's with me?

[Beast]

My confidence level in him is more than good.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

He’s a good, competent GM. He really is.  It’s a very tough job and the hit rates for the best GMs aren’t that high. He’s doing well in that regard. My only real complaints about him are that he hasn’t hit on any elite talent (other than obviously Allen) and that he has focused so much on the defensive side of the ball that it’s been detrimental to the offense. 

I don’t like what Beane after the 2022 season.  The Bills needed WR help, so he drafted Dalton Kincaid.  Kincaid was horrible at blocking so he split time with Knox.  The Bills now need multiple WR’s, so Beane signs another slot WR in Samuel and drafts Keon Coleman.

 

None of these moves worked out so now what’s a top priority… WR

[T master]

10 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Beane hasn’t proven he knows how to build a dline and McDermott hasn’t proven he knows how to get the most out of one! How confident are you going forward that we’ll even sign or draft an impact player this offseason? This defense needs a pass rusher, impact DT, cover corner and an impact safety. Thats a lot to hit on in one offseason.

His trades for offensive weapons haven’t been good either…..free agency has been even worse. Been along time since we signed Beasley, Brown and traded for Diggs….been a dumpster fire since then!

 

Please name me a dumpster fire that has won their division 4 to 5 years in a row, and has went to 2 AFC Championship games, yes they have fallen short but dumpster fire i'd say NOT .

 

And look around who are the ONLY TWO teams to pull this off in the last say 7 years ?

 

Buffalo & Kansas City - Thank you ...

[GASabresIUFan]

29 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

You were using the dead cap as an excuse for his inability to construct a roster with difference makers. Hes the one that made that task even harder

All I was saying is that last year was a transition year from the old core to the new core.  The team way over achieved this season and this transition is going to continue as Miller and others move on.  I never said that he was trying to add difference makers last year.  This team has plenty of difference makers in Allen, Cook, Dawkins, Brown, Benford (when healthy), Milano, Taron Johnson among others.  This team also has holes which I expect Beane to fill through the draft and select FAs.  

 

The holes are DL, WR and CB.  

[BarleyNY]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t like what Beane after the 2022 season.  The Bills needed WR help, so he drafted Dalton Kincaid.  Kincaid was horrible at blocking so he split time with Knox.  The Bills now need multiple WR’s, so Beane signs another slot WR in Samuel and drafts Keon Coleman.

 

None of these moves worked out so now what’s a top priority… WR

 

I can’t argue with any of that. I did waffle between choices 2 and 3 so that’s more specifically where I am on Beane. I gave him the benefit of doubt because since Allen’s draft he’s been hamstrung in the first by picking so late. The luster is definitely gone. 

 

It’s not just WR. Rush DE, CB, DT (1 tech) and S are all big needs. We need to find difference makers at rush DE and WR too. That is not easy. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

25 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

We've experienced this undersized defenders craze in the not to distant past. I remember when Wade Phiiips was the HC and the Bills had the No. 1 defense in 1999 and No. 6 in 2000. A pretty physical group. Then came the Titans playoff loss, the Flutie/Johnson debate, and Wade got fired for not following Wilson's directive to fire the ST coach (I think). Then they hired Greg Williams and I think it was him that said "no fat guys" we're going with smaller, athletic players on D. It might have been him that let Pat Williams go and other defenders while Greg went on to post a 3 year record of 17-31.

So Mr. Beane. Get some "fat guys". That can tie up blockers and push the pocket into the QBs face. 

 

My prediction is the brain trust writes this latest soul crushing loss off as the untimely loss of Benford and Rapp compromising the back end. The problem is Rapp is injured often and Douglas is a FA. Our depth in the secondary is not worthy of a championship team. Hamlin should be a backup and an important decision has to be made on extending Rousseau.  I know this team was thought to be in a rebuild after losing our #1and 2 receivers and rearranging the O-line with an OC in his first full season, but now the defense needs major changes after potentially losing 4 or 5 starters(Miller, Rousseau, Douglas, Jones, Hamlin)  Beane’s perennial salary cap issues requires bold and creative personnel moves. I like Sean and his record speaks for itself. It may be time though to consider a different vision for our team’s direction. There’s a feeling that a HC voice stops being effective at about 10 years. I think the biggest mistake someone can make is thinking that doing the same things unsuccessfully will somehow reap rewards next time. Thats what we are going through.

[uticaclub]

17 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

All I was saying is that last year was a transition year from the old core to the new core.  The team way over achieved this season and this transition is going to continue as Miller and others move on.  I never said that he was trying to add difference makers last year.  This team has plenty of difference makers in Allen, Cook, Dawkins, Brown, Benford (when healthy), Milano, Taron Johnson among others.  This team also has holes which I expect Beane to fill through the draft and select FAs.  

 

The holes are DL, WR and CB.  

You don’t have transition years with an elite QB thats 28 and you hadn’t won anything.

[GerstAusGosheim]

Sean should have been fired after 13 seconds. And after watching Elam, Kincaid, and Coleman play last night, Beane needs to go, too.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Do you people really think that if the Bills hadn't drafted Kaiir Elam that he would have dropped to the 4th round because Beane sucks and everyone else is so much better? Do you think that if the Bills hadn't drafted Dalton Kincaid when they did that he would have dropped to the 5th? Because that's what you're arguing if you blame Beane for misevaluating those players. No, the entire league missed on those guys. Also, the amount of people here who are now angry with Beane for not drafting Cooper DeJean is about the funniest thing I have read. When the Bills traded back into the second, this place was about to explode because everyone was sure that it was for the white corner with a background as a wrestler. People said that McDermott couldn't help himself from drafting his clone. I mean, this place was apocalyptic when they even brought DeJean in for a pre-draft visit. But now because he's been successful it is a complete whiff not drafting him. I mean, we're getting into Josh Allen draft-night thread territory with this thing. 

 

This is fair. But it is also fair to go back in time and call/praise those moves in the moment. 

Almost everyone wanted the Bills to take Creed Humprey. Many of us wanted to take LaPorta instead of Kincaid. Most of us had immediate concerns with Coleman. Its true many like me felt Worthy was too small. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

My confidence level in him is more than good.

Based on what?  White and Edmunds are no longer on the roster, Took boogie instead of a Center who was all pro  in his rookie year.  Ed disappears more than not, Elam is a pure bust, Kincaid hasn't worked out and one can argue has regressed. Coleman really didn't do anything this year.  Beane has had disastrous FA choices, so taking Allen out of the equation, how do you figure to have any real Confidence in Beane considering all the grievous misses.

[Beast]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

Based on what?  White and Edmunds are no longer on the roster, Took boogie instead of a Center who was all pro  in his rookie year.  Ed disappears more than not, Elam is a pure bust, Kincaid hasn't worked out and one can argue has regressed. Coleman really didn't do anything this year.  Beane has had disastrous FA choices, so taking Allen out of the equation, how do you figure to have any real Confidence in Beane considering all the grievous misses.

Based on the Bills being one of the premier teams in the NFL. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Just now, Beast said:

Based on the Bills being one of the premier teams in the NFL. 

We got lucky this year with a really bad AFC. 

[MikePJ76]

I have complete confidence in the front office.  They have put together an excellent offense and only cooper and hollins wont be back.  I imagine Johnson resigns here again and fingers crossed hollins does too.

 

I wonder if Beane will try to settle the other wr spot with a vet .  If Cooper Kupp gets cut I imagine the bills will be interested in him.

 

anyway, this offseason is all about defense for me.  If you can score 29 in kc against the chiefs defense in the championship game and you lose then the issues are all defense.  

[JohnNord]

47 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I can’t argue with any of that. I did waffle between choices 2 and 3 so that’s more specifically where I am on Beane. I gave him the benefit of doubt because since Allen’s draft he’s been hamstrung in the first by picking so late. The luster is definitely gone. 

 

It’s not just WR. Rush DE, CB, DT (1 tech) and S are all big needs. We need to find difference makers at rush DE and WR too. That is not easy. 

The crazy part is Beane’s group has been better at drafting later than in rounds 1 and 2.  

They should just trade their 1st and 2nd rounders to acquire more 3rd, 4th, and 5th round draft picks.  The returns have largely been more successful 🤣
 

 

28 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

This is fair. But it is also fair to go back in time and call/praise those moves in the moment. 

Almost everyone wanted the Bills to take Creed Humprey. Many of us wanted to take LaPorta instead of Kincaid. Most of us had immediate concerns with Coleman. Its true many like me felt Worthy was too small. 

Given the demands on the TE to block in the offense, LaPorta would be a better option.  I think they were still trying to make Dorsey’s 21 personnel a reality and envisioned that Kincaid could be a big Cole Beasley.  Now Kincaid isn’t a great fit in the offense and only sees the field sparingly.  

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

The crazy part is Beane’s group has been better at drafting later than in rounds 1 and 2.  

They should just trade their 1st and 2nd rounders to acquire more 3rd, 4th, and 5th round draft picks.  The returns have largely been more successful 🤣
 

 

 

@GunnerBill touched on that. Success later in the draft is more a testament to the quality of work the local scouts are doing rather than the GM. Not that Beane doesn’t deserve credit for building and maintaining that group of scouts. He does. He’s just not the one grinding tons of tape to find those gems. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

 

@GunnerBill touched on that. Success later in the draft is more a testament to the quality of work the local scouts are doing rather than the GM. Not that Beane doesn’t deserve credit for building and maintaining that group of scouts. He does. He’s just not the one grinding tons of tape to find those gems. 

 

Yea days 1 and 2 are for the execs. Day 3 is for the scouts. There is a part for Beane there, sure when they have their board building meetings he needs to ask the right questions of his scouts to make sure the way they stack it is right for him to then execute the picks but the major credit goes to the lower downs for day 3.

[Freak-O]

This was supposed to be a rebuild year yet we won the division easily and were the second seed in the playoffs, going out after a close game away against the reigning champs. I would say the future looks bright and we are in good hands. 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

This was supposed to be a rebuild year yet we won the division easily and were the second seed in the playoffs, going out after a close game away against the reigning champs. I would say the future looks bright and we are in good hands. 

I'm not sure I fully believe this given  recent history BUT like you I choose to see the Bills future as a glass half full.  They have reopened their SB window while also getting out of CAP hell and the loss of a bunch of older players.  We are very close that's for sure.

 

 

[97bills]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Beane is living off the fact Cleveland took Baker, the Jets took Darnold, and Denver passed on a QB.  If not for Allen he would have been fired years ago. 

He blew up the salary cap to get rid of Diggs because Diggs was the only one to call out McD as a fraud.  

Now he has enough cap space and draft picks for one last shot.  

He can get rid of Miller and the White/Diggs contracts are off the books.  

 

Sign Allen to a massive extension and free up a ton of cap space at the same time.

Stop hoarding draft picks.  It's time to mortgage the future this year, because if they don't; win it all next year he has no future.  Go get Myles Garrett or Max Crosby.  Go get a stud WR.  He's been better getting veterans than picking rookies.  

 

I would love Myles Garrett, think how happy he would be , and play hard for a chance at a championship.