Why moving on from McDermott is tough due to logistics

[london_bills]

The only thing that moves the needle is Josh Allen. He would have to kick off for anything to happen right?

[Dan Darragh]

2 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:

You have to do things! Can’t just sit there and run back McDermott every year when Reid is still there. 
 

TERRY, WE WANT IT ALL

Hey, Terry got us Lindy!  See, he's doing stuff.

[colin]

bellicheck, gruden, mccarthy.  I don't even think the last two are actually great coaches tbh, i'd put gruden slightly above mccarthy.

 

this team is built exactly how mcdermot wants it.  he hired the gm, he got all kinds of ex panther signed, he picked the other coaches on the roster.  he and daboll ended up hating each other because dabol is intense and won't just be a yes man.  mcd is the one who drools over "character" and all that crap.  it's just like when levy was the gm here, we outright sign and draft under talented players.  mcd is so scared of change and starting rookies and young guys he over paid to extend diggs, milano (he's a great player, but always hurt, off ball LBs are not premium), von (the contract sucks, the extensions just kept him as a hole in the roster and cap), Dquan, knox (better than dalton, but a top 30 te paid like top 10).  you could argue about the oliver extension too, but compared to the other ones that was a home run.

 

mcd has as much power as any HC in the nfl.  his d was doing really bad, his o was inconsistent so he fired the OC, the DC walked after cinci (wondering if frazier didn't buy what mcd was selling just like daboll didn't) so he just doesn't have anyone else replace him, and he's got a shocking talent at qb but he has never once had an OC who has ever once had success at the nfl level.  could you imagine either harbaugh or payton or reid marrying the best unit of their team BY FAR to a rookie playcaller, or a low quality retread like daboll was?

 

if the owner has anything on the ball, and sadly i don't think he does, he'd back up a brinks truck and get billy the cheater out of NC.  he almost beat us with the ghost of cam newton and beat us twice with that bust off trash qb from alabama.

 

we have a solid OL (played like butt last night tho) two really good RBs, the best QB, and at least four or five guys on D with some ability.  we have some cap room opening up over the next two years.  a good coach/gm can get this team rolling and give us an actual chance to win vs kc.

 

we've played kc 10 times since 2020, that's basically a division rival at this point.  we lose every playoff game the same way -- d allows them their best epa of the season and our O has no answers for the blitz, save the 13 second game where allen was on the biggest heater i've ever seen and mccoach messed up a kick off and every defensive call in the worst way possible.

 

it can't get more obvious where our weakness is, and where our failings are.

[Danger Mouse]

I'll take that 'weakness' over the 'strength' we saw in the period between 1994 and when McD arrived. 

 

Its not like we're even going backwards. It's clear we're growing every year. 

 

Everyone thinks Harbaugh is great - well, he couldn't get past the divisional this year with an MVP quarterback, MVP-contender running back and quality across his whole roster on both sides of the ball. Everyone thinks Shanahan is great - well, he couldn't get to playoffs with one of the most complete rosters I've ever seen. Everyone thinks Dan Campbell is great - but he's bottled it in his successive playoffs running (albeit with  injuries).  There was a time after 13 seconds when Bills fans even had McDaniel envy - I mean COME ON.

 

McD is up there with the best coaches in the NFL. Obviously he is. He's just consistently being pipped by one of the best to ever coach the game. His old Jedi master. And there's not another coach in the NFL who is going to out coach Andy Reid. (though Barkley might have a field day in the SB).

 

Being a bounce of a ball away from the best is not a bad thing - the internet will blame the coach for the bounce specifically - but the real coaching story is being that close to begin with. To even be hostage to the marginals is a story of how far we've come.

 

I don't think the problem is with McD. In fact, I don't think there's a problem at all. 

 

Defeat is just a part of the game. One that 31 teams have to experience every season. 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 10:27 AM by Danger Mouse

[iccrewman112]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'll tell you one thing...tonight's game definitely exposed some of Brandon's bad picks.  We're just not getting enough pop from our 1st/2nd round picks.

agreed. I think they should consider the rams strategy of trading 1st and some 2nds to get proven impact players. 

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You can wave goodbye to ever landing Ben Johnson.  And frankly I don't know if Terry really cares about a SB.  He's content riding a fun regular season every year with Sean.  Josh looked angry and pissed off at his post game presser.  Something is going to give some day down the road.

Just stop with Terry really caring.  I know we’re all hurting today but let’s not be ridiculous 

[Yobogoya!]

1 hour ago, Danger Mouse said:

I'll take that 'weakness' over the 'strength' we saw in the period between 1994 and when McD arrived. 

 

Its not like we're even going backwards. It's clear we're growing every year. 

 

Everyone thinks Harbaugh is great - well, he couldn't get past the divisional this year with an MVP quarterback, MVP-contender running back and quality across his whole roster on both sides of the ball. Everyone thinks Shanahan is great - well, he couldn't get to playoffs with one of the most complete rosters I've ever seen. Everyone thinks Dan Campbell is great - but he's bottled it in his successive playoffs running (albeit with  injuries).  There was a time after 13 seconds when Bills fans even had McDaniel envy - I mean COME ON.

 

McD is up there with the best coaches in the NFL. Obviously he is. He's just consistently being pipped by one of the best to ever coach the game. His old Jedi master. And there's not another coach in the NFL who is going to out coach Andy Reid. (though Barkley might have a field day in the SB).

 

Being a bounce of a ball away from the best is not a bad thing - the internet will blame the coach for the bounce specifically - but the real coaching story is being that close to begin with. To even be hostage to the marginals is a story of how far we've come.

 

I don't think the problem is with McD. In fact, I don't think there's a problem at all. 

 

Defeat is just a part of the game. One that 31 teams have to experience every season. 

 

 

 

 

The problem with keeping McD is that we are thus guaranteed to keep his defensive scheme, which is scientifically proven to be dead meat vs the Chiefs every postseason. Harbaugh and Shanahan and Campbell can all move on from their DC's if they aren't getting it done.

 

Hell, Reid ditched his long-time DC when he realized he needed to take his defense to the next level to win a championship -- and that's when the unholy union of him and Spagnuolo came about.

 

We needed more proven coordinators with some diverse ideas the last couple years, but McDermott has opted for the status quo and he will never hire a DC who's going to conflict with his ideas of what he wants on that side of the ball. And unfortunately what he wants just isn't working, and isn't ever going to.

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You can wave goodbye to ever landing Ben Johnson.  And frankly I don't know if Terry really cares about a SB.  He's content riding a fun regular season every year with Sean.  Josh looked angry and pissed off at his post game presser.  Something is going to give some day down the road.

It needs to give now.  Allen needs to have a discussion with Terry.  Allen is about to get married and knows he has possibly reached the 1/2 way point of his career

[JohnNord]

So many Bills fans can’t see the forrest through the trees.  
 

The reason McDermott won’t get fired is because he WINS.  He’s built a respected, winning and successful program in Buffalo that you can prove by just about every metric.  
 

Ultimately, he hasn’t been to a Super Bowl and with the exception of 2 teams, no other AFC team has either in the past 7 seasons.  
 

People want to pretend Reid and Dungy were just fired in some bold move because they couldn’t win a SB.

 

Dungy lost in the WC round (2000) and missed the playoffs (2001) after making the NFCCG in 1999.  He was fired in 2001.

 

Reid stayed with Philly for nearly a decade after losing 4 straight NFCCG’s.  He returned in 2008 and then was only fired after 2 seasons of no playoffs.  
 

So it would be unprecedented.  The closest thing would be Denver firing John Fox after 3 12+ win seasons and a SB appearance.  But Manning was on his last legs and they were going to blow up the team after 2015 anyway.  Also they had a familiar replacement with HC experience in Gary Kubiak.  
 

To your point, McDermott won’t be fired because there isn’t an easy solution.  But he’s also been a damn good coach

[UKBillFan]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

At the beginning of the season, a majority of media analysts didn't believe the Bills would win the AFCE. There's a 170 page thread (and multiple others) on this site debating how bad the WR room was, with the departure of Diggs, Davis, and every other WR other than Shakir. We lost multiple defensive players, and started the season with the thinnest defense of the McDermott era. With limited draft picks, and over $60M in dead cap (half of that from Diggs alone), Beane had very few resources to field a competitive team. And yet they made it to the AFCCG, and one score away from the Super Bowl. Sean McDermott, and Brandon Beane's jobs are safe.

 

Let's face facts. Like the majority of their time here they made a relative success because of Josh. As a GM and HC, your time is often dictated by your pick at QB more than anything and, whilst they've had quite a few draft busts since, Josh was not one of them. He was in the MVP discussion despite a much weaker receiving room than the Bengals, Ravens, Chiefs, Eagles, Lions, Rams, Vikings... you name it. And even when Cooper came in, Brady seemed clueless as how to integrate him. Shakir could be growing into a stud (Tom Brady's favourite word) and that seems to their only long term hope.

 

In truth, McDermott and Beane are safe as long as Josh says they're safe. If he starts throwing his weight around and saying he wants change, then Pegula will either have to listen to trade him. I do not think Josh is the kind of person to do that, though.

 

On a personal level, the one disappointment from last night when it came to 17 is I thought he'd got his nerves under control. Clearly he still needs some work on them early on. But again, Brady could have helped him with easy throws and a run game during the first series.

[ProcessTruster]

31 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

So many Bills fans can’t see the forrest through the trees.  
 

The reason McDermott won’t get fired is because he WINS.  He’s built a respected, winning and successful program in Buffalo that you can prove by just about every metric.  
 

Ultimately, he hasn’t been to a Super Bowl and with the exception of 2 teams, no other AFC team has either in the past 7 seasons.  
 

People want to pretend Reid and Dungy were just fired in some bold move because they couldn’t win a SB.

 

Dungy lost in the WC round (2000) and missed the playoffs (2001) after making the NFCCG in 1999.  He was fired in 2001.

 

Reid stayed with Philly for nearly a decade after losing 4 straight NFCCG’s.  He returned in 2008 and then was only fired after 2 seasons of no playoffs.  
 

So it would be unprecedented.  The closest thing would be Denver firing John Fox after 3 12+ win seasons and a SB appearance.  But Manning was on his last legs and they were going to blow up the team after 2015 anyway.  Also they had a familiar replacement with HC experience in Gary Kubiak.  
 

To your point, McDermott won’t be fired because there isn’t an easy solution.  But he’s also been a damn good coach

And frankly, while HOF coaches Spags and Reid brought the pain for sure, JA17 wasn't very good last night.   

 

Let's spread the criticism around to all the appropriate parties.  Spags took the scramble away, and for whatever reason Josh simply wasn't his usual surgical self from the pocket last night.   And the big bad O Line got handled in crunch time.   They got worked by the higher talent, higher energy, HOF coached team last night. 

 

And they still almost pulled it off at the end.   Go Bills. 

[DCofNC]

Just get used to it guys, it’s the new purgatory, too good to blow it up bc of the QB and never good enough to actually win it all.

[I'mBuff]

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

"Why moving on from McDermott is tough due to it not being something that will be talked about by anyone but angry fans"

 

Fixed it for you.

Should the fans be happy?

[VW82]

We do need to make a change because you can’t keep failing doing the same thing over and over. McD is turning into Doc Rivers. 
 

That said, I have little confidence in Terry picking the new regime. Beane needs to go with McD. These guys probably get two more years because Josh wins and they just signed extensions but if we lose before conference game next year there will finally be lots of pressure to change it up.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The whole thing is just so sad...

 

 

  

[RG Murdock]

What a completely and predictable idiotic conversation. McDermott is by far the best coach this team has ever had. If anything Beane has let the coach and the team down tremendously. Look at the FIRST round busts that completely let this team down yesterday. Kincaid, a complete bust, who plays like a 6th round pick. Two catches 13 yards, and a horrific drop at the end. Coleman. does not have the skillset to EVER be a great player. Invisible since he came back, and the worst stats for ANY WR chosen within the first 33 picks. But he talks like he has game. He's shown next to nothing. Elam, nothing else even need be said.... Imagine if these 1st round picks even played as competent as typical t 3rd round picks.  Beane has also totally whiffed on building a stout D-line, and a WR room worthy of Allen's talents. Yet this board trashes McDermott given any chance. I recommend posters here go over to YouTube to view Kyle Brandt's choice comments today about the "Complete Idiocy" of the Bill's Mafia's continuing to call for McDermott's head. He said it better than I ever could. "Moronic" was just one of the choice words he used. Josh doesn't have a Super Bowl ring because of Beane, not McDermott.          

[Buffalo Ballin]

Beane is the one who should be fired.

 

He has a lot of misses than hits.

 

But on the Bright Side (LOL), we performed better than pre-season projections. Way better. Never thought we be at the AFC Title game again. Never thought that our boy, Josh Allen, would limit his INTs. He's not a turnover machine after all.

 

Never thought James Cook was gonna be leading the league in TDs.

 

Never thought Shakir would be in Top 2 in YAC.

 

Wow. Unbelievable.

 

No more trash talking from our players before big playoff games. Stop it Dion Dawkins. Let the fan base and media do the trash talking.

 

Oh yeah, no more "this is our year. We goin' to the Super Bowl" BS. Just stop. Please. We don't want to sound like the Dallas Cowboys fan base. It's been a huge jinx. It never works out.

 

Dan Mitchell needs to stop.

Edited Monday at 05:40 PM by Buffalo Ballin

[BuffaloNuts]

Overall, I think McDermott did a hell of a job coaching this year. In a year where most questioned if the Bills would win the division or make the playoffs, he maximized this roster. Even with the questionable calls and much less talent than the Chiefs, in their house, he had the Bills in position to win the game on their final drive. Brady and Allen couldn't capitalize.

The week before, he had a great gameplan against the Ravens with 9 pro bowlers and 5 All Pros. 

I think McDermott can get it done eventually. I like Beane overall. He needs to start hitting more in the draft though. 22 was pretty good. Last year is TBD, I think we could see a few guys take a leap in year 2. You can't count Coleman out yet. He's had flashes and some receivers really start to shine in year 2 / 3. Beane has overall found some pretty good pieces in free agency too. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:

Speaking only about logistics.

 

1. Timing - there were coaches available for the past three weeks. Those prime candidates now have new jobs.

 

2. Joe Brady - If the agreement with a new coach is Brady is entrenched as the OC for at least one more year then you are likely hiring another Defensive coach, which many people believe is what has held Allen back.

 

3. Who is out there that can out coach a Reid Spags combo? 
 

4. If smitten with Joe Brady are you going to promote him to Head Coach and leave him with the play calling duties from the sideline and have Lou Anarumo as the DC? If he wants to make staff changes there pickings will be slimmer at this point in the coach hiring cycle.

Hire Spags, have him implement and call his defense. Keep Brady on the condition he opens up the offense more.

[iccrewman112]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

Hire Spags, have him implement and call his defense. Keep Brady on the condition he opens up the offense more.

you think Spags would leave his could sweet deal role?