Allen's Legacy

[ddaryl]

2 minutes ago, peterpan said:

 

 

Then demote Brady to run game coordinator.  I'm sorry but his schemes stink and our passing game has blown since he took over.  Allen just covers up the succ.  Bring in Doug Pederson as OC and get a proven Super Bowl winning offensive coach who can work in a spread offense with a mobile QB.

 

 

 

 

We are putting up close to 30 pts a game..... and won 13 games this year 15 including playoffs. We have issues but this doens't even come up in coversation with the majority. Does it matter if we put up 30 by running or do we have to put up 30 by passing which In your opinion is a superior 30.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, peterpan said:

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

 

if the dude requested a trade I wouldn’t hold it against him one bit.  I’d follow him to another team and could maybe leave this abusive relationship behind 

I hate this post so much. Yeah, the Bils played no part in Allen development. He came out of Wyoming as a top qb right away. We didn’t give him the same OC for 4 years. Or trade a 1st for Diggs. Or build a great o line. 
 

allen is a legit legend but it is the Buffalo Bills and not just the Buffalo Josh Allens. Did we betray Cook? Or Dawkins? Or Milano? Should they all requests trades. 
 

the Chiefs traded away a top 3 wr in his prime. Mahomes should have requested a trade to get out of that abusive relationship. We treat Allen like a God. He owes Buffalo just as much as we owe him. 

7 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

That’s what it all comes down too for me. That’s what separates the goods from the greats.  Brady did it. Manning did it. Mahomes did it. He had 3 minutes with all 3 timeouts to make it happen and send the Bills to the Super Bowl and only managed one first down. 

Being an all time legend qb is doing the most boring stuff consistently well. Mahomes doesn’t care about stats now. He does all the boring crap better than any qb since Brady. 

[TheBrownBear]

22 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

He doesn't deserve it, since Rivers was a consistent playoff choker, but this is absolutely Allen's legacy as of today.

[Since1981]

McD is fine until he’s against A-team coaches and final 4 min. My theory is A-Team Coaching gets you +3 in playoffs. 

 

2017,Jacksonville -7
2019,Houston -3
2020, KC,-14
2021,KC,-6
2022,Cinci -17
2023,KC -3

2024, KC -3

[T master]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

Man, this is the part that hurts.  All the stats in this Allen/McD showing the Bills are the "First team in history" to do this and that...and now Josh is known for being the first QB in NFL history to be winless 4 times against the same QB in the playoffs.  I believe three other QB's are tied at 0-3, one being Dan Marino (vs Jim Kelly) in their playoff history.  

 

As Bills fans we can talk about all the great things JA has done for this franchise that we'll never see again,,, but Nationally this is his legacy unless something changes in the last half of his career.

 

Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Carl Malone, Mickleson, Norman, Capriarti, Sharapova, Austin, Graf, Roddick, and many other athletes in other sports probably feel the same due to the fact they played against Micheal, Tiger, Serena, Federer and others . It sucks ! 

[90sBills]

49 minutes ago, BillsFooteball said:

This is going to be the most annoying take for entire year as it was leading up to the game.

*incoming rant*
 

My phone has blow up by casual non-bills football fans. “Allen will never beat Mahomes” 

where do they ever get this take? Tv and graphics. 
 

Let’s breakdown! 
 

1. Least relevant but they  must mean playoffs. Bills 4-0 season, 0-4 in playoffs

 

2. I know it's not exciting but talking point should be Reid vs McDermott. Nobody wants to talk all week about for example Kair Elam being picked on. What good tv does that make?!  It's not Allen vs mahomes. It's mahomes vs bills defense. It's Allen vs chiefs defense. Again I know boring 

 

3.  But hey! Let’s still make it Allen vs mahomes in playoffs there numbers in these 4 games are both ridiculous and damn near equal

 

4. Can do this for all 4 games but let's do easy one 13 second game. That's a loss for Allen. He left field winning with 13 seconds left in game. He was  leading 13 seconds and  bills lost that’s on Allen though can’t beat mahomes…?

 

5. Let's take this year. Even better. Bill lose last night 32-29.

How many times this entire season did the Chiefs put up 32 points on offense? Zero.  Take away the last game of regular season all backups how many times this season did Chiefs  defense give up 29 points? One time…against the bills

 

If flip Allen and mahomes, chiefs are winning all 4 of those playoff games and I would argue by a much larger margin. But no need for hypothetical because above point are facts. 

It’s not as simple as Allen vs Mahomes. It’s a team game. With that said the defense made the stop for Allen and the offense to go win the game. That would’ve been a legacy defining drives. As was last year’s drive against KC in the playoffs. Unfortunately couldn’t get it done. Those situations are what shape narratives. 

[peterpan]

26 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hate this post so much. Yeah, the Bils played no part in Allen development. He came out of Wyoming as a top qb right away. We didn’t give him the same OC for 4 years. Or trade a 1st for Diggs. Or build a great o line. 
 

allen is a legit legend but it is the Buffalo Bills and not just the Buffalo Josh Allens. Did we betray Cook? Or Dawkins? Or Milano? Should they all requests trades. 
 

the Chiefs traded away a top 3 wr in his prime. Mahomes should have requested a trade to get out of that abusive relationship. We treat Allen like a God. He owes Buffalo just as much as we owe him. 

Being an all time legend qb is doing the most boring stuff consistently well. Mahomes doesn’t care about stats now. He does all the boring crap better than any qb since Brady. 

I very much disagree with you.  The chiefs have given Mahomes the best O coach and best D coach.  He has HOFers on his team.  He has all pros all over his team.  The chiefs give him rookies that produce.  His coaches call plays that give him the easiest completions.  Allen has none of that.  Allen will never be able to stand up straight, he breaks his back carrying the team every single week every single  year 

 

year after year after year the bills brass gets Allen no help. Not since 2020 have we had even close to what Mahomes has.  
 

Lamar has a stacked roster and a SB winning coach.

 

Burrow has a stacked roster too.  He will have a beef soon if they let all those guys leave. 

31 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

We are putting up close to 30 pts a game..... and won 13 games this year 15 including playoffs. We have issues but this doens't even come up in coversation with the majority. Does it matter if we put up 30 by running or do we have to put up 30 by passing which In your opinion is a superior 30.

My point is Allen is the reason we score 30 points a game.  And Brady adds very little In Terms of creativity and scheme.  Just look at how blah and vanilla our play calls were these playoffs.  6 tush pushes in a row? No other creative call? 
 

teams play the pass and worry about Allen and that opens up the running game.  I’m confident and decent coach could score 30 points with Allen and the current nfl rule book.  But clearly we need someone much better to beat the chiefs. 

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Rivers is his legacy right now.  Even Marino made it to one his 2nd year.  Didn't Manning make it to the Superbowl his 8th year?

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, zow2 said:

Man, this is the part that hurts.  All the stats in this Allen/McD showing the Bills are the "First team in history" to do this and that...and now Josh is known for being the first QB in NFL history to be winless 4 times against the same QB in the playoffs.  I believe three other QB's are tied at 0-3, one being Dan Marino (vs Jim Kelly) in their playoff history.  

 

As Bills fans we can talk about all the great things JA has done for this franchise that we'll never see again,,, but Nationally this is his legacy unless something changes in the last half of his career.

This is Allen's legacy only among the football illiterate and sports ignoramuses of the wider world.  Those that know the game see Manning to NE's Brady.

 

 

[skibum]

His legacy not only includes no Super Bowls so far, it also includes being owned by Patrick Mahomes. That's the part that really, really sucks. 

[Buftex]

51 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hate this post so much. Yeah, the Bils played no part in Allen development. He came out of Wyoming as a top qb right away. We didn’t give him the same OC for 4 years. Or trade a 1st for Diggs. Or build a great o line. 
 

allen is a legit legend but it is the Buffalo Bills and not just the Buffalo Josh Allens. Did we betray Cook? Or Dawkins? Or Milano? Should they all requests trades. 
 

the Chiefs traded away a top 3 wr in his prime. Mahomes should have requested a trade to get out of that abusive relationship. We treat Allen like a God. He owes Buffalo just as much as we owe him. 

Being an all time legend qb is doing the most boring stuff consistently well. Mahomes doesn’t care about stats now. He does all the boring crap better than any qb since Brady. 

Yeah, I get it...it sucks to lose...again.  But I hate these kinds of posts too.  It's fine to be a fair weather fan, if it makes it easier for you to cope...but why project that on to our players? 

[CincyBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Rivers is his legacy right now.  Even Marino made it to one his 2nd year.  Didn't Manning make it to the Superbowl his 8th year?

 

 

Not even close.  Here are the post season comparisons remembering that Rivers played 17 seasons and Allen has played 7 seasons:

 

Record:  Allen 7 - 6;  Rivers 5 - 7

 

Passing Stats:

Allen =  3,359 yrds; 25 TD's & 4 INT's

Rivers = 2965 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 INT's

 

Rushing Stats:

Allen = 668 yrds; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

Rivers = 46 yrds; 1 TD and 0 lost fumbles

 

Receiving Stats:

Allen = 1 TD

Rivers = 0 TD

 

Total Post Season Offensive Production:

Allen =  4027 yrds; 33 TD's & 6 TO's

Rivers = 3011 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 TO's

 

Rivers and Allen are not even in the same conversation.

 

 

[ScotSHO]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hate this post so much. Yeah, the Bils played no part in Allen development. He came out of Wyoming as a top qb right away. We didn’t give him the same OC for 4 years. Or trade a 1st for Diggs. Or build a great o line. 
 

allen is a legit legend but it is the Buffalo Bills and not just the Buffalo Josh Allens. Did we betray Cook? Or Dawkins? Or Milano? Should they all requests trades. 
 

the Chiefs traded away a top 3 wr in his prime. Mahomes should have requested a trade to get out of that abusive relationship. We treat Allen like a God. He owes Buffalo just as much as we owe him. 

Being an all time legend qb is doing the most boring stuff consistently well. Mahomes doesn’t care about stats now. He does all the boring crap better than any qb since Brady. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Not even close.  Here are the post season comparisons remembering that Rivers played 17 seasons and Allen has played 7 seasons:

 

Record:  Allen 7 - 6;  Rivers 5 - 7

 

Passing Stats:

Allen =  3,359 yrds; 25 TD's & 4 INT's

Rivers = 2965 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 INT's

 

Rushing Stats:

Allen = 668 yrds; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

Rivers = 46 yrds; 1 TD and 0 lost fumbles

 

Receiving Stats:

Allen = 1 TD

Rivers = 0 TD

 

Total Post Season Offensive Production:

Allen =  4027 yrds; 33 TD's & 6 TO's

Rivers = 3011 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 TO's

 

Rivers and Allen are not even in the same conversation.

 

 

Both never made it to a superbowl, so what about the numbers?  Ok you can say he is Marino, without the superbowl, but who cares? We have had a HOF QB who put up numbers, we need a superbowl win, but its not going to happen.

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

I never thought I'd say this but I'm supportive of trading allen. 

 

Not because I think it's a good idea,  but solely because I know he'll never win one in buffalo with this team and this coaching staff.  Year in and year out his teammates or coaches let him down.  I feel worse for him than even the fans. 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Strethor said:

You just need to win 1 

 

Simple - get there win

So simple that they got there 4 straight times and lost all 4?   Yeah….simple. 

[MikePJ76]

1 hour ago, Airseven said:

Fun player. Some fun "total TD" stats. That's about it.

this is how the whole offseason is going to be isn't it?

 

these opinions are about as bad as it gets.  Some fun total td stats.

 

what a joke.  Wish I knew how to block people on here.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

37 minutes ago, Buftex said:

Yeah, I get it...it sucks to lose...again.  But I hate these kinds of posts too.  It's fine to be a fair weather fan, if it makes it easier for you to cope...but why project that on to our players? 

In what way was he being a fairweather fan there lol I feel like hoping your qb gets traded cuz you can’t handle losing a close game to the team of the decade is the fairweather fan side here tbh 

[frostbitmic]

His legacy ... One of the best QBs in league history, likely would've played in many Super Bowls if he played in the NFC.

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

In what way was he being a fairweather fan there lol I feel like hoping your qb gets traded cuz you can’t handle losing a close game to the team of the decade is the fairweather fan side here tbh 

 

To be honest it's the response of fans who are laying it at Josh's door which make me want him to be traded. If we can't be grateful to have one of the best QBs in the game, and who hardly let the team down yesterday, then send him to a franchise who would be.