Beast Posted January 27 Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Yeah. We got hosed. Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE. The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance. Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play. He may have threw it to Shakir but Allen was already running to his right and Shakir was till 10 yards deep in the backfield when Allen was running away from Shakir. Watch it again. Shakir is at the 36 yard line running to his left, still 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage, when Josh is running the other way.. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Allen tosses ball to the ref with the wrong spot who even got pushed off his mark a little by a Chiefs playerand not the ref with saw the ball and was marking it as a first down. Also why was Johnson in as pusher from behind? This was to me the play of the game. Why? Allen was calling it quick. Those are Josh Allen calls. Plus we got the first twice, but I don’t like to dwell on officiating because it’s all subjective. Don’t let the refs have to make a close call. Edited January 27 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
Doc Brown Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Beast said: He may have threw it to Shakir but Allen was already running to his right and Shakir was till 10 yards deep in the backfield when Allen was running away from Shakir. Watch it again. Shakir is at the 36 yard line running to his left, still 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage, when Josh is running the other way.. I already said I watched it again and I was wrong. The blitz got to him too quick to turn his body fast enough to get it over to Shakir. Just being able to give Kincaid a chance was impressive. I do think with Shakir's speed he would've easily gotten the first down though if Josh had a clean pocket to throw to him. Quote
Big Blitz Posted January 27 Posted January 27 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Yeah. We got hosed. Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE. The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance. Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play. He had ZERO chance to get it to Shakir - and watch Shakir on the route - he doesn’t even run it like he’s the 2nd 3rd or 4th option. He ran it like a decoy. I’ve watched it 10 times I’m not sure even if he did Shakir can make the 20 yards (he was 10 behind the line) to get it. Quote
uticaclub Posted January 27 Posted January 27 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Yeah. We got hosed. Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE. The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance. Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play. The line completely fell apart on the play 1 Quote
NewEra Posted January 27 Posted January 27 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: The previous play was a 1st. The subsequent tush play was a 1st. The deep pass to the 3 should've been an incomplete since NFL rules state if the tip of the ball touches the ground it's not a catch. Ignoring Kelce's endzone taught that seconds later result in Phillips getting a flag. You're kidding yourself if you think the refs didn't help KC along. Winning super bowls requires a lot of luck. The chiefs have it in spades. Every year. Back to backs terrible spots and that worthy “catch” -unreal. 1 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why? Allen was calling it quick. Those are Josh Allen calls. Plus we got the first twice, but I don’t like to dwell on officiating because it’s all subjective. Don’t let the refs have to make a close call. What came first, the chicken or the egg? The game was tight. KC only eventually won by 3 points. High leverage situations in tight games, Refs are bound to meddle. Bills tried to go up by more, but the Refs wouldn't let them. Refs kept game tight my making erroneous calls. This isn't opinion, it's fact. The Bills made the first down twice. Turnover on downs resulted in KC points... Just like the Bishop interception, incompletion screwed the Bills. That's not subjective opinion, that's fact, nose of ball touched ground and then Worthy gained control from Bishop. +15 points right there. Bills did everything in their power to not let Refs get involved, unfortunately the Refs wouldn't let them. Edited January 27 by ExiledInIllinois 1 Quote
NewEra Posted January 27 Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The Chiefs get the calls. Let’s be real Bishop had two hands on a ball to the Chiefs WR who had one, and the nose of the ball touched the ground and only after that did the Chiefs WR have possession. punt return multiple hands/blocks on the back. kincaid 3 yard screen ball was on line 40 and ref marks it short. allen tush push clearly broke 40, ref spots it short: total hose job. I hope the Eagles destroy Mahomes. 💯 🍀 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 27 Posted January 27 The Refs did everything in their power to keep game tight, hence high leverage situations. Every call broke in favor of KC. Strange... Hard to run away with the game when the Refs are keeping it tight! Even the kick return with the multiple blocks in the back!! 1 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) Bills were at 41 of KC when they got screwed. Maybe Bills go up by +8 first before Chiefs go up +7. The whole game swung on that hose job. NOT succeeding on downs is like fumbling the ball right then and there. The Bills made the 1st Down twice. They didn't deserve a "fumble" (IE: Downs). That's what the screw job basically amounted to: A Ref induced fumble. So yeah... Bills did have a turnover in the game... It cost them the game, but it wasn't their fault. Edited January 27 by ExiledInIllinois Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27 Posted January 27 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What came first, the chicken or the egg? The game was tight. KC only eventually won by 3 points. High leverage situations in tight games, Refs are bound to meddle. Bills tried to go up by more, but the Refs wouldn't let them. Refs kept game tight my making erroneous calls. This isn't opinion, it's fact. The Bills made the first down twice. Turnover on downs resulted in KC points... Just like the Bishop interception, incompletion screwed the Bills. That's not subjective opinion, that's fact, nose of ball touched ground and then Worthy gained control from Bishop. +15 points right there. Bills did everything in their power to not let Refs get involved, unfortunately the Refs wouldn't let them. To me it looked like he hit the line, which should give him the first. The catch/interception was tough. I see it hit the ground but it doesn’t move. So that’s a tough one to overturn. Quote
Livinginthepast Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Over and over again I am reminded by the simple fact that the NFL could fix most of this iffy or bad call situations of their officials. There is a chip in the ball at could be shown to exactly a Millimeter of where it is on the field and so could the first down line. VAR just like in soccer. Horrendous bad or non calls could at least be mitigated by one coaches challenge per half (Max). All of this is entirely possible right now. But shts they do not give. The game in the 70s or 80s might have been slow enough and the players slightly smaller enough for officials back then to see things better, but it hasnt been that way for 25 years. The only way to avoid the officials is for the Bills to repeat with a playoff performance like against the Pats in 2022 or the best game ever by a Bills playoff team vs the Raiders in 1991. Otherwise they are at the whim of the incompetent. bias or possibly crooked NFL officials. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 27 Posted January 27 43 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: To me it looked like he hit the line, which should give him the first. The catch/interception was tough. I see it hit the ground but it doesn’t move. So that’s a tough one to overturn. It does move! Changes control from Bishop to Worthy after nose touches! 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: It does move! Changes control from Bishop to Worthy after nose touches! I don’t see movement when it hits the ground. Quote
Einstein Posted January 27 Posted January 27 I said it in the game thread. McD needed to have challenged that Kincaid spot. 1 Quote
Beast Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I already said I watched it again and I was wrong. The blitz got to him too quick to turn his body fast enough to get it over to Shakir. Just being able to give Kincaid a chance was impressive. I do think with Shakir's speed he would've easily gotten the first down though if Josh had a clean pocket to throw to him. Sorry, I didn’t see your other response. I can agree with that. I think Shakir may have had to make a linebacker miss near the sticks but I think he picks it up. I wonder if Shakir motioning into the backfield keyed the blitz from the left side of the Bills o-line? Maybe if Shakir stays out that blitz doesn’t happen from that side. Edited January 27 by Beast 1 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 27 Posted January 27 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t see movement when it hits the ground. Bishop had control before nose hits ground, after, Worthy takes it. It had to move somewhere there. Ties break offense... BUT that's it is clean and doesn't touch. Quote
JerseyBills Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: The previous play was a 1st. The subsequent tush play was a 1st. The deep pass to the 3 should've been an incomplete since NFL rules state if the tip of the ball touches the ground it's not a catch. Ignoring Kelce's endzone taught that seconds later result in Phillips getting a flag. You're kidding yourself if you think the refs didn't help KC along. FACTS Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27 Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Bishop had control before nose hits ground, after, Worthy takes it. It had to move somewhere there. Ties break offense... BUT that's it is clean and doesn't touch. I’m not dwelling on it because they were 1st and 10 in Bills territory anyways. 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: FACTS If Kincaid stays outside he easily gets the first. Ugh. 1 Quote
DCOrange Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 hours ago, Sojourner said: If he had time and made that throw? Sure. But if he’s turning his body to the left to throw to Shakir he’s getting rocked and the ball is incomplete at best, fumble at worst. Speaking of schemes, why are we throwing a screen, something we’ve been awful at all year, to Cooper on a crucial and potential season defining 3rd & 10? How many more chances do we want to give our guys? ”they would have gotten it the next time” well if the defense was as awful as I’m reading, those whacky play calls shouldn’t have been attempted as they weren’t making another stop lol They maxed out forcing the FG And that isn’t sarcasm. Regarding the screen, Josh saw them loading up to blitz and audibled to it. Probably 9 times out of 10, that goes for a first down. Karloftis or however you spell it made a great read and got over there in time to shut it down. 1 Quote
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