Confidence in Beane?

[ExWNYer]

55 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Doesn't cutting Miller alone get us out of the red by like 15 million?

 

I'm not a big salary cap follower, so maybe I'm off base here. 

 

50 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I'm not 100% sure about Von's contract but it appears we're well over the cap currently and even if we cut him there's not a ton of breathing room. 

 

I believe cutting Miller creates about $8M in cap space and carries with it a dead cap hit of $15M.

[HamptonBillsfan]

Brandon has been building a roster to beat the Chiefs for 5 years. Sadly these postseason losses look eerily similar. No answer for Mahomes when undersized D-lineman keep giving up the edge and little pressure from our front four.  We are able to score because our offense is hard to defend but our secondary is pedestrian and lets us down every time. Why is Elam here?  Bishop is not physical enough and hurts us when he plays. Hamlin is a good story but he’s been ordinary. Sean is loyal to a fault and between Beane's defensive personnel decisions and our defensive game planning, I’m starting to doubt whether we can get past the Chiefs or an Eagles team that would have dominated our defense.

[Billsatlastin2018]

A competent GM with many whiffs on Draft Day.

 

Not great… at all! 

 

 

[UKBillFan]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Of course McDermott has a say but it is Brandon Beane's call. I know two people who have been in the building - one on each side - and they both say independently of the other that Beane runs the draft. He'd never pick a guy Sean is vehemently against, they are too collabrative for that. But Sean isn't grinding hours of tape to decide between Coleman or Worthy or Mitchell or whoever. That is Brandon Beane's job and he is accountable for those picks.

 

Thank you. I appreciate they come as a pair, but if there is anyway Pegula lets Beane go but holds on to McDermott - is there anyone in the league who you would rate as a good replacement, and would be available/happy to come here?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Huge off-season for Beane. Only all time great, game changing talent he's gotten is Allen. He needs to find that guy who can take over a game on D. He also needs to do a better job evaluating who he pays to stay. I'm not sure smaller guys on D works bc they get hurt all the time. Needs to start factoring in availability before paying guys. Needs 1st & 2nd round picks that actually produce at a high level. Not real confident he & the scouting department can do it.

He had Diggs who was top 3 WR for several years.

Cook is top 3 RB in the NFL.

Brown is top 7 RT

Milano was a top OLB until injuries

Benford is probably a top 15 CB

 

So as much as he has missed on busts like Elam and Epenesa, he has had some nice finds.

 

His biggest failure was not getting Von Miller in 2021. Second was thinking Gabe Davis was a true #2.  Hard to blame him after the 4 TD KC game.  He took too long to address the o-line but seems to have gotten it correct now.  He needs to make a huge trade and get a veteran pass rusher.  Sitting back and drafting a guy at 30 is not going to get it done.  Hoarding draft picks will also not get it done. 

He set himself up with cap space and picks this off season.  He needs to go for broke.  

31 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

Agreed.  
 

The malcontent Diggs cost us $31M against the cap this year!  Think of what we could have done with that money. That’s ALOT of $$$ for free agency.  
 

You could say Diggs cost us a SB. 

Diggs would say McDermott cost us multiple SuperBowls.  Diggs was right about Dorsey and he was right about McDermott.   

[GASabresIUFan]

I'm as disappointed as anyone here at the outcome last night.  Yes we got outcoached (Brady's offensive play calling) and yes Coleman and Kincaid, two key skill draftees laid an egg.  I don't think McD did anything wrong in this game.  

 

However, people please take a deep breath and ask yourselves were we even supposed to be here this season?  Beane has done a great job.  Not perfect, but overall his work has been excellent.  We have a $70 mill dead cap this season to clear away the old core and made it to the conference final with a young team with mostly rookies for depth.  

 

This team has holes, like the DL, WR and CB (I'm worried about Benford's health) and Beane is going to have to fix them, but we are still in an excellent situation.  

 

That said, this loss was gut wrenching as we had the game exactly where we needed it to win late.  

 

 

[BillsFan4]

He definitely needs to add more talent to this roster, and he needs to improve in the draft. He's done good, but not as good as some other contending teams. And this team just doesn’t have many true difference makers outside of Josh Allen.

Edited Monday at 03:49 PM by BillsFan4

[SCBills]

It's not even so much he "misses".

 

He's had some.. Elam/Boogie, but those happen. 

 

It's that he keeps drafting guys high who are just "good".  

 

He has yet to be able to find anyone that is capable of making a consistent difference outside Josh Allen.  In an effort to be fair, I'll give him Cook and Brown, but it's not enough.

 

We go to war with Coleman's, Kincaid's, Oliver's and Rousseau's while the Chiefs have Worthy, Humphrey, Karlaftis & McDuffie to already go with the two cornerstones of their dynasty in Jones and Kelce.

[uticaclub]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I'm as disappointed as anyone here at the outcome last night.  Yes we got outcoached (Brady's offensive play calling) and yes Coleman and Kincaid, two key skill draftees laid an egg.  I don't think McD did anything wrong in this game.  

 

However, people please take a deep breath and ask yourselves were we even supposed to be here this season?  Beane has done a great job.  Not perfect, but overall his work has been excellent.  We have a $70 mill dead cap this season to clear away the old core and made it to the conference final with a young team with mostly rookies for depth.  

 

This team has holes, like the DL, WR and CB (I'm worried about Benford's health) and Beane is going to have to fix them, but we are still in an excellent situation.  

 

That said, this loss was gut wrenching as we had the game exactly where we needed it to win late.  

 

 

Beane created the dead cap

[All_Pro_Bills]

11 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Brandon has been building a roster to beat the Chiefs for 5 years. Sadly these postseason losses look eerily similar. No answer for Mahomes when undersized D-lineman keep giving up the edge and little pressure from our front four.  We are able to score because our offense is hard to defend but our secondary is pedestrian and lets us down every time. Why is Elam here?  Bishop is not physical enough and hurts us when he plays. Hamlin is a good story but he’s been ordinary. Sean is loyal to a fault and between Beane's defensive personnel decisions and our defensive game planning, I’m starting to doubt whether we can get past the Chiefs or an Eagles team that would have dominated our defense.

We've experienced this undersized defenders craze in the not to distant past. I remember when Wade Phiiips was the HC and the Bills had the No. 1 defense in 1999 and No. 6 in 2000. A pretty physical group. Then came the Titans playoff loss, the Flutie/Johnson debate, and Wade got fired for not following Wilson's directive to fire the ST coach (I think). Then they hired Greg Williams and I think it was him that said "no fat guys" we're going with smaller, athletic players on D. It might have been him that let Pat Williams go and other defenders while Greg went on to post a 3 year record of 17-31.

So Mr. Beane. Get some "fat guys". That can tie up blockers and push the pocket into the QBs face. 

 

[T.E.]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

we nearly went to the SB in what everyone poster here said 5 mos ago was. a complete "roster reset" , "wild card maybe" year ;

 

geez .  give me a break .   

 

sure, lets tear it all down.  what a bunch on this board

We were still good because we have Allen. A new coach and front office will have him too. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I have about as much confidence in Beanie drafting a WR as Ryan Poles fixing the Bears OL next season. 
 

[GASabresIUFan]

10 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Beane created the dead cap

Very insightful.  

[Airseven]

The move at this point is to fire Beane. Yes, Allen got outplayed by Mahomes again. Yes, Spags/Reid outcoached McDermott again. But continued failings of first round picks and cap complications are fixable reasons why Bills are on spin cycle.

[Low Positive]

Do you people really think that if the Bills hadn't drafted Kaiir Elam that he would have dropped to the 4th round because Beane sucks and everyone else is so much better? Do you think that if the Bills hadn't drafted Dalton Kincaid when they did that he would have dropped to the 5th? Because that's what you're arguing if you blame Beane for misevaluating those players. No, the entire league missed on those guys. Also, the amount of people here who are now angry with Beane for not drafting Cooper DeJean is about the funniest thing I have read. When the Bills traded back into the second, this place was about to explode because everyone was sure that it was for the white corner with a background as a wrestler. People said that McDermott couldn't help himself from drafting his clone. I mean, this place was apocalyptic when they even brought DeJean in for a pre-draft visit. But now because he's been successful it is a complete whiff not drafting him. I mean, we're getting into Josh Allen draft-night thread territory with this thing. 

 

[uticaclub]

4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Very insightful.  

You were using the dead cap as an excuse for his inability to construct a roster with difference makers. Hes the one that made that task even harder

[Donuts and Doritos]

41 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

He had Diggs who was top 3 WR for several years.

Cook is top 3 RB in the NFL.

Brown is top 7 RT

Milano was a top OLB until injuries

Benford is probably a top 15 CB

 

So as much as he has missed on busts like Elam and Epenesa, he has had some nice finds.

 

His biggest failure was not getting Von Miller in 2021. Second was thinking Gabe Davis was a true #2.  Hard to blame him after the 4 TD KC game.  He took too long to address the o-line but seems to have gotten it correct now.  He needs to make a huge trade and get a veteran pass rusher.  Sitting back and drafting a guy at 30 is not going to get it done.  Hoarding draft picks will also not get it done. 

He set himself up with cap space and picks this off season.  He needs to go for broke.  

Diggs would say McDermott cost us multiple SuperBowls.  Diggs was right about Dorsey and he was right about McDermott.   

Nice players. But I'm talking about all time great who can take over a game & win it for you in the biggest games where it matters most. KC has Mahomes, Kelce & Jones. Only Josh has done that for us consistently. No one else he's drafted takes over in the playoffs. Without that we won't get over the hump. He has not hit on a 1st round pick in a long time.

 

He gave KC Worthy who led all receivers last night w/ 85 yards & a TD. In return we got a D-lineman who was inactive. And where was Coleman? Honestly, who was the better WR this year, who showed up when it mattered Worthy or Coleman? Beane gave Andy Reid a speed weapon & he used it to beat us. Not like Beane had no idea that could happen given Tyreek Hill.

 

Look all areas of this operation have consistently failed to get to the SB let alone win it. Tough questions and real self scouting needs to be done of this entire operation or this will continue to be the result. But that includes Beane & his scouts. And we need to honestly ask can these guys ever get it done or are we going to be like the Phillip Rivers Chargers, Marvin Lewis Bengals, and the Mike Tomlin Steelers.

 

Edited Monday at 04:31 PM by Donuts and Doritos

[MasterStrategist]

Beane just isn't a Tier 1 GM IMO.  Nothing wrong with that, he's doing what he promised which is build a competitive team each & every season, that has a chance to play in the SB.  One eye in the now & one toward the future.

 

Some day we'll look back and say Beane found us Josh, and a solid team ("good" players).

 

Not great players, good players.  And that folks is the concern --- it's not the "oh we drafted a bust in Elam in Rd 1" (that happens to every franchise).  It's that we haven't drafted any great players, other than Josh.  Beane has drafted some darn good ones, but again not great.

 

In the era of Mahomes/Reid, "good" just won't cut it.  Beane isn't going anywhere and I'm not advocating to fire him, but he does need to adjust his talent evaluation & find us "great".  Cook is the closest thing in the past 4 years.

 

All the hopes for Kincaid, drop aside, were being questioned most of this year.  Knox outplayed him, because he's more physical & our offensive identity.  We need to better mesh our "identify" and drafting, to start & find some top talent.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I look at his rosters over the years and it’s hard to critique him because he did hit on the most important position in football and does have some solid picks in Oliver, Bishop looks good, Benford, Torrence, Groot but man no elite talent at either side of the ball and has had to rely heavily on free agents to bail out his drafting. I still like him but I have to see more from him.

[streetkings01]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

Basically Beane & McD given their draft picks along with the coaching are the reason why the Bills are relevant every year and a huge reason because of the relevance that the Bills are getting a brand new stadium . 

 

I'll give you the Elam gripe he should be gone, Von's contract p until he got hurt everyone including you more than likely were saying he's what we needed, if you look at all the other WR's in the league that put up numbers like Diggs did while he was here the contract was comparable his attitude was wrong for the Bills, & Cooper could have and should have been been more involved in the game plan .

 

The defense this year was the weak link, Ed is on again off again, he's a "Good player" but not elite but needs to be and his contract should be reworked to mirror his play ! Beane i believe will concentrate on the D line this year in the draft & FA which should help, but as far IMHO as Beane & McD they are pulling their weight .

 

GO BILLS !!! 

Beane hasn’t proven he knows how to build a dline and McDermott hasn’t proven he knows how to get the most out of one! How confident are you going forward that we’ll even sign or draft an impact player this offseason? This defense needs a pass rusher, impact DT, cover corner and an impact safety. Thats a lot to hit on in one offseason.

31 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I have about as much confidence in Beanie drafting a WR as Ryan Poles fixing the Bears OL next season. 
 

His trades for offensive weapons haven’t been good either…..free agency has been even worse. Been along time since we signed Beasley, Brown and traded for Diggs….been a dumpster fire since then!