Real Story behind the Buffalo Bills playoff woes. Josh Allen has every right to be Mad.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I'm still having a rough time dealing with the fact, our offense had the ball late two years in a row vs KC.  We had a chance to score the game leading or game winning TD in back to back playoffs vs Mahomes/Reid.   And what happened?  The Bills got ZERO points.  Two seasons, final drives game on the line.  ZERO points.  That is the opposite of clutch.

Exactly like the defense is rough but we had absolute jokers in due to injury both years and they got huge stops inexplicably giving the offense a shot.  The game flow was perfect for a win both times and they just couldn’t execute.  The screen call was really good and multiple guys just straight up lost their footing.  The 4th down play got botched pre snap and they still had a shot but Kincaid dropped it.  It’s not all on the playcalling/coaches 

[RunTheBall]

The defense is garbage. They only look good when Josh gets us a lead and they can just concentrate on stopping the pass.

 

Can someone tell me what the hell Groot was doing rushing inside and losing contain on Mahomes at LEAST 5 times including the TD?

 

We’d been playing contain all year, and very effective at it. What the hell goes through a dudes mind when facing the best QB in football who always uses his legs more in the post season?

 

How after he lost contain the first time was McD not in his ear saying “I don’t care what you do but you better not lose that edge again or I’m playing Solomon all game”

 

I don’t mean to pick on just Groot, the entire D sucked and Babitch got destroyed (although I think he was forced to play man because Elam is such an idiot that after 3 years he can’t figure out zone concepts).

 

[uticaclub]

6 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Dude, Coleman was a rookie. People are so impatient in the social media age. He’s a 2nd rounder, not a top 10 pick expected to make an immediate impact. I thought it was common knowledge that year 3 is typically when WRs break out. He’s shown some great flashes which is what you should see out of a rookie. I was impressed with his game against the Titans, it was a good display of his physicality. People tend to equate athleticism w/ pure speed which is only one aspect. I honestly think he makes a big jump in year 2. He certainly impressed me much more than Dalton Kincaid. 

The Titans were the worst team in the league. Everyone looked good against them. He isn't fast enough to beat any defender, so he has to rely on hand fighting at the line & was not very good at the 50/50 balls he was supposed to excel at. I hope he makes the jump next year and proves me wrong, but he's an athlete, not a football player; acceptable for college, not so much in the NFL. They cared more about his personality than his ability on the field. His drop rate was the same as Gabe Davis's without the periodical big games. 

[finn]

It's worth considering what we'd be saying about the Bills if Kincaid had caught that pass and the Bills went on to score and win. The commentary is almost exclusively negative about everyone concerned, but if they had won it would have been almost exclusively positive. That's irrational, since everything else would be the same. I do think the KC coordinators did a better job than ours, but, again, we're looking at the game through a particular lens; you find what you're looking for, and if the Bills win, we'd be talking about Brady's excellent calls, Allen's clutch performance, Babich's adjustments, and so on. (Even more satisfactorily, the world would be dumping on Mahomes, who is a godhead to the media.)

 

Reality is more dull than joy and despair. The reality is that Allen is incredible, the line is superb, and Babich and Brady have done an excellent job given the roster they've been dealt. Also reality: Outside Allen and the line, the team really is no more than average. Beane has a lot of work to do to get to the level of the Ravens and a healthy Lions team.

 

Meanwhile, no one will beat KC until the league decides it's time to choose another cash cow. 

[LarryMadman]

8 hours ago, Pete said:

Im too terrified to fire Sean.  Do you know how many 2-14 season the Bills had prior to the draught?   Do you recognize Sean shaped the Bills culture, and it’s real.   Do the names Hank Bullough, Kay Stevenson, Matt Kofler mean anything to you? Before we could not sniff a FA, let alone entice them to Buffalo.  Al Davis used to threaten his player that he was going to trade them to Buffalo.  Do you realize the national perception is that these Bills are Goliath?  That the Bills are the most popular team in the world?  We have come a long way baby!  And we are just getting going!

 

GO BILLS!

So then the question is

 

1) Would you rather win a Super Bowl having to go through the ups and downs that changing coaches brings until you find that guy to lead them to a SB win?

 

OR

 

2) Would you rather be relevent each year only to lose in the playoffs year in and year out never acheiving a Super Bowl win?

 

Give me 1 all day

 

 

[90sBills]

27 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I'm still having a rough time dealing with the fact, our offense had the ball late two years in a row vs KC.  We had a chance to score the game leading or game winning TD in back to back playoffs vs Mahomes/Reid.   And what happened?  The Bills got ZERO points.  Two seasons, final drives game on the line.  ZERO points.  That is the opposite of clutch.

No matter what else had happened throughout the game it all boiled down to this. Offense with the ball and elite QB to win the game and we failed. Not only failed but, this game, couldn’t even get past midfield. That really is unacceptable. People keep blaming the defense but the offense is the side that hasn’t delivered when the opportunity presented itself. 

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

So then the question is

 

1) Would you rather win a Super Bowl having to go through the ups and downs that changing coaches brings until you find that guy to lead them to a SB win?

 

OR

 

2) Would you rather be relevent each year only to lose in the playoffs year in and year out never acheiving a Super Bowl win?

 

Give me 1 all day

 

 

Or option 3.  We go back to KC and knock down the door.  Load up in draft, win FA, and win the SuperBowl last year in this stadium, and the following season in our new stadium.

 

how do you like dem apples?

[LarryMadman]

Just now, Pete said:

Or option 3.  We go back to KC and knock down the door.  Load up in draft, win FA, and win the SuperBowl last year in this stadium, and the following season in our new stadium.

 

how do you like dem apples?

No option 3, dont move the goalposts

[zow2]

2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

No matter what else had happened throughout the game it all boiled down to this. Offense with the ball and elite QB to win the game and we failed. Not only failed but, this game, couldn’t even get past midfield. That really is unacceptable. People keep blaming the defense but the offense is the side that hasn’t delivered when the opportunity presented itself. 

 

I know at the end of games, they are trying to work the clock down in addition to calling the best plays.  But in the future,  I would allow Allen to do Allen things.  Let him roll out on every play and give him a run/pass option.  Don't try to make him stand there in the pocket.  He's not at his best standing in the pocket in my opinion.  Too many receivers not getting open and sometimes he's just off.  He's better running around creating stuff.  That's his magic.  And Kincaid should have caught that ridiculous heave at the end.  and Diggs should have caught his heave last season.

[Aussie Joe]

18 minutes ago, finn said:

It's worth considering what we'd be saying about the Bills if Kincaid had caught that pass and the Bills went on to score and win. The commentary is almost exclusively negative about everyone concerned, but if they had won it would have been almost exclusively positive. That's irrational, since everything else would be the same. I do think the KC coordinators did a better job than ours, but, again, we're looking at the game through a particular lens; you find what you're looking for, and if the Bills win, we'd be talking about Brady's excellent calls, Allen's clutch performance, Babich's adjustments, and so on. (Even more satisfactorily, the world would be dumping on Mahomes, who is a godhead to the media.)

 

 

I wouldn’t be saying those things at all if they won …. I’d be saying that they weren’t at their best but found a way to win …

 

But they didn’t find a way to win 

[Freak-O]

11 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Because the coaching sucks

 

KC had their best offensive production of the year in points and success rate .... They had 28 first Downs and were 6/10 on 3rd or 4th down 

 

This has happened every single year in the playoffs. 

 

8 forced punts in 5 elimination games 

 

It's historically atrocious 

KC lost one game the entire season and the Bills lost by a very slim margin. ”Historically atrocious” is quite hyperbolic. 

[BuffaL0L0k0]

1 hour ago, LarryMadman said:

So then the question is

 

1) Would you rather win a Super Bowl having to go through the ups and downs that changing coaches brings until you find that guy to lead them to a SB win?

 

OR

 

2) Would you rather be relevent each year only to lose in the playoffs year in and year out never acheiving a Super Bowl win?

 

Give me 1 all day

 

 

2. Because in 1) there is no clu of how many and how deep are those "downs"and you might not even sniff playoffs, kinda the first 5 years after Jimbo, we made it twice if many, to the playoffs, then after 2000, nothing! You think you can keep Allen in that scenario? instead of reaching AFCChG twice, even if just to get ousted?

[BananaB]

The playoff woes all lead back to defense and coaching decisions. Allen can have the game of his life, walk off the field with 13 seconds left and an 3 point lead and still lose. And then no one takes responsibility like it’s a normal thing.  Let’s face it, if Bass hits the FG to tie the game last year does anyone believe the Chiefs don’t score at the end?  Sunday, if he does score without the clock expiring at the end do you all have faith in the D not to blow it? And let’s not forget in both situations the past two years the D stepped on the field with 3 timeouts and both times the Chiefs ran out the clock. 
 

It’s all about the D and the D is McDs system. Blaming Babich is hysterical because he’s just McDs puppet. 
McD called the plays last year, Babich this year, Leslie before that. It’s still McDs D and it’s all got the same results

Edited 20 hours ago by BananaB

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, 90sBills said:

No matter what else had happened throughout the game it all boiled down to this. Offense with the ball and elite QB to win the game and we failed. Not only failed but, this game, couldn’t even get past midfield. That really is unacceptable. People keep blaming the defense but the offense is the side that hasn’t delivered when the opportunity presented itself. 

Then our defense had a chance to make a stop with three timeouts left and couldn't do it.  I get the frustration with the offense coming up small on that final drive but the Chiefs hadn't put up more than 30 points all year until this game.  Four TD's and a FG should've been more than enough.  It's like blaming the doctor after life saving open heart surgery for still having to be on blood pressure medication.

[90sBills]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Then our defense had a chance to make a stop with three timeouts left and couldn't do it.  I get the frustration with the offense coming up small on that final drive but the Chiefs hadn't put up more than 30 points all year until this game.  Four TD's and a FG should've been more than enough.  It's like blaming the doctor after life saving open heart surgery for still having to be on blood pressure medication.

Yeah that’s one way to look at it. Another is when KC gets those opportunities to either get the go ahead score or close out games they get it done. They just find a way.
 

Depending on our defense to win games in the playoffs against quality opponents is a fool’s errand to me. The offense has to take it. That’s where the talent resides. On that side. 
 

So be it play designs and/or execution they have to be better in those situations. The last time I saw Allen with a stone cold look to do what’s needed was in the 13 sec game. Then the coaches failed him. Sadly, I have not seen that Allen against KC in the playoffs since. Last Sunday he looked so stressed on that last drive. There’s no way he could’ve performed optimally like that. And even then he almost pulled off the miracle.

[Rocky Landing]

I remember at draft time last season, numerous posters (some of whose opinions I actually respect) say things like, “ every pick should go towards offense…” or, “the first two picks, at least, should be for a WR…”

 

But anyone going into this season not understanding how thin this defense was, simply wasn’t paying attention. I recall Beane at a press conference in the offseason defending the roster by saying, “we’re not giving up on the season. We still intend to win games.”

 

And win we did. We were one score away from the Super Bowl, and if Kincaid had caught that pass, we would have been in a position to take the lead. 
 

I have no doubt the defense will be overhauled this offseason. I believe that was always the plan. 

[dayman]

The one thing that can be said with certainty is coaches, defense, offense, and even Josh himself have all chipped in and worked as team to make sure we lose these games. It’s been complimentary football.