Allen's Legacy

[Bookie Man]

He legit should be playing for his 2nd ring right now. Imagine if the defense ever showed up in the playoffs...

[zow2]

9 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

His legacy ... One of the best QBs in league history, likely would've played in many Super Bowls if he played in the NFC.

 

He probably feels cursed,,, not for playing in Buffalo specifically but for being in the AFC conference in the Mahomes/Reid era.  Just bad timing.  Allen is way better than Hurts and Purdy and those guys have SB appearances.

 

13 seconds hurt worse than this by a mile.  I felt like the SB was ripped away like Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown.  This year we lost on our own terms, and to some extent last season too.  We had the ball late in the games to score a TD and take the lead.  Mahomes has done it,  we don't.  That's who we are.

[CincyBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, skibum said:

His legacy not only includes no Super Bowls so far, it also includes being owned by Patrick Mahomes. That's the part that really, really sucks. 

A better and more honest statement would be that the Bills Defense has been "owned" by Mahomes and Andy Reid.  Mahomes has in no way owned Allen.

 

 

[Chaos]

Josh will have to find solace in the hundreds of millions of dollars he will earn, his marriage to a beutiful woman, and the adoration of a a million people in western ny.  He will find a way to work through it. 

[dickleyjones]

2 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

I honestly dont think this team will ever win it all......ever......just cursed.....

curses are not real things

[CincyBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

To be honest it's the response of fans who are laying it at Josh's door which make me want him to be traded. If we can't be grateful to have one of the best QBs in the game, and who hardly let the team down yesterday, then send him to a franchise who would be.

To keep your sanity understand that we're dealing with a tiny minority of Bills "fans" and some scummy internet trolls here. Normal, thinking Bills fans know that Allen has not been the limiting factor in getting to a SB - not even close. Allen is the only reason the Bills are considered to be a SB contender.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Playoff Record:  Allen 7 - 6;  Rivers 5 - 7

 

Passing Stats:

Allen =  3,359 yrds; 25 TD's & 4 INT's

Rivers = 2965 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 INT's

 

Rushing Stats:

Allen = 668 yrds; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

Rivers = 46 yrds; 1 TD and 0 lost fumbles

 

Receiving Stats:

Allen = 1 TD

Rivers = 0 TD

 

Total Post Season Offensive Production:

Allen =  4027 yrds; 33 TD's & 6 TO's

Rivers = 3011 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 TO's

 

Rivers and Allen are not even in the same conversation.

[RiotAct]

50 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

To keep your sanity understand that we're dealing with a tiny minority of Bills "fans" and some scummy internet trolls here. Normal, thinking Bills fans know that Allen has not been the limiting factor in getting to a SB - not even close. Allen is the only reason the Bills are considered to be a SB contender.

 

 

 

 

Playoff Record:  Allen 7 - 6;  Rivers 5 - 7

 

Passing Stats:

Allen =  3,359 yrds; 25 TD's & 4 INT's

Rivers = 2965 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 INT's

 

Rushing Stats:

Allen = 668 yrds; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

Rivers = 46 yrds; 1 TD and 0 lost fumbles

 

Receiving Stats:

Allen = 1 TD

Rivers = 0 TD

 

Total Post Season Offensive Production:

Allen =  4027 yrds; 33 TD's & 6 TO's

Rivers = 3011 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 TO's

 

Rivers and Allen are not even in the same conversation.

oh I totally agree with you; I’m just saying what his perceived legacy to the unwashed masses is likely going to end up being if something doesn’t change.

[LifeLongBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Bookie Man said:

He legit should be playing for his 2nd ring right now. Imagine if the defense ever showed up in the playoffs...

I hate McDermott defense!  Sucks that we play the same ***** defense ever year.

Edited Monday at 07:07 PM by LifeLongBillsFan

[dorquemada]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

Man, this is the part that hurts.  All the stats in this Allen/McD showing the Bills are the "First team in history" to do this and that...and now Josh is known for being the first QB in NFL history to be winless 4 times against the same QB in the playoffs.  I believe three other QB's are tied at 0-3, one being Dan Marino (vs Jim Kelly) in their playoff history.  

 

As Bills fans we can talk about all the great things JA has done for this franchise that we'll never see again,,, but Nationally this is his legacy unless something changes in the last half of his career.

 

The most embarrassing outcome, therefor the most likely, is that Allen will win the MVP now

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I've always said this. But no, like a lot of people say, a new coach and GM will fix it all like it did so many times before lol

 

Funny though, a new QB sure "fixed" McD, who had been about a .500 coach after three seasons.  

 

Marrone and Mularkey gave us 9-7 seasons in a division where we would concede two games every season (aka 0-2) to the Pats, with Orton and Bledsoe at QB, the latter of which was about as mobile as I am most of us old-timers are these days.  Ryan gave us an 8-8 season under the same circumstances.  

 

You don't think that either of them would be at least 10-7 with Allen at QB?  ... in this easy cakewalk of a division that at least a third of the teams would win.  

 

And no, I'm not in the least suggesting that they be hired, just posing the question otherwise.  

 

Seems as if this team could sleepwalk to 10-7 in this crap division.  Hell, to get there, assuming a 5-1 divisional record, all they'd need to do is go 5-6 otherwise.  

 

Why is that such a farfetched idea for so many?  

 

 

Edited Monday at 07:11 PM by PBF81

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Funny though, a new QB sure "fixed" McD, who had been about a .500 coach after three seasons.  

 

Marrone and Mularkey gave us 9-7 seasons in a division where we would concede two games every season (aka 0-2) to the Pats, with Orton and Bledsoe at QB, the latter of which was about as mobile as I am most of us old-timers are these days.  Ryan gave us an 8-8 season under the same circumstances.  

 

You don't think that either of them would be at least 10-7 with Allen at QB?  ... in this easy cakewalk of a division that at least a third of the teams would win.  

 

And no, I'm not in the least suggesting that they be hired, just posing the question otherwise.  

 

Seems as if this team could sleepwalk to 10-7 in this crap division.  Hell, to get there, assuming a 5-1 divisional record, all they'd need to do is go 5-6 otherwise.  

 

Why is that such a farfetched idea for so many?  

 

 

Levy lost 4 straight Super Bowls. Every coach we have had until McDermott. Did nothing. McDermott himself has now made the playoffs in 7 out of 8 years on the job and still nothing. But you magically think that a bunch of different regimes, 2 of which have HOF QBs in Kelly and now Allen, are gonna all of a sudden take us to the promise land? How many more regimes do you need to see before you realize it will never happen?

[K-9]

Josh’s legacy? It’s still being written. And all this noise about how Josh is the first to lose four times to the same team in the playoffs is pure manufactured talking head crap. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3 hours ago, T.E. said:

They have to take a chance with a new coach. Simple as that. It's not happening with Schottenheim...I mean, McDermott.

I do chuckle at that comparison.

 

Chargers never sniffed the success they had since Marty… 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Bookie Man said:

He legit should be playing for his 2nd ring right now. Imagine if the defense ever showed up in the playoffs...

Let’s fire Frazier again. 
 

 

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

That is absolutely horrific rationalizing.  

 

And Levy took us to four straight Super Bowls, ... with Kelly.  

 

 

That's what I just said, yet, what happened? Did we get a trophy? No. We have nothing to show for it. It's perfectly good rationalizing if you actually understand what I was saying

[C.Biscuit97]

31 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Funny though, a new QB sure "fixed" McD, who had been about a .500 coach after three seasons.  

 

Marrone and Mularkey gave us 9-7 seasons in a division where we would concede two games every season (aka 0-2) to the Pats, with Orton and Bledsoe at QB, the latter of which was about as mobile as I am most of us old-timers are these days.  Ryan gave us an 8-8 season under the same circumstances.  

 

You don't think that either of them would be at least 10-7 with Allen at QB?  ... in this easy cakewalk of a division that at least a third of the teams would win.  

 

And no, I'm not in the least suggesting that they be hired, just posing the question otherwise.  

 

Seems as if this team could sleepwalk to 10-7 in this crap division.  Hell, to get there, assuming a 5-1 divisional record, all they'd need to do is go 5-6 otherwise.  

 

Why is that such a farfetched idea for so many?  

 

 

The Bills made the playoffs the year before Allen. They went 6-10 in Allen’s rookie year. They made the playoffs his second year. 
 

obviously Allen is way more important than McDermott. But McDermott and this team deserves a ton of credit for Allen becoming the player he is. 

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

That's what I just said, yet, what happened? Did we get a trophy? No. We have nothing to show for it. It's perfectly good rationalizing if you actually understand what I was saying

 

Sorry 'bout that.  Yeah, I did botch the context somewhat.  I deleted the post.  

 

Still, not sure I'd say it'll never happen.  Until Allen's gone I have to disagree, but to your and many others' points, and you know my take, it ain't happening as-is.  It's blatant.  Those that deny it will continue to deny until and if it's ever proven conversely.  Otherwise file under if you know you know.  

 

 

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, zow2 said:

Man, this is the part that hurts.  All the stats in this Allen/McD showing the Bills are the "First team in history" to do this and that...and now Josh is known for being the first QB in NFL history to be winless 4 times against the same QB in the playoffs.  I believe three other QB's are tied at 0-3, one being Dan Marino (vs Jim Kelly) in their playoff history.  

 

As Bills fans we can talk about all the great things JA has done for this franchise that we'll never see again,,, but Nationally this is his legacy unless something changes in the last half of his career.

 

A lot of posters are okay with this as long as we win regular season games!

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, peterpan said:

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

 

if the dude requested a trade I wouldn’t hold it against him one bit.  I’d follow him to another team and could maybe leave this abusive relationship behind 

No offense but Bills fans don't need you now then 

 

Just pick your new team now

[ChrisWatson#21]

4 hours ago, K D said:

Allen has the most post-season wins without a Superbowl. It's either him or it's the franchise at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't want to re-sign after his contract is up. If he was the QB for the Rams is there any doubt he would be in the Superbowl?

It has to be the franchise.  It feels as if it’s a financial risk to put the Bills over.  At this point I don’t think as long as Reid & Mahomes are in K.C. they’re going to get past them.  We are closing in on a decision in the next two or three years to get Josh to an NFC team for some first round picks and rebuild for the post Mahomes era.  The Chiefs won this era nobodys stands a chance.