Stat of the night for you all

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Well at least we have the Sabres to look forward to...... DOH!!!!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

So we can expect our defense which we know has question marks to hold Mahomes and the Chiefs to under 30 and be fine with it but can’t expect Josh and the gang to score 32+ on 9 drives? If we are going by season basis, our boys averaged 30ppg. 
 

The failure was a team effort. It’s not one or the other is what I am trying to convey. If it’s percentages it’s 60/40, offense/defense. Not a definitive yes or no for each unit of the team. 

I am so tired of people blaming one thing lol what’s so good about the chiefs is one side of the ball gets it done when the other is struggling.  Bills offense had a chance to pick the defense up on the final drive two years in a row and failed both times..  doesn’t absolve the defense but it’s undeniably true..  if they get that done, the conversation is all about how the chiefs defense struggles against Buffalo and not the other way around 

 

there can absolutely be multiple problems in a game lol 

Edited Monday at 06:11 AM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Man with No Name]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

Well at least we have the Sabres to look forward to...... DOH!!!!

i don't know how you hockey fans do it. there should be maybe 2,000 fans in those seats every night. 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

So we can expect our defense which we know has question marks to hold Mahomes and the Chiefs to under 30 and be fine with it but can’t expect Josh and the gang to score 32+ on 9 drives? If we are going by season basis, our boys averaged 30ppg. 
 

The failure was a team effort. It’s not one or the other is what I am trying to convey. If it’s percentages it’s 60/40, offense/defense. Not a definitive yes or no for each unit of the team. 

 

I'd say 35/65 offense/defense. Not all on the defense, but taking the season average is misleading when you consider they 'only' managed 30 with home field advantage in week 11. Logic would say they would score less as Arrowhead. As it was, one point less.

 

Every other team has managed to hold the Chiefs to 27 or less at Arrowhead in regulation this season. Ravens 27, Bengals 26, Saints 26, Bucs 24, Broncos 16, Raiders 19, Chargers 19, Texans 27 then 23. Are we saying the Bills defense is worse than all of these teams? If so, it's a miracle they got this far.

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I'd say 35/65 offense/defense. Not all on the defense, but taking the season average is misleading when you consider they 'only' managed 30 with home field advantage in week 11. Logic would say they would score less as Arrowhead. As it was, one point less.

 

Every other team has managed to hold the Chiefs to 27 or less at Arrowhead in regulation this season. Ravens 27, Bengals 26, Saints 26, Bucs 24, Broncos 16, Raiders 19, Chargers 19, Texans 27 then 23. Are we saying the Bills defense is worse than all of these teams? If so, it's a miracle they got this far.

Want to know the difference between all those defenses?

 

A pass rusher. Legit pass rushers. 
 

You’re acting as though I’m saying there isn’t a reason to be bothered by what was fielded defensively. I am. 
 

But like every other Bills fan if you had Josh and the offense with the ball to run the clock down and go up 4 or at the very least tie it for OT, you’d take it. Every single time. 
 

they don’t show up and everyone wants to throw lumps and allude blame completely to the defense. 

Team sport. Team let down. 

 

 

[DapperCam]

5 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

So we can expect our defense which we know has question marks to hold Mahomes and the Chiefs to under 30 and be fine with it but can’t expect Josh and the gang to score 32+ on 9 drives? If we are going by season basis, our boys averaged 30ppg. 
 

The failure was a team effort. It’s not one or the other is what I am trying to convey. If it’s percentages it’s 60/40, offense/defense. Not a definitive yes or no for each unit of the team. 

Not counting week 18 with backups in…

The last time the Chiefs gave up 32 points at home was the 2022 divisional vs the Bills (when their defense was much worse than it is now).

The last time before that was October 2021 vs the Bills (the defense gave the offense 4 turnovers and a turnover on downs, which helped that point total).

 

The last time before that was October 2020 vs the Raiders.

 

So you are saying the Bills should have done what no other team has done against this current iteration of the Chiefs with an elite defense. It’s unreasonable.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Want to know the difference between all those defenses?

 

A pass rusher. Legit pass rushers. 
 

You’re acting as though I’m saying there isn’t a reason to be bothered by what was fielded defensively. I am. 
 

But like every other Bills fan if you had Josh and the offense with the ball to run the clock down and go up 4 or at the very least tie it for OT, you’d take it. Every single time. 
 

they don’t show up and everyone wants to throw lumps and allude blame completely to the defense. 

Team sport. Team let down. 

 

 

Chiefs haven't scored more than 30 all season

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Sojourner said:

Want to know the difference between all those defenses?

 

A pass rusher. Legit pass rushers. 
 

You’re acting as though I’m saying there isn’t a reason to be bothered by what was fielded defensively. I am. 
 

But like every other Bills fan if you had Josh and the offense with the ball to run the clock down and go up 4 or at the very least tie it for OT, you’d take it. Every single time. 
 

they don’t show up and everyone wants to throw lumps and allude blame completely to the defense. 

Team sport. Team let down. 

 

 

 

I just think crap can happen. Look at last week. The Bills only definitively got to this game because Jackson and Andrews miscued on a wide open two pointer. At the end of the day, the offense went to Arrowhead and scored the second highest number of points to be put up on the Chiefs all season. Could it have been more? Yes. Would the Chiefs be saying the same had they lost? Yes. They'd be questioning the mess of a red zone which meant they had to take the FG rather than TD. Or Mahomes' needless fumble. Both offenses miscued. Both did enough to win the game nine times out of ten.

 

I'm not trying to absolve the offense from blame but switch defenses and the Bills are in the SB. Switch offenses and it's still the Chiefs who make it.

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Cooper DeJean, Darius Slay, Mitchell, Blankenship, Gardner-Johnson aren’t going to let 2000 year old JuJu Smith Schuster run wide open, or get out leveraged by Xavier Worthy. 

He's 28...

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

So you are saying the Bills should have done what no other team has done against this current iteration of the Chiefs with an elite defense. It’s unreasonable.

If you want to beat them, what alternative do you have? They're no worse than the 2nd most dominant dynasty in the history of the sport. They're flawless when it matters.

[DapperCam]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If you want to beat them, what alternative do you have? They're no worse than the 2nd most dominant dynasty in the history of the sport. They're flawless when it matters.

They weren’t flawless last week, their elite defense saved their butt. The Bills score 2x more points than the Texans managed. And the Bills defense gave up about 2x more than the Texans allowed.

 

McDermott needs to evolve past his soft bend but don’t break scheme. It can’t beat the Chiefs and the Bengals. It was probably very lucky to beat the Ravens last week. These are the teams we will repeatedly see in the playoffs. The offense for the most part plays very well in the playoffs and to expect more from them is probably not realistic.

 

For comparison, I doubt Mahomes is putting up 29 points against a defense as good as KC has on the road. We basically saw that last week (except they were at home).

[Sojourner]

19 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Not counting week 18 with backups in…

The last time the Chiefs gave up 32 points at home was the 2022 divisional vs the Bills (when their defense was much worse than it is now).

The last time before that was October 2021 vs the Bills (the defense gave the offense 4 turnovers and a turnover on downs, which helped that point total).

 

The last time before that was October 2020 vs the Raiders.

 

So you are saying the Bills should have done what no other team has done against this current iteration of the Chiefs with an elite defense. It’s unreasonable.

Yea. It’s unreasonable when we put 30 on them earlier on. 
 

 

It’s ok. I’ll wait for the “well that wasnt at arrowhead” response. 
 

You’re making it sound like I am saying the defense has no blame. I’m not.  It even remotely. In multiple posts since game end I’ve talked about this. I just don’t understand how no one wants to ask questions about the offense that are rational. And when they do there’s certain criteria used as an excuse. 
 

It’s the playoffs. They are the chiefs. The back to back Super Bowl champs on the road to attempt a 3-peat. 
 

We have up 28 points to the Cardinals. 35 to the Ravens. 20 to the Jets. 27 to the Dolphins. 20 to the Colts. 21 to the Chiefs. 21 to the Pats. 
 

You know the 2 scores that matter?

44 @ Rams

42 @ Detroit

 

Elite QBs. Away. If you didn’t think the Chiefs would score points in the playoffs at home against a porous pass rush and secondary, especially when Benford went down, then i dont know what to tell you other than you’re right and I’m wrong. Not that both points have validity and application. 
 

It’s not entirely the defense. Both units are to blame.

Edited Monday at 06:38 AM by Sojourner

[BillMafia716ix]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wrong. The offensive had the ball with a future hall of fame qb wifh 3 minutes to go to win the game.  They threw up on themselve.  The defense wasn't the issue.

Agreed. The truth hurts. The defense gave Josh a chance to go win it in the end and once again they came up small. 

[Sojourner]

7 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

They weren’t flawless last week, their elite defense saved their butt. The Bills score 2x more points than the Texans managed. And the Bills defense gave up about 2x more than the Texans allowed.

 

McDermott needs to evolve past his soft bend but don’t break scheme. It can’t beat the Chiefs and the Bengals. It was probably very lucky to beat the Ravens last week. These are the teams we will repeatedly see in the playoffs. The offense for the most part plays very well in the playoffs and to expect more from them is probably not realistic.

 

For comparison, I doubt Mahomes is putting up 29 points against a defense as good as KC has on the road. We basically saw that last week (except they were at home).

Difference, those teams have knockout pass rushers. 
 

We aren’t even remotely close to the front end defensively as Houston. 

[DapperCam]

2 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Yea. It’s unreasonable when we put 30 on them earlier on. 
 

 

It’s ok. I’ll wait for the “well that was at arrowhead” response. 
 

You’re making it sound like I am saying the defense has no blame. I’m not.  It even remotely. In multiple posts since game end I’ve talked about this. I just don’t understand how no one wants to ask questions about the offense that are rational. And when they do there’s certain criteria used as an excuse. 
 

It’s the playoffs. They are the chiefs. The back to back Super Bowl champs on the road to attempt a 3-peat. 
 

We have up 28 points to the Cardinals. 35 to the Ravens. 20 to the Jets. 27 to the Dolphins. 20 to the Colts. 21 to the Chiefs. 21 to the Pats. 
 

You know the 2 scores that matter?

44 @ Rams

42 @ Detroit

 

Elite QBs. Away. If you didn’t think the Chiefs would score points in the playoffs at home against a porous pass rush and secondary, especially when Benford went down, then i dont know what to tell you other than you’re right and I’m wrong. Not that both points have validity and application. 
 

It’s not entirely the defense. Both units are to blame.

I guess I just disagree. I put 5% of the blame on the offense and 95% of the blame on the defense.

 

One unit put up the best performance against a team all year and another unit put up the worst performance. It’s pretty black and white IMO.

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Yea. It’s unreasonable when we put 30 on them earlier on. 
 

 

It’s ok. I’ll wait for the “well that was at arrowhead” response. 
 

You’re making it sound like I am saying the defense has no blame. I’m not.  It even remotely. In multiple posts since game end I’ve talked about this. I just don’t understand how no one wants to ask questions about the offense that are rational. And when they do there’s certain criteria used as an excuse. 
 

It’s the playoffs. They are the chiefs. The back to back Super Bowl champs on the road to attempt a 3-peat. 
 

We have up 28 points to the Cardinals. 35 to the Ravens. 20 to the Jets. 27 to the Dolphins. 20 to the Colts. 21 to the Chiefs. 21 to the Pats. 
 

You know the 2 scores that matter?

44 @ Rams

42 @ Detroit

 

Elite QBs. Away. If you didn’t think the Chiefs would score points in the playoffs at home against a porous pass rush and secondary, especially when Benford went down, then i dont know what to tell you other than you’re right and I’m wrong. Not that both points have validity and application. 
 

It’s not entirely the defense. Both units are to blame.

 

I'd agree. I just think some posters are trying to say the offense is more to blame for the defeat. I'd say it's the other way around. The offense got us to 29 - against that defense, which is far better than the injury bitten Lions or the Rams, that's very good going. It could have been more, but the Chiefs would/will be saying the same thing. 

 

On the final drive, there was a miscommunication between Josh and Shakir, then a batted down play, then the drop. It happens, sadly. For all the improvements on offense it feels like the expectation is Josh needs to be superman to win games still. It's not feasible, as tonight shows.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

D is not good enough 

and that Punt return also was critical...

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wrong. The offensive had the ball with a future hall of fame qb wifh 3 minutes to go to win the game.  They threw up on themselve.  The defense wasn't the issue.

After first having given up the highest point total of the Chefs’ season. But yes, Dalton yet again didn’t help the cause either. 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wrong. The offensive had the ball with a future hall of fame qb wifh 3 minutes to go to win the game.  They threw up on themselve.  The defense wasn't the issue.

Spags fooled Allen with a well disguised blitz. Allen slid protection the wrong way. He was still able to get an incredible pass off that should’ve been caught. That’s not throwing up on themselves. Sometimes you gotta tip your cap to the opponent. 

[streetkings01]

6 trips inside the Bills redzone…..4 touchdowns, 1 FG and 1 kneel down. Would’ve been great if the defense could’ve forced a FG try on at least 1 of those trips instead of giving up 6, but that’s too much to ask.

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

I guess I just disagree. I put 5% of the blame on the offense and 95% of the blame on the defense.

 

One unit put up the best performance against a team all year and another unit put up the worst performance. It’s pretty black and white IMO.

Ok. Serious questions as 5% seems wildly low given the results the defense has shown against better teams…

 

Whoa to blame for the wild throws to start the game?
whos to blame for attempting a Qb sneak/push that many times in a game, one drive we attempted it 4 times?
whos to blame to see that we were struggling to use it but continuously calling it? 
whos to blame for not keeping Cook running the ball when he was chewing them up?

who’s to blame for running the slow developing routes for guys who can’t separate well and when there’s poor pass protection?

who’s to blame for calling a screen to one our slowest receivers in a crucial 3rd down? 
Who’s to blame for a player dropping a ball that’s right in his arms?