If Allen asks for a new staff he should get it.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, poblano said:

 McDermott detractors must understand that a change is simply a change.   i'm open to a change but also understand  that whoever  comes don't will be necessary better, like more Madden-thinkers  believe

 

 

 

I can guarantee you that we won't get to a super bowl let alone win one with this regime and coach.

 

[oldmanfan]

24 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I can guarantee you that we won't get to a super bowl let alone win one with this regime and coach.

 

Given such insight can you pick stocks for me?  Given you can predict the future?

 

The difference yesterday Sunday was coaching to this extent:  the call made by Spagnolo to completely switch up that blitz was brilliant.  And I think you could question why Cook wasn't on the field that last drive.  But when you get down to it, at crunch time the guys on the Chiefs make plays and don't make mistakes.  The Bills make little mistakes that cost them.  The past two years the offense has had the ball with time left and an opportunity to win the game and hasn't finished.  I am confident they will break through.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 1/27/2025 at 7:36 AM, Ramza86 said:

Mcdermott looks nice on paper...but honestly....this team would be in wild card contention with a 15 year old calling madden plays.

 

You can just see the difference between Reid and Mcdermott when they play each other. We blitz...Reid has more answers. They blitz we dont. Reid just has the team playing right at the right times.

 

At this point its worth trying something new. 

 

We believe as long as Allen is on the team they can make a playoff run right? So why not look for something that could get us over that hump.

I mean if that’s what HE wants then he should get it. I just don’t think that’s part of Allen’s personality. He’s going to put the blame on himself before anybody else. 31 other teams haven’t been able to stop the Chiefs/Referee juggernaut. Is it really worth it to tear the whole thing down? I think the thing Buffalo is truly lacking is a TJ Watt/Bosa/Myles Garrett type disrupter. They need elite game changers on defense. Von Miller was a ridiculous signing. He’s just too old. Buffalo needs to package their 1st and two 2nd rounders to trade up and get that guy. Rousseau is a great 1b pass rusher like Robert Mathis, but we need a game wrecker like Dwight Freeney to pair him up with. 

[C.Biscuit97]

On 1/27/2025 at 3:37 PM, MJS said:

Just like Allen asked for Coleman? And Dorsey?

 

Also, don’t forget that Jim Kelly wanted us to draft Tim Tebow. 

[Ramza86]

5 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I mean if that’s what HE wants then he should get it. I just don’t think that’s part of Allen’s personality. He’s going to put the blame on himself before anybody else. 31 other teams haven’t been able to stop the Chiefs/Referee juggernaut. Is it really worth it to tear the whole thing down? I think the thing Buffalo is truly lacking is a TJ Watt/Bosa/Myles Garrett type disrupter. They need elite game changers on defense. Von Miller was a ridiculous signing. He’s just too old. Buffalo needs to package their 1st and two 2nd rounders to trade up and get that guy. Rousseau is a great 1b pass rusher like Robert Mathis, but we need a game wrecker like Dwight Freeney to pair him up with. 

 

If we added those defensive playmakers is McDermott the guy that can get the best out of them?

I think McDermotts mentality is too fear based. How many years did it take McDermott to start going for these 4th downs with Josh freaking Allen. Hes not a chance taker, hes not creative, hes not aggressive. It shows everytime were up against someone who is. 

[RkFast]

I cant believe there are people actually suggesting that the Buffalo Bills take up the New York Jets model of giving the star quarterback the power to dictate coach staffing and player personel. 

15 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Hes not a chance taker, hes not creative, hes not aggressive. 

 

This has been disproven time and time and time again. Yet people continue to trot it out there. Amazing. 

Edited yesterday at 02:30 PM by RkFast

[Ramza86]

6 minutes ago, RkFast said:

I cant believe there are people actually suggesting that the Buffalo Bills take up the New York Jets model of giving the star quarterback the power to dictate coach staffing and player personel. 

 

This has been disproven time and time and time again. Yet people continue to trot it out there. Amazing. 

Has it?

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, RkFast said:

I cant believe there are people actually suggesting that the Buffalo Bills take up the New York Jets model of giving the star quarterback the power to dictate coach staffing and player personel. 

 

This has been disproven time and time and time again. Yet people continue to trot it out there. Amazing. 

With the season on the line our best offensive player (that isn’t Allen) was on the sidelines…. *****, sometimes I’d rather the local drunk make some of the decisions besides McD. 

[folz]

On 1/27/2025 at 8:18 AM, colin said:

 

His track record is way way better than mcds.  

 

I like the dismissal of him (I don't love him or anything, he's just better than this dumpster fire we have now) because while he's won one, he only got as far as the NFC chip game and some 1 seeds (two of his losses in chip games were to the giants who beat the pats in the super bowl FYI) even tho he had a hall off Fame QB, and while his offense was always great his d let the team down sometimes.

 

Contrast that with MCD, who has a HOF QB, won nothing, has been to two chip games and no number one seeds, and who's d has sucked hot donkey Wang in the playoffs.

 

The knock on McCarthy is he should have won more.  The knock on MCD is he hasn't won anything and he calls the shots on the team and he's a d coach and his d has been literally the worst in every playoff loss and his QB has literally the best performance of any QB in the history of the NFL in the playoffs.

 

Any argument to dismiss McCarthy is an argument to our MCD in a barrell and throw him over the falls.

 

Remind us again how McCarthy's track record is way better. I don't think you can, other than to say he won one Super Bowl (which is nothing to sniff at...he won the big game---but track record tends to mean overall).

 

                               Mike McCarthy        Sean McDermott

Wins/losses:         174-112-2 (.608)          86-45 (.656)

Playoff record:            11-11 (.500)              7-7 (.500)

Playoff bids:          12 of 18 yrs (.666)      7 of 8 yrs (.875)

 

 

McDermott: 7 years with Josh Allen, 1 year with Tyrod Taylor [2 Conference Championship game appearances, 0-2]

McCarthy: 13 years with Aaron Rodgers, 5 years with Dak Prescott [4 Conference Championship game appearances, 1-3; 1 SB appearance (win)]

 

Yes, McCarthy has a Super Bowl. He also coached for 18 years (13 with a first ballot HOFer, and 5 with another very good QB). Are you telling me that you don't think McDermott could get a team to 2 more conference championships, and win 1, if he coached for 10 more years (with Josh as his QB for at least 6 more years)? So, how much better is McCarthy again?

 

 

 

 

On 1/27/2025 at 9:35 AM, LarryMadman said:

Regression, why, because you say so, get out of here with that. 

 

Right Payton had a first ballot HOF and won, McDermott has a first ballot HOF QB and cant win, none of those others had a first ballot HOF QB and would love to see what they could do with a first ballot HOF. 

 

At what point do you apologists see that McDermott isn't going to get over the hump? 5 more years? When Josh is gone?

 

Enough of this same frusterating boring movie already. 

 

 

 

 

 

Payton had a first-ballot Hall of Famer as his QB for 15 years. He only made 1 Super Bowl appearance. 1 in 15 years. Yes, it was a win (he did it). But you guys would be going crazy if we only made 1 Super Bowl appearance in 15 years with Josh. Payton had 6 seasons with Drew Brees where they didn't even make the playoffs. Can you imagine missing the playoffs 6 times with Josh? The board would explode. From 2010-2017, the Saints (with Payton and Brees) missed the playoffs 4 times, lost a Wild Card game, and lost 3 divisional round playoff games. How would Bills fans have felt about those 8 seasons if it were MCD and Josh?

 

                         Payton w/Brees              McDermott w/Josh

Wins/losses:     152-89 (.630)                     77-38 (.670)

Playoff record:      7-7 (.500)                         7-6 (.538)

Playoff bids:      9 of 15 yrs (.600)             6 of 7 yrs (.857)

 

McDermott: 7 years with Josh Allen, 1 year with Tyrod Taylor [2 Conference Championship game appearances, 0-2]

Payton: 15 years with Drew Brees, 1 year with Russell Wilson, 1 year Bo Nix [3 Conference Championship game appearances, 1-2; 1 SB appearance (win)]

 

 

Now I'm sure we'll hear, yeah, but Josh is way better than Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.

 

 

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I can guarantee you that we won't get to a super bowl let alone win one with this regime and coach.

 

 

Guarantee? Come on guy...you can not guarantee anything. what a joke.

 

 

 

Interesting Topic, after Josh just did an interview like a week ago saying he basically has two goals for his career, stay in Buffalo his whole career, and bring a Super Bowl victory to the people of Buffalo. A huge part of why Josh loves Buffalo is because of the culture of the team that Sean, Brandon, and The Pegulas have created. I can GUARANTEE (😉) you that Josh does not want a new staff or to be traded and I bet that he blames himself as much as the coaching staff, front office, or other talent for the team's failures (that's just who Josh is).

[wppete]

Josh has proved himself. At this point whatever he wants they should give it to him or get rid of them. In my eyes this is Josh’s team not McDermotts or Beans. 

[ScotSHO]

On 1/27/2025 at 7:41 AM, colin said:

 

i said he's too nice too.  

 

another great take from oldman!  hey, how about big baller beane and mcd?  allen let em down again!

Allen is not QB Jesus.  He left a lot of opportunities on the field.  The mental aspects of his game are still lacking in the big moments.  Not sure Fat Andy would even fix that.

On 1/27/2025 at 8:20 AM, T.E. said:

He is counting the days until he can opt out of his contract when Stafford retires so that he can go back to his home state and play for a real coach. We can stop it by making some changes, but we won't.

The truth hurts, I don't think you're supposed to say that here.

[ScotSHO]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

With the season on the line our best offensive player (that isn’t Allen) was on the sidelines…. *****, sometimes I’d rather the local drunk make some of the decisions besides McD. 

They had ample time & timeouts, but they played it like it was 3rd down/end of half offense the whole way.  They don't trust James Cook in gotta-have-it passing downs.  Their conventional offense was getting stuffed too, so I can't argue with the decision.  Their pop gun offense Sunday wasn't going to magically turn into the 2000 Rammies.

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Josh has proved himself. At this point whatever he wants they should give it to him or get rid of them. In my eyes this is Josh’s team not McDermotts or Beans. 

Josh has proven to be a fun player to watch, gets lots of gaudy stats, but with only random bouts of "clutchy-ness" (that's not a word).  Most of his signature wins are methodical end of game field goals, many times when they are tied.  He has the potential to improve in this area, but I fear his reflex to go improvisational will always fight that.

[tigerthelion]

2 hours ago, RkFast said:

I cant believe there are people actually suggesting that the Buffalo Bills take up the New York Jets model of giving the star quarterback the power to dictate coach staffing and player personel. 

 

This has been disproven time and time and time again. Yet people continue to trot it out there. Amazing. 

He is aggressive with going for 4th downs.  He isn't very creative, though.  He is probably thinking about doing another QB sneak as we speak. 

[Sojourner]

Just now, tigerthelion said:

He is aggressive with going for 4th downs.  He isn't very creative, though.  He is probably thinking about doing another QB sneak as we speak. 

That’s funny!
He’s a defensive guy and I’m sure he’s partly the reason we are running the same play again and again but dude, Brady was a HC candidate a week ago. 
 

Is he incapable of telling Sean, “this play is struggling, we need to do something else?”

 

they didn’t. Which tells me the conversation never took place. You get the sideline audio and I bet more often than not it’s McD telling him to go for it. Not what actually to call specifically each time. 
 

Failure goes to both of them but more on the guys who’s offense it is. 
 

Tweedledum and Tweedledee I guess?

[LabattBlue]

You know what the definition of great scheming/coaching is…Mahomes run to the right 4 or 5 times, and the Bills had no idea it was coming or how to stop it.   
 

They made it look easy.  

[ScotSHO]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

You know what the definition of great scheming/coaching is…Mahomes run to the right 4 or 5 times, and the Bills had no idea it was coming or how to stop it.   
 

They made it look easy.  

That and the Chefs running crossers against man to man.  We'd telegraph man to man and never bluff; super frustrating to watch.  We used to disguise coverages, I guess we don't have the talent to pull that off anymore.

[RyanC883]

Reid was fired after numerous NFC Championship trips and even a SB trip.  Eagles then won a SB, and have gone 3 other times.  So yeah, getting rid of McD will not cause the team to go backwards, it might lead to a Championship.  

[colin]

1 hour ago, folz said:

 

Remind us again how McCarthy's track record is way better. I don't think you can, other than to say he won one Super Bowl (which is nothing to sniff at...he won the big game---but track record tends to mean overall).

 

                               Mike McCarthy        Sean McDermott

Wins/losses:         174-112-2 (.608)          86-45 (.656)

Playoff record:            11-11 (.500)              7-7 (.500)

Playoff bids:          12 of 18 yrs (.666)      7 of 8 yrs (.875)

 

 

McDermott: 7 years with Josh Allen, 1 year with Tyrod Taylor [2 Conference Championship game appearances, 0-2]

McCarthy: 13 years with Aaron Rodgers, 5 years with Dak Prescott [4 Conference Championship game appearances, 1-3; 1 SB appearance (win)]

 

Yes, McCarthy has a Super Bowl. He also coached for 18 years (13 with a first ballot HOFer, and 5 with another very good QB). Are you telling me that you don't think McDermott could get a team to 2 more conference championships, and win 1, if he coached for 10 more years (with Josh as his QB for at least 6 more years)? So, how much better is McCarthy again?

 

 

 

 

 

Payton had a first-ballot Hall of Famer as his QB for 15 years. He only made 1 Super Bowl appearance. 1 in 15 years. Yes, it was a win (he did it). But you guys would be going crazy if we only made 1 Super Bowl appearance in 15 years with Josh. Payton had 6 seasons with Drew Brees where they didn't even make the playoffs. Can you imagine missing the playoffs 6 times with Josh? The board would explode. From 2010-2017, the Saints (with Payton and Brees) missed the playoffs 4 times, lost a Wild Card game, and lost 3 divisional round playoff games. How would Bills fans have felt about those 8 seasons if it were MCD and Josh?

 

                         Payton w/Brees              McDermott w/Josh

Wins/losses:     152-89 (.630)                     77-38 (.670)

Playoff record:      7-7 (.500)                         7-6 (.538)

Playoff bids:      9 of 15 yrs (.600)             6 of 7 yrs (.857)

 

McDermott: 7 years with Josh Allen, 1 year with Tyrod Taylor [2 Conference Championship game appearances, 0-2]

Payton: 15 years with Drew Brees, 1 year with Russell Wilson, 1 year Bo Nix [3 Conference Championship game appearances, 1-2; 1 SB appearance (win)]

 

 

Now I'm sure we'll hear, yeah, but Josh is way better than Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.

 

 

 

Guarantee? Come on guy...you can not guarantee anything. what a joke.

 

 

 

Interesting Topic, after Josh just did an interview like a week ago saying he basically has two goals for his career, stay in Buffalo his whole career, and bring a Super Bowl victory to the people of Buffalo. A huge part of why Josh loves Buffalo is because of the culture of the team that Sean, Brandon, and The Pegulas have created. I can GUARANTEE (😉) you that Josh does not want a new staff or to be traded and I bet that he blames himself as much as the coaching staff, front office, or other talent for the team's failures (that's just who Josh is).

 

That's a good objection.

 

I say it's better because he had success as an assistant (superbowls and a win w brett favre) and in his first 8 years w greenbay he won a chip (year five i think).

 

green bay was roughly where we are now after that, always scary, always in contention, usually losing to the eventual champs.  the only difference is he had a couple more first game playoff exits than we have (we were pretty close to losing to indy and miami, two much inferior teams, in round 1).

 

i think he's done a good job in dallas.  dak has been hurt, and this past season he had a retread get them to a winning record.  do you have confidence mcd would have a winning record if allen went down for the season?

 

i'm not saying mccarthy is an all timer coach, not even close.  I'm saying he's a lot like mcd, except he's had success on his side of the ball, while mcd has not had success on his side of the ball in the playoffs.

 

in particular, mcd has gone stale (reid and dungy went stale on their prior teams, who both went on to win chips, and those two guys won chips after the fact, showing that coaches with more success than mcd got fired and their teams moved forward after and won it all.  philly even fired the guy who brought them a chip with a back up qb no less and are in their 2nd sb in 3 years with the replacement, sort of doubling down the removal of a stale coach theory).  we lose the same way every year, and to the same team in 4 out of 5 years.  

 

in addition, mccarthy had dom capers and the pettine as dcs.  while no spaggs, they were both established dcs with track records.  this shows he is willing to bring in someone with some seniority to run the other side of the ball.  mcd had that loser we started with, daboll who had zero track record, and then two rookie ocs.  he thinks he is so smart and is too special to be challenged so he won't bring in someone with a real track record to c his o.

 

when you are looking for results you have never achieved, you must do things you have never done.  mcd does the same things and gets the same results and i think with allen and some of the guys on this team in this terrible division, you have a high enough floor to risk missing out on a slightly better loss at the end of each season.

[Low Positive]

43 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Reid was fired after numerous NFC Championship trips and even a SB trip.  Eagles then won a SB, and have gone 3 other times.  So yeah, getting rid of McD will not cause the team to go backwards, it might lead to a Championship.  

Contrary to popular opinion, Andy Reid was not fired after an NFC CG trip for not being able to "get over the hump." He missed the playoffs for two straight years with a final year at 4-12. That's what got him fired. Then they had to go through 3 seasons of the Chip Kelly experiment before landing on Pederson. Also, Reid was fired in Philadelphia on 12/31 and hired in KC on 1/4. 

[RyanC883]

22 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Contrary to popular opinion, Andy Reid was not fired after an NFC CG trip for not being able to "get over the hump." He missed the playoffs for two straight years with a final year at 4-12. That's what got him fired. Then they had to go through 3 seasons of the Chip Kelly experiment before landing on Pederson. Also, Reid was fired in Philadelphia on 12/31 and hired in KC on 1/4. 

 

never said he was fired right after, only that it happened after he did "all that great stuff."  But lets continue to stand pat with Reid mentee McD and see where that gets us.  Hint: not even a SB appearance, much less a championship.