Allen's worse pass of night was to the wrong ref

[Niagara Dude]

Allen tosses ball to the ref with the wrong spot who even got pushed off his mark a little by a Chiefs playerand not the ref with saw the ball and was marking it as a first down. Also why was Johnson in as pusher from behind? This was to me the play of the game.

[LABILLBACKER]

32 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Allen tosses ball to the ref with the wrong spot who even got pushed off his mark a little by a Chiefs playerand not the ref with saw the ball and was marking it as a first down. Also why was Johnson in as pusher from behind? This was to me the play of the game.

The previous play was a 1st. The subsequent tush play was a 1st.  The deep pass to the 3 should've been an incomplete since NFL rules state if the tip of the ball touches the ground it's not a catch. Ignoring Kelce's endzone taught that seconds later result in Phillips getting a flag. You're kidding yourself if you think the refs didn't help KC along. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

lol that spot was so comically bad…I was holding out hope for my sanity that maybe his knee went down earlier than the still image shows but it didn’t.  At worst that was like 4th and an inch and there’s no way in hell they’re stopping a sneak 

 

the ref is standing on the spot then places the ball a good half yard away from it 😂

Edited 19 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Doc Brown]

Yeah.  We got hosed.  Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE.  The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance.  Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play.

[ExiledInIllinois]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  We got hosed.  Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE.  The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance.  Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play.

I counter that if game was on square, should have never come down to that?  Why do we have to do more?  Sick of the victim blaming.

 

So in other words we have to be double perfect.  That's a big psychological load not even the champs have to endure. 

Edited 18 hours ago by ExiledInIllinois

[Sojourner]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  We got hosed.  Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE.  The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance.  Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play.

If he had time and made that throw? Sure. But if he’s turning his body to the left to throw to Shakir he’s getting rocked and the ball is incomplete at best, fumble at worst. 
 

Speaking of schemes, why are we throwing a screen, something we’ve been awful at all year, to Cooper on a crucial and potential season defining 3rd & 10?

How many more chances do we want to give our guys?

 

”they would have gotten it the next time”

 

well if the defense was as awful as I’m reading, those whacky play calls shouldn’t have been attempted as they weren’t making another stop lol

They maxed out forcing the FG

And that isn’t sarcasm. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Sojourner said:

If he had time and made that throw? Sure. But if he’s turning his body to the left to throw to Shakir he’s getting rocked and the ball is incomplete at best, fumble at worst. 
 

Speaking of schemes, why are we throwing a screen, something we’ve been awful at all year, to Cooper on a crucial and potential season defining 3rd & 10?

Yeah.  You're right.  I just watched the replay and I think Shakir was his second read.  They got a free blitzer in there though so that prevented him from going to that read.  Tip your hat to Spags on that one I guess.  Same as it ever was.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

If he had time and made that throw? Sure. But if he’s turning his body to the left to throw to Shakir he’s getting rocked and the ball is incomplete at best, fumble at worst. 
 

Speaking of schemes, why are we throwing a screen, something we’ve been awful at all year, to Cooper on a crucial and potential season defining 3rd & 10?

How many more chances do we want to give our guys?

 

”they would have gotten it the next time”

 

well if the defense was as awful as I’m reading, those whacky play calls shouldn’t have been attempted as they weren’t making another stop lol

They maxed out forcing the FG

And that isn’t sarcasm. 

That screen looked like an audible to me but I could be wrong…I thought cooper could’ve squeezed a few more yards out of that one tbh still would’ve been a scary 4th down but maybe a little less scary 

Edited 18 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[GoBills808]

24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  We got hosed.  Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE.  The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance.  Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play.

Shakir was literally 10 yards BEHIND the line of scrimmage when that ball was thrown

 

he was wide open because he is never getting a first down there

 

[Dr.Sack]

The Chiefs get the calls. Let’s be real Bishop had two hands on a ball to the Chiefs WR who had one, and the nose of the ball touched the ground and only after that did the Chiefs WR have possession. 
 

punt return multiple hands/blocks on the back. 
 

kincaid 3 yard screen ball was on line 40 and ref marks it short.

 

allen tush push clearly broke 40, ref spots it short: 

 

total hose job. I hope the Eagles destroy Mahomes. 

[Sojourner]

19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  You're right.  I just watched the replay and I think Shakir was his second read.  They got a free blitzer in there though so that prevented him from going to that read.  Tip your hat to Spags on that one I guess.  Same as it ever was.

Josh’s post game he explains it, first look was right for the play, protection slid left. After watching it again I’m not even seeing why you slide left pre snap. 

 

You have a bunch out wide to the left vs 3 dbs. Shakir motioned in then back out behind them. That’s a 4v3 with him possibly getting the ball running. It turns into an 4v4 but that’s cause the end drops into coverage. The worst part? That play probably works out better if Torrence doesn’t absolutely sht the bed. Dude let 2 guys walk between him and Brown. 🤦‍♂️
 

Ty or Shakir would have had a better chance to get that first down. Still amazed he managed to get that throw on target and into the arms of Kincaid at all. Wild. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Sojourner

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Shakir was literally 10 yards BEHIND the line of scrimmage when that ball was thrown

 

he was wide open because he is never getting a first down there

 

Yeah.  That's my mistake.  I got worked up because of the darn Twitter tweet before watching it back in real time.

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  That's my mistake.  I got worked up because of the darn Twitter tweet before watching it back in real time.

 

 

Only Benjamin Data Nerd Solak would tweet this as if the fog-of-war isn’t real thing. Allen has no idea if Shakir could gain that and would have to throw it blind as he had no time to check to Shakir and get ball to a diff target if he was covered. Kincaid was open and he has to catch balls that hit his hands. 

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

Only Benjamin Data Nerd Solak would tweet this as if the fog-of-war isn’t real thing. Allen has no idea if Shakir could gain that and would have to throw it blind as he had no time to check to Shakir and get ball to a diff target if he was covered. Kincaid was open and he has to catch balls that hit his hands. 

Watching the play back, the replay from the sky cam shows a deep shot to Kincaid is right there if Josh can step into it. Failing that Ty Johnson comes open right at the down line as does Shakir, don’t know if he makes that unless Ty can get a block for him. 
 

That wasn’t the case. Torrence head’s on a swivel whilst 2 guys are flying into Josh’s face lol

[familykwi]

23 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

The Chiefs get the calls. Let’s be real Bishop had two hands on a ball to the Chiefs WR who had one, and the nose of the ball touched the ground and only after that did the Chiefs WR have possession. 
 

punt return multiple hands/blocks on the back. 
 

kincaid 3 yard screen ball was on line 40 and ref marks it short.

 

allen tush push clearly broke 40, ref spots it short: 

 

total hose job. I hope the Eagles destroy Mahomes. 

I hope the league, err, the Chiefs get their 3peat.  Otherwise the league starts the cycle over again for the (red &) golden boy

[Dr.Sack]

3 minutes ago, familykwi said:

I hope the league, err, the Chiefs get their 3peat.  Otherwise the league starts the cycle over again for the (red &) golden boy

Chiefs going for 4 in a row to match 90s Bills, only the refs will decide, and imagine a 4-peat with victories. Insufferable kudos to Nick “Never A Doubt” Wright. He’s a stenographer much like Romo, Nance and Wolfson. Paid hacks who will have you believing in the “magic of Mahomes”, when in reality he gets all the f’ing calls of consequence. And spots. Every play was marked short. Coincidence? 

Edited 18 hours ago by Dr.Sack

[Sojourner]

12 minutes ago, familykwi said:

I hope the league, err, the Chiefs get their 3peat.  Otherwise the league starts the cycle over again for the (red &) golden boy

i hope not. that would be miserable lol. If Cook was running all over the Chiefs then you have to believe Saquon and the Eagles will do the same except continue to give Barkley the ball and no deviate away from him whenever they feel like it. 
On top of that, the Eagles have top quality in their defense. 
 

They stand a chance in any game where they have Reid & Mahomes but Philly win it, surely?

[Brand J]

34 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  That's my mistake.  I got worked up because of the darn Twitter tweet before watching it back in real time.

 

 

You can see why Spags blitzes are so effective. Seven players on the LoS, Josh thought the blitzer was coming from his left and two came from the right. Protection was slid the wrong way, Edwards didn’t even have anyone to block. Well schemed. I wonder if we ran an aggressively creative scheme like it, could we stop Mahomes like Spags stopped Brady?

[Sojourner]

6 minutes ago, Brand J said:

You can see why Spags blitzes are so effective. Seven players on the LoS, Josh thought the blitzer was coming from his left and two came from the right. Protection was slid the wrong way, Edwards didn’t even have anyone to block. Well schemed. I wonder if we ran an aggressively creative scheme like it, could we stop Mahomes like Spags stopped Brady?

In all my years of seeing plays, formations on both white board, TV or books there is very few times anyone should think the blitz is coming from that alignment. That screams a rat concept of it’s a blitz. Mike is buzz a gap all day. 
 

Why on earth would be slide left?!?!

Why on earth would you not have Ty Johnson in the backfield instead of split out  on the LOS next to Brown?!

A lot of follies in that play. Again, biggest of all is Torrence having the 2 players lined up right in from of him flash past free for the pressure. 

Probably not as Reid builds a lot of stuff into formations that allows you to see the weak spot with motion, on top of that you’re getting on top of the defense already. 

A good QB can pick you apart easier unless they’re heavily disguised

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The previous play was a 1st. The subsequent tush play was a 1st.  The deep pass to the 3 should've been an incomplete since NFL rules state if the tip of the ball touches the ground it's not a catch. Ignoring Kelce's endzone taught that seconds later result in Phillips getting a flag. You're kidding yourself if you think the refs didn't help KC along. 

Agreed on everything ,  but the ref with sight of the ball had the proper mark.  Either way he should have spoke up,  Josh was past the sticks and  the ball was past the sticks

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  We got hosed.  Still had the ball with 3:30 left down three and COULDN'T GET IT DONE.  The offense couldn't get past midfield and our defense of course couldn't force a three and out to give our offense one more chance.  Also, Josh Allen, instead of throwing a prayer for Kincaid maybe throw to Shakir who was schemed wide open on that 4th and 5 play.

I think Allen was not at his best,  you cannot waste downs in a crucial late game drive.  Putting yourself in a 3rd and 10 situation is playing into their hands.