Coaching Poll

[Mike in Horseheads]

13 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I'm somewhere in between "Change is low risk, most NFL caliber coaches will win the weak" and "Team has gone stale, coach is good, but we need a change".

 

It's our division for at least the next 3 years. McD can't get over the hump. He's a very good coach that will get another job quickly, and have some success there (most likely getting a basement dweller back into a Wild Card spot). But he isnt getting it done here, against the Chiefs in the playoffs.

 

0-4 now. With at least 2 of those being directly on coaching. How many more tries does he get?

 

Let Beane reload this year with the better cap situation and then...?

What two are you directly blaming him for? Yesterday when Kincaid dropped a pass thrown behind him, last year when Bass blew a FG? I'll give ya 13 seconds

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Allen was primarily a slot under Staley.  He had over 1,100 yards one of those seasons and apart from injuries was on pace for about the same the following season.  

 

Shakir has that potential.  We'll have to disagree on his route-running, but what's indisputable is his possession receiver traits and skills.  

 

Either way, it's folly to suggest that if his targets were increased, that his approximately 80% catch% wouldn't hold and that his stats/performance would not increase proportionally.  

 

 

He isn't a route runner he is a space finder. He never ran routes at Boise and was never coached to run routes in that offense. When he first got here they tried to teach him route running and he just kept running into coverage. They backed off it and the way they use him right now is perfect. It suits his skillset and it suits the team. He isn't diverse enough to say "that's a guy we have to force targets to." I should be clear as well, because not sure I was yesterday, but have been previously like in the thread that predicted him for a thousand yard before the 2024 season - that if Shakir plays 5 or 6 years with Josh Allen I expect he will have a 1,000 yard season somewhere along the line. I just don't think he is a guy you can feature to the extent that he is going to be consistently a 1,000 yard plus guy. He is our most productive an reliable receiver currently, of that there is no doubt, but he should be a complimentary piece. That is the role he fits. The fact fans are talking about him as though he is a feature piece is an indictment of how the rest of the WR room has been built. And that's on Brandon Beane. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:26 AM by GunnerBill

[The Jokeman]

20 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

The problem is, the owner they have would probably hire Jim Kelly or something like that

🤮🤮🤮

[Thrivefourfive]

Thought all a team needed to win was franchise quarterback?! 🤣 Still not happy.
 

Need our QB needs to join those guys. Somehow. And this coach won’t be let go now, but hopefully after next when he makes us all looks like fools again in the playoffs. Buttt, maybe not.
 

I voted for one more year, because that’s as good as I’m going get toward McDermott being gone. 
 

It’s frustrating. If McDermott ever gets it done, he’ll have to be a better coach: game planning, X’s & O’s, game day execution and clock/timeout/score management and employ some experienced better staff. 
 

He’s won every big regular season game he can win, so I won’t get excited about that again.

 

The worst part is, on defense, I was getting deja vu all over again watching 2025/KC as I was watching 24/KC. I thought we were HEALTHY?! 
 

That did not stop the Chief from getting 7+ yards whoever the hell the wanted/needed it. 
 

I’m big on patterns. Not liking the Chiefs/perennial Deja vu convo with myself every last game of the season. 
 

Patrick Mahomes was UNCOVERED on critical 3rd downs. Can’t do it. It’s too easy for the Chiefs to put the Bills away. 

[Behindenemylines]

I recently had a chance to speak with an incredibly successful person whom employees 1000s of people worldwide.  
 

he has one basic rule-across his organization but of particular concern to his leaders.  You must be an A or better or you’re gone.  B+ employees end up hurting you-every time. It’s tough to move on from them because they are good so excuses are made and addition support is given, but they will always end up hurting the organization.  

 

the downside is that you may have to go through a dozen people to find that A.   Do we have time to find that A?
 

I think we all know McD is a B- coach, a B+ leader and an A+ human.  That’s just not an overall A coach-and it hurts us. 

So the real question is do we have time to find that A+ coach while we have Josh. 
 

[Nuncha]

Andy Reid couldn't win the big games when he was in Philadelphia.  Look at him now.  

[Billever76]

9 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

What two are you directly blaming him for? Yesterday when Kincaid dropped a pass thrown behind him, last year when Bass blew a FG? I'll give ya 13 seconds

How about a supposed defense expert watching his junk outdated scheme get no stops in the playoffs against elite teams

[DaVinci]

I dont think any coach in NFL history had this resume and was not fired.

[Mat68]

I think this was McDermott's best coaching job since 17.  In the end the flaws of the roster held them back.  Defense has holes.  The offense lacks explosiveness outside.  The Bills are right there.  A few tweaks and they get over the hump.  

Edited Tuesday at 02:35 PM by Mat68

[gordong]

I think McDermott into conservative a coach both as a coach and ESP as a defensive signal caller.  he is supposed to be some good defenive coach but the defense has been the weakest link of this team for it entire playoff run. this despite drafting mostly defensive players higher in the draft. 

 

  Not a fan of his,  and think the bills definatly need to make a change. and before dont ask me with who, there are qualified people out there...  Im sure they can find someone.   not to mention you have Josh Allen.   personally I'd try to find the best qualified existing coach and see if you could pry him from another team even if it costs some draft picks.  the defense has to get get better for this team to get over the hump, also not impressed with the special teams play either.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Behindenemylines said:

 

I think we all know McD is a B- coach, a B+ leader and an A+ human.  That’s just not an overall A coach-and it hurts us. 

 

 

I don't know that. 

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He isn't a route runner he is a space finder. He never ran routes at Boise and was never coached to run routes in that offense. When he first got here they tried to teach him route running and he just kept running into coverage. They backed off it and the way they use him right now is perfect. It suits his skillset and it suits the team. He isn't diverse enough to say "that's a guy we have to force targets to." I should be clear as well, because not sure I was yesterday, but have been previously like in the thread that predicted him for a thousand yard before the 2024 season - that if Shakir plays 5 or 6 years with Josh Allen I expect he will have a 1,000 yard season somewhere along the line. I just don't think he is a guy you can feature to the extent that he is going to be consistently a 1,000 yard plus guy. He is our most productive an reliable receiver currently, of that there is no doubt, but he should be a complimentary piece. That is the role he fits. The fact fans are talking about him as though he is a feature piece is an indictment of how the rest of the WR room has been built. And that's on Brandon Beane. 

 

It's simple, his catch% is among the best in the NFL, perennially.

 

My argument is that if he were to increase his snaps played, and therefore his targets, his output (yards, catches, TDs) would increase proportionally. 

 

You disagree.  That's fine, for as ridiculous a take as it is. 

 

No need to belabor this. 

 

 

[Augie]

54 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

How about a supposed defense expert watching his junk outdated scheme get no stops in the playoffs against elite teams

 

We lost to the two time defending SB champ by 3 points at their place in the AFCCG. We were very close. Let’s not act like we are total garbage. 

[GunnerBill]

59 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

I dont think any coach in NFL history had this resume and was not fired.

 

I don't think any coach in NFL history had this resume and was fired. The only guy (certainly modern era) who I can find who left after two Championship game losses without making a Superbowl with that team and without then suffering losing seasons that precipitated a firing is Schotty in Cleveland - who lost the '86 and '87 AFCCGs to Denver then went out in the wildcard in '88 to Houston and resigned after a disagreement with Art Model about playcalling.

8 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

It's simple, his catch% is among the best in the NFL, perennially.

 

My argument is that if he were to increase his snaps played, and therefore his targets, his output (yards, catches, TDs) would increase proportionally. 

 

You disagree.  That's fine, for as ridiculous a take as it is. 

 

No need to belabor this. 

 

It isn't ridiculous. His targets more than doubled from 2023 to 2024 (45 to 100) but his production only went up 34%. Because of the way we use him, the way he has to be used, it is the law of diminishing returns. Giving him another 50 targets wouldn't result in another third of production. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:29 PM by GunnerBill

[PBF81]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think any coach in NFL history had this resume and was fired. The only guy (certainly modern era) who I can find who left after two Championship game losses without making a Superbowl with that team and without then suffering losing seasons that precipitated a firing is Schotty in Cleveland - who lost the '86 and '87 AFCCGs to Denver then went out in the wildcard in '88 to Houston and resigned after a disagreement with Art Model about playcalling.

 

It isn't ridiculous. His targets more than doubled from 2023 to 2024 (45 to 100) but his production only went up 34%. Because of the way we use him, the way he has to be used, it is the law of diminishing returns. Giving him another 50 targets wouldn't result in another third of production. 

 

Stay focused here 

 

LOL, we used a completely different system this year.  He was in a different role as well.  

 

WITHIN that system you would see a proportional increase.  It's ridiculous to think otherwise.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Stay focused here 

 

LOL, we used a completely different system this year.  He was in a different role as well.  

 

WITHIN that system you would see a proportional increase.  It's ridiculous to think otherwise.  

 

 

No we didn't. There were differences but there was a lot of carry over, especially from what they were doing with Brady in the 2nd half of last season. Shakir's usage was very similar. If you just compare the Brady games 2023 to 2024 the drop off is even more precipitous.

 

He was targeted 3.5 times per game in the Brady portion of 2023 and averaged 15.1 yards per target in the Brady games of 2023.

He was targeted 6.25 times per game in 2024 and averaged 8.2 yards per target. 

 

Presuming that if you increase targets by a third again would result in a proportionate rise in production is really hard to justify based on those numbers. Now don't get me wrong, increased targets will result in increased numbers, but I don't think there is evidence to support the assumption that it will be proportionate. It was not close to proportionate with the previous doubling of targets.

[Billever76]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

 

We lost to the two time defending SB champ by 3 points at their place in the AFCCG. We were very close. Let’s not act like we are total garbage. 

In our playoff losses our defensive expert HC defense has surrended 34 PPG lmao 😂 😂 😂 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Billever76 said:

In our playoff losses our defensive expert HC defense has surrended 34 PPG lmao 😂 😂 😂 

 

Have you noticed they are beating everyone else, too? 

 

I’m not saying this is you, but hate can blind some people. 

[DuckyBoys]

11 hours ago, Nuncha said:

Andy Reid couldn't win the big games when he was in Philadelphia.  Look at him now.  

McNabb was a loser  He quit during a super bowl basically

[Mikie2times]

On 1/27/2025 at 7:24 AM, thenorthremembers said:

So you think the results may be a little skewed given its less than 12 hours after them losing one of the biggest games in franchise history? 

Any more so than if you asked this any year before the playoffs started?