Stat of the night for you all

[Sojourner]

11 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I'd agree. I just think some posters are trying to say the offense is more to blame for the defeat. I'd say it's the other way around. The offense got us to 29 - against that defense, which is far better than the injury bitten Lions or the Rams, that's very good going. It could have been more, but the Chiefs would/will be saying the same thing. 

 

On the final drive, there was a miscommunication between Josh and Shakir, then a batted down play, then the drop. It happens, sadly. For all the improvements on offense it feels like the expectation is Josh needs to be superman to win games still. It's not feasible, as tonight shows.

I can appreciate that and am not saying they’re in the wrong. 
 

The big picture is we expected the defense to flounder, fail or not even show up at all throughout the whole game. 
 

The offense didn’t meet the expectations we have had, seen and experienced many times. 
 

The defense was bad but not that far off from the expected. 

[DapperCam]

2 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Ok. Serious questions as 5% seems wildly low given the results the defense has shown against better teams…

 

Whoa to blame for the wild throws to start the game?
whos to blame for attempting a Qb sneak/push that many times in a game, one drive we attempted it 4 times?
whos to blame to see that we were struggling to use it but continuously calling it? 
whos to blame for not keeping Cook running the ball when he was chewing them up?

who’s to blame for running the slow developing routes for guys who can’t separate well and when there’s poor pass protection?

who’s to blame for calling a screen to one our slowest receivers in a crucial 3rd down? 
Who’s to blame for a player dropping a ball that’s right in his arms?

 

You only blame but never credit.

 

Who‘s to credit for hitting Shakir on a 3rd and 13?

 

Who’s to credit for hitting Hollins deep twice leading to TDs?

 

Who’s to credit for scoring a clutch TD at the end of the half to prevent the Chiefs from double dipping?

 

Who’s to credit for Cook scoring 2 amazing TDs?

 

Who’s to credit for Bass hitting all of his kicks and not looking shaky once?

 

Who’s to credit for a super long drive with clutch runs from Allen and the RBs to protect the crappy defense?

 

*** These are all plays that other teams couldn’t pull off against this defense all year. It was the #1 scoring defense if you don’t count week 18 with the backups.

 

If you consider the context of who we were playing, the offense played really well and the defense was terrible. Even their turnover was an unforced fluke. Otherwise the Chiefs would have scored 4 TDs on their first 4 drives. That is Bills vs Jags earlier this season bad.

[Sojourner]

Just now, DapperCam said:

You only blame but never credit.

 

Who‘s to credit for hitting Shakir on a 3rd and 13?

 

Who’s to credit for hitting Hollins deep twice leading to TDs?

 

Who’s to credit for scoring a clutch TD at the end of the half to prevent the Chiefs from double dipping?

 

Who’s to credit for Cook scoring 2 amazing TDs?

 

Who’s to credit for Bass hitting all of his kicks and not looking shaky once?

 

Who’s to credit for a super long drive with clutch runs from Allen and the RBs to protect the crappy defense?

 

*** These are all plays that other teams couldn’t pull off against this defense all year. It was the #1 scoring defense if you don’t count week 18 with the backups. No in

 

If you consider the context of who we were playing, the offense played really well and the defense was terrible. Even their turnover was an unforced fluke. Otherwise the Chiefs would have scored 4 TDs on their first 4 drives. That is Bills vs Jags earlier this season bad.

Do you just keep moving the needle where putting any blame on the offense in appropriate?

 

You said 5%. Those errors I asked total more than 5% of the game… so I’m asking how you came to the rough estimate of your blame assignment. 
 

But you couldn’t do that. Because like every other response it’s been added criteria. I noticed you dismissed the point about the defense giving up 44 points to stafford or 42 to Goff as being relevant. 
 

How many elite QBs did the Chiefs play? 2. Burrow and Josh. 25 and 30 points respectively. The last time was week 11. 
 

When did the Bills last play an elite QB? Last week. Before that? Weeks 14&15. 
 

Who’s the best QB and coaching staff combined out of those 4 elite QBs since week 14? Mahomes and Reid. 
 

There’s expanded context. I’ll wait for the next needle marker of criteria lol

[BullBuchanan]

42 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

They weren’t flawless last week, their elite defense saved their butt. The Bills score 2x more points than the Texans managed. And the Bills defense gave up about 2x more than the Texans allowed.

They didn't have to be to beat the Texans. They were in command of the game the entire time. When they needed to get the plays to close it out, they did - like they always do.

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I think some are just too scared to say the offense let us down in this one. 

They both were a let down. Defense allowed the chefs to score more points in a game than they did all year and the offense had some poor play calls and execution. 

[BananaB]

6 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I am so tired of people blaming one thing lol what’s so good about the chiefs is one side of the ball gets it done when the other is struggling.  Bills offense had a chance to pick the defense up on the final drive two years in a row and failed both times..  doesn’t absolve the defense but it’s undeniably true..  if they get that done, the conversation is all about how the chiefs defense struggles against Buffalo and not the other way around 

 

there can absolutely be multiple problems in a game lol 

McD is the problem. No ***** way in hell Brady wanted to keep running the QB sneak when it clearly wasn’t working. That’s McD, just like in the Rams game when he wanted his best short yardage play instead of passsing. Same *****. It’s a safe play Bills are good at, so they continued to force it, that’s is all McD. No one can change my mind that in those critical situations McD is putting his two cents in.  Let’s say he didn’t, he’s still watching what’s unfolding and if Brady is making the calls the HC should be saying ya gotta mix it up. Either way is bad on McD in my opinion. Even the last 4th down, we seen that play or something similar on  the 4th down that scored the drive before. Both play Shakir was doing a loop in the backfield when the ball is snapped. 
 

Even on the last sneak, instead trying something else the answer was to go fast to try to catch them off guard. So ya know it ain’t working. 

Edited Monday at 12:17 PM by BananaB

[Donuts and Doritos]

7 hours ago, Sojourner said:

 

Agree. They weren’t great by any means but we knew they weren’t going to be. 
 

Our defense stopped them in scoring territory and kept it to a FG. On top of that they shut them down in back to back drives to open the second half that kept us in the game. Don’t forget the fumble that was originally waved off due to Ed and his phantom offside but was later handed back to us by Pat in scoring territory. 
 

Im not giving McD a pass, so please don’t think that, im just being impartial to everything that unfolded, but the defense like you said did enough and wasn’t the main issue. A problem but not he main issue. We expected them to score and they gave up only 11 points in the second half with Kaiir “Leodis” Elam, Cole Bishop and Hamlin as the key cogs to that secondary.

 

The errors fall on Brady and his selections. I can give him a pass for running the Josh shorts earlier. I can’t give it to him for doing it again FOUR times on one drive. The fourth time ended up costing us and not converting it due to a bad spot/call by the refs. 
 

There is no way any offensive coordinator should be going to that play that much let alone on one drive. Especially when the team caused huge problems for you running it previously. You will never see an OC worth his salt doing that. 
 

Many have said he’s just another guy riding the back of Josh Allen.
Now I agree with them after that debacle. Any decent play caller wouldn’t be repeating that all day. They’d give them the same look and pull the rug.
Not Joe Brady…

 

 

 

Completely agree with you about Brady & the offense. But the stat line this thread is about is an indictment of the defense. That stat line says teams who's offenses have scored 4 TDs w/ 0 turnovers in the playoffs are 85-6. BC that was enough for 85 other Defenses to come away w/ a win. It wasn't enough for just 6 defenses & we had 2 of them including last night. That was the most points KC has scored all year. Sure offense could do more. My point is that stat line says the D needs to be better. But I agree the offense also needs improvement. Right now I don't have a lot of faith in Beane or McD to ever get it done.

[DCofNC]

7 hours ago, Sojourner said:

 

Agree. They weren’t great by any means but we knew they weren’t going to be. 
 

Our defense stopped them in scoring territory and kept it to a FG. On top of that they shut them down in back to back drives to open the second half that kept us in the game. Don’t forget the fumble that was originally waved off due to Ed and his phantom offside but was later handed back to us by Pat in scoring territory. 
 

Im not giving McD a pass, so please don’t think that, im just being impartial to everything that unfolded, but the defense like you said did enough and wasn’t the main issue. A problem but not he main issue. We expected them to score and they gave up only 11 points in the second half with Kaiir “Leodis” Elam, Cole Bishop and Hamlin as the key cogs to that secondary.

 

The errors fall on Brady and his selections. I can give him a pass for running the Josh shorts earlier. I can’t give it to him for doing it again FOUR times on one drive. The fourth time ended up costing us and not converting it due to a bad spot/call by the refs. 
 

There is no way any offensive coordinator should be going to that play that much let alone on one drive. Especially when the team caused huge problems for you running it previously. You will never see an OC worth his salt doing that. 
 

Many have said he’s just another guy riding the back of Josh Allen.
Now I agree with them after that debacle. Any decent play caller wouldn’t be repeating that all day. They’d give them the same look and pull the rug.
Not Joe Brady…

 

 

 

This has been my issue all year, it’s like his playbook has 6 plays in it and if they don’t work, they lose.  Well, here we are.  Zero creativity in the biggest game, was he still “holding back” like everyone kept claiming all year?

4 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Completely agree with you about Brady & the offense. But the stat line this thread is about is an indictment of the defense. That stat line says teams whose offenses have scored 4 TDs w/ 0 turnovers in the playoffs are 85-6. BC that was enough for 85 other Defenses to come away w/ a win. It wasn't enough for just 6 defenses & we had 2 of them including last night. That was the most points KC has scored all year. Sure offense could do more. My point is that stat line says the D needs to be better. But I agree the offense also needs improvement. Right now I don't have a lot of faith in Beane or McD to ever get it done.

The D looked over matched all game, they got a lucky turn over and that did get converted so that was huge. 
 

Going forward, the offense isn’t going to get better because the team is cash strapped AGAIN and needs to retool this pathetic D. It’s a vicious cycle, all on the back of poor drafting.

[UKBillFan]

5 hours ago, Sojourner said:

I can appreciate that and am not saying they’re in the wrong. 
 

The big picture is we expected the defense to flounder, fail or not even show up at all throughout the whole game. 
 

The offense didn’t meet the expectations we have had, seen and experienced many times. 
 

The defense was bad but not that far off from the expected. 

 

If we're expecting the defense to flounder to that extent against the Chiefs then thank goodness the Bills aren't going to the Super Bowl - as the Eagles would put up 40+ against it without blinking. And their defense isn't as bad as the Rams or stricken Lions.

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

With all the money and top picks invested, this is and has been a big problem and it starts with beane and McD

I don't feel Beane is as good at talent evaluation as many think he is

[Livinginthepast]

10 hours ago, MPL said:

I mean, it literally is the most statistically unlikely things going against us over and over and over and over, ad nauseam. Like, wtf? How? Why? 

As I say to people, being a Bills fan is a uniquely painful experience, where you find new and excruciating ways to lose every year, where you find out that there is no such thing as karma or justice in the universe, where the law of averages and odds  on winning and losing never seems to apply (losing 4 SBs in a row, are you kidding me). And, all that being said, you come back for more! Year after year!!  

[Goin Breakdown]

5 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I don't feel Beane is as good at talent evaluation as many think he is

Having Josh masks a lot of issues

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

We just have no answers on defense for anyone. It’s pray for turnovers. That’s not a strategy. The coach sucks. This is reality 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Having Josh masks a lot of issues

I stand by my stance that this is a 5-6 win team without him.

[Goin Breakdown]

9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I stand by my stance that this is a 5-6 win team without him.

For sure. The last 3 fora rounders are average to below average. I'm not knee jerking when I say this but we don't need Coleman. Elam can he let go asap and Kincaid has been very average. I'm just embarrassed that the team couldn't break away from their tendencies OR at least understand that the Chiefs would be smart enough to recognize and stop Buffalo from doing those things. QB sneak to the left, Josh rolling to the right. Not dialing many pass plays past the LOS and so on. Anyway I'm going to stop now. What do I know