Kincaid - what happened?

[tomur67]

Comparing Kincaid to Laporta or Bowers is like comparing apples to oranges.  Laporta is one of 2 or 3 viable receivers on the Lions.  The same is true with Bowers on the Raiders.   Right from day one, they were primary targets because of the other talents or lack of talent on their respective teams.  With the Bills, Allen has the talent and arm to go to several different targets and be successful.  The Bills philosophy of "everybody eats" will probably mean that we won't ever have a true #1 receiver or tight end.  Just my opinion.

[Magox]

This thread will be fun 10 months from now 

[balln]

For whatever reason Allen had an insane off target % to Kincaid. Is that because he can’t get open? Bad chemistry? Who knows. A LOT of passes were too high , too far out in front. 

[Puckman5]

I know this was posted  in another thread, but let’s see how he does this year. https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/source-provides-insight-into-dalton-kincaid-2024
 I wonder how severe the PCL injury was and if it will impact his play next year and beyond.  

[Trust The Process]

Any armchair draftnik knew Kincaid’s scouting report before the draft said he’s much more suited as a slot receiver as opposed to a traditional in line tight end because he’s not a good blocker. Also, It’s painfully obvious Beane didn’t understand the fact that we already have Shakir as our starting slot receiver and a damn good one to boot which means we didn’t need Kincaid and is a waste of a draft pick. 

Edited March 19 by Trust The Process

[hikerprof2]

Last offseason when everyone was saying we wouldn't miss Diggs because Kinkaid would be our number one receiving target, and I said people were overestimating him, the board jumped all over me. Suddenly he is the whipping boy. Well, what if it is neither? I was wrong and we didn't miss Diggs, but it was a system and not Kinkaid who replaced him (although the first 5 games I think the system was designed to funnel the ball to Kinkaid. Didn't work. Hence Amari Cooper as a decoy to open the offense up, and a run game that became dominant with complimentary receivers.

I think Kinkaid bounces back but never becomes the focal point of our offense. He does need to improve his physicality, and Josh and he need to get on the same page. The analytics are bad in percentage of catchable balls thrown to him, which is somewhat ransom so should improve. Kinkaid was thriving where teams focused on stopping Diggs, and were not worried about him picking up the extra two yards on his little eight yard curls. A scenario where Kinkaid is once again the "forgotten man" in the offense because teams aren't worried about him would improve his numbers. The irony is once he does improve, teams will take him away once again.

[artmalibu]

The team scored the 2nd most points in the league,  Allen was down 600 yards over the year before.  The #1 receiver only had 821 yards.  So, throwing the ball around was not the plan.  

He was the 3rd most productive pass catcher on the team after missing almost a quarter of the season, and playing several games hurt.  

 

Im excited to see what he will do in 2025!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloTX]

Kincaid would of had a GOOD season if just a few of Josh's passes weren't thrown over him. Nothing to worry with Kincaid, his 3rd season is going to be awesome to watch.

[Pete]

On 1/26/2025 at 11:26 PM, Success said:

Once in awhile - you have to make those tough catches.

 

He hasn't grabbed one of those yet.  He could have won this game tonight.

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

I’d be packaging Kincaid + a 5th to see if anyone gives us a 3rd

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’d be packaging Kincaid + a 5th to see if anyone gives us a 3rd

 

I see we've reached the point in the offseason where you look at the roster and start trying to off names for more Draft Picks. You'd have had us trading Dion Dawkins around this time in 2023.

 

But I'll bite...

 

As opposed to some of the names you've floated out as trade bait over the years - I'm not completely opposed to moving Kincaid. If someone wanted him and made a decent offer, I'd consider it.

 

But moving him would leave us with Palmer, Shakir, Coleman, Samuel, and Knox. That's it. We wouldn't be getting an extra pick in this deal, just moving up from one of our 5th's to a 3rd - which is more often going to get you a Dewayne Carter or Zack Moss than a Spencer Brown or Terrel Bernard.

 

I'm not convinced that he's going to become the star he was expected to be when he was Drafted. But I'm not so convinced he won't that I'm going to give him away for a two round swap to the 3rd after just 2 years. If that's all he'll get us, I'll take my chances with him in Year 3. Even a similar year to last year could probably get us the same trade or close to it next season if we then decided to move on.

Edited March 19 by BillsFanForever19

[BobbyC81]

7 hours ago, finn said:

Exactly. And that's pretty disappointing for a first-round draft pick (with a fourth-round pick thrown in). Based on their production to date, he and Coleman would have been reasonable fourth-round picks. They could both turn it around, though. Kincaid needs more muscle, Coleman needs to want it more. 

Yes, right after the season I believe it was McD who said Kincaid needs to get stronger to be able to fight thru press coverage.

[oldmanfan]

One simple answer:  knee.  He was playing hurt all year.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 1/26/2025 at 11:27 PM, GunnerBill said:

I'd try and trade him.

That would be extremely short- sighted. I’m as angry as anybody about Kincaid’s regression this year, but he’s still learning the position. Year 3 is massive for WRs and TEs. And TE is a MUCH harder position because Kincaid has to learn NFL route running, develop chemistry w/ Allen who is constantly going off-script, AND be a 6th O-Lineman when called upon. People say CB is the hardest to learn, but I am in disagreement. TEs have to learn 2 different positions. How many elite CBs have there been the past 10 years? How many TEs? It’s not even close. If Kincaid can develop into a Greg Olsen type (which I think is Buffalo’s realistic goal) then I think it is a huge W for the front office. Asking him to be the 2nd coming of Antonio Gates is a little too much. All in all, trading him would be stupid & rash at this point. I don’t think he should’ve been drafted in the first place, Dawson Knox was more than capable and Morris was a decent #2, but here we are. 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

That would be extremely short- sighted. I’m as angry as anybody about Kincaid’s regression this year, but he’s still learning the position. Year 3 is massive for WRs and TEs. And TE is a MUCH harder position because Kincaid has to learn NFL route running, develop chemistry w/ Allen who is constantly going off-script, AND be a 6th O-Lineman when called upon. People say CB is the hardest to learn, but I am in disagreement. TEs have to learn 2 different positions. How many elite CBs have there been the past 10 years? How many TEs? It’s not even close. If Kincaid can develop into a Greg Olsen type (which I think is Buffalo’s realistic goal) then I think it is a huge W for the front office. Asking him to be the 2nd coming of Antonio Gates is a little too much. All in all, trading him would be stupid & rash at this point. I don’t think he should’ve been drafted in the first place, Dawson Knox was more than capable and Morris was a decent #2, but here we are. 

 

I just don't know if we are committed to this offense if he is ever going to be as good of a fit in it as Dawson Knox. I realise he will not be traded. And it makes 2025 make or break for him. If he makes, great. If he breaks, his value might be lower next offseason. But I understand Beane not wanting to give up on consecutive first round picks in the same offseason. That would not look good on his resume. 

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, artmalibu said:

 

Over the last 2 years Laporta has 500 more yards in 4 more games on a team that throws the ball more.    

 

Kincaid holds the Bills franchise record for most receptions by a rookie and was held back in year 2 by an injury.  

 

One guy is a "straight up weapon" and the other is a dud?  

 

Dud? nah.  Weapon?--not in Buffalo.

 

500 more yards in 29 more catches.   They really aren't the same type of player.

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, artmalibu said:

The team scored the 2nd most points in the league,  Allen was down 600 yards over the year before.  The #1 receiver only had 821 yards.  So, throwing the ball around was not the plan.  

He was the 3rd most productive pass catcher on the team after missing almost a quarter of the season, and playing several games hurt.  

 

Im excited to see what he will do in 2025!!

 

This! In the wise words of Mr. Arron Rodgers, everyone needs to "R-E-L-A-X." 

 

Come on, this is the off-season; there is no time for wild speculations, fantasies about free-agent signings, or outlandish trade ideas. Everyone just R-E-L-A-X and enjoy the spring weather.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

One simple answer:  knee.  He was playing hurt all year.

 

 

Knox stated that Kincaid was playing with a torn PCL in one knee and an aggravated injury in the other knee. 

 

"It's insane what he's played through"

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

But moving him would leave us with Palmer, Shakir, Coleman, Samuel, and Knox

I see your point but do you think Kincaid added to this group makes some kind of significant difference? 

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I just don't know if we are committed to this offense if he is ever going to be as good of a fit in it as Dawson Knox. I realise he will not be traded. And it makes 2025 make or break for him. If he makes, great. If he breaks, his value might be lower next offseason. But I understand Beane not wanting to give up on consecutive first round picks in the same offseason. That would not look good on his resume. 

He was actually really good in late 2023 and in the postseason. He was playing quite hurt this past season in the second half. But of course he has to make that catch. I'm not worried about him.