Stat of the night for you all

[Bockeye]

1 hour ago, MPL said:

I mean, it literally is the most statistically unlikely things going against us over and over and over and over, ad nauseam. Like, wtf? How? Why? 

Refs.

 

 

they gave them 14 points 

 

[Billz4ever]

13 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

McD has his faults and needs to answer some questions but that doesn’t fit the narrative for these people. 
 

This game wasn’t on McD. He had the balls to try and win the game. Our offense didn’t execute on two drives resulting in turnovers. 
 

If any coach needs to go, I’m honestly hoping it’s Brady. I’ve never seen a guy so stubborn to adapt throughout a game. Then again, why am I surprised? He’s not adapted play calling situationally for a whole season. 

 

To see us keep going to the well with the tush push and running right at where the Chiefs knew it was going and had stacked was maddening.  At the very least, they could've tried it on the right side behind Torrence and Brown.

 

And to be honest, we got lucky we didn't lose the ball when Josh went over the top.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wrong. The offensive had the ball with a future hall of fame qb wifh 3 minutes to go to win the game.  They threw up on themselve.  The defense wasn't the issue.

To say the D "wasn't the issue" is insane IMO.  The Chiefs defense is their strength.  Our offense went toe to toe with them all night and acquitted themselves well.  In contrast the D started and finished poorly. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Old Coot said:

Defense was AN issue but there were others: the O

 

If I see this one more time...

 

THE O PUT UP 29 POINTS. IT WAS THE MOST THE CHIEFS GAVE UP ALL SEASON AT ARROWHEAD. IT WAS ONLY ONE POINT LESS THAN THE BILLS MANAGED AT OP IN WEEK 11. 

 

Yes, the Offense had issues. But you go away and put up 29 points against a team that hasn't scored over 30 all season? It should be a win. FFS the Texans kept them to 23 last week.

[Dick_Cheney]

I can't believe how terrible the spotting of that ball was especially when all the announcers and Gene were saying it was good. I genuinely think we win if they get that call right. Sure we could've played better but we played how we played and that was a stab in the gut. Honestly sickening.

[Chugga]

13 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Honestly outside of the running game and wide out screens I am not sure what Brady is really scheming up.  Onto next season I guess.

Despite having the potential MVP on our team there were numerous times this year where things just look difficult on offense.  A lot of times it feels like if the running game isn’t really dominant it’s 100% up to Josh to make it work.  Our drives are 50 plays long with quick screens and every third down feels like it requires magic.

 

Then the opposing team gets the ball and it’s 5 yards, 9 yards, 13 yards, 8 yards, 9 yards, etc.

 

Things haven’t “looked easy” on offense since Daboll.  For being as dominant as an offense as we are it NEVER looks easy.

[streetkings01]

Bottom line….29 points is more than enough points to win a playoff game in 90% of games. The disturbing issue is under McDermott we seem to always need 35+ points to beat the Chiefs which you can’t count on against a consistently top tier Chiefs defense.

 

Bengals held them to 24 and 23 points in the playoffs….Ravens held them to 17. 29 points should always be more than enough in a playoff game unless you’re the Bills!

 

Bills on the season averaged 30.6 ppg….Chiefs averaged 23.2. One team scored 1 less point than their average while the other scored close to 10 points over their average…..tell me who should get most of the blame again?

Edited 22 hours ago by streetkings01

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

A 4th and inches ‘stop’ in good field position for the chiefs is essentially a turnover and functioned exactly like a turnover in this one.  That stat is kinda bollocks 

Edited 22 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Chugga said:

Despite having the potential MVP on our team there were numerous times this year where things just look difficult on offense.  A lot of times it feels like if the running game isn’t really dominant it’s 100% up to Josh to make it work.  Our drives are 50 plays long with quick screens and every third down feels like it requires magic.

 

Then the opposing team gets the ball and it’s 5 yards, 9 yards, 13 yards, 8 yards, 9 yards, etc.

 

Things haven’t “looked easy” on offense since Daboll.  For being as dominant as an offense as we are it NEVER looks easy.

 

If Josh and maybe Cook don't make splash plays then the offense stalls. It's only because they've been so good all year that the offense routinely scores so many points. 29 should have been enough tonight. But I agree with you on 'hard work'.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Bottom line….29 points is more than enough points to win a playoff game in 90% of games. The disturbing issue is under McDermott we seem to always need 35+ points to beat the Chiefs which you can’t count on against a consistently top tier Chiefs defense.

 

Bengals held them to 24 and 23 points in the playoffs….Ravens held them to 17. 29 points should always be more than enough in a playoff game unless you’re the Bills!

And the chiefs won 2/3 of those games and completely uncharacteristically imploded in the other one.. people don’t talk about game flow enough..  if the Texans and ravens weren’t tomato cans on offense in those games the chiefs absolutely would’ve scored more points 

[DapperCam]

25 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

 

The defense and that of what McD has built needs to be heavily changed. No disagreement but when it comes to the absolute basis of rationality going into this game, we as fans knew what we had.

 

They actually did everything people wanted. 
 

Make a couple of stops and get a turnover/s. 
 

They kept the Chiefs from running away at it to open the second half. Don’t understand why they can’t be given any credit. 

If we’re assigning blame

- That was the most points the Chiefs O has scored all season (actually going back almost 2 seasons to Sept 2023).

- That was the 2nd most points surrendered by the Chiefs this season (#1 being the Bills earlier this season, not counting week 18). Otherwise the Chiefs haven’t given up that many points since the 2022 season Super Bowl vs the Eagles, and they haven’t given up that many points at home since October 2022.

 

So, the Bills put up the best offensive performance vs the Chiefs in 2 seasons of any team (or 3 if you just say at Arrowhead) and the worst defensive performance in 2 seasons.

 

It’s crazy to say, “well if you have the ball last you should win.” Bottom line is our defense was terrible and the offense played well even if they couldn’t put that final drive together.

[Sojourner]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

If I see this one more time...

 

THE O PUT UP 29 POINTS. IT WAS THE MOST THE CHIEFS GAVE UP ALL SEASON AT ARROWHEAD. IT WAS ONLY ONE POINT LESS THAN THE BILLS MANAGED AT OP IN WEEK 11. 

 

Yes, the Offense had issues. But you go away and put up 29 points against a team that hasn't scored over 30 all season? It should be a win. FFS the Texans kept them to 23 last week.

Dude. 
 

People who are saying the offense are not saying there is no blame that falls on the defense. It does. 100%. They played poor but we all knew they weren’t great. 
 

The offense had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over on downs twice. 
 

KC had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over via fumble. Their final drive iced the game. 
 

Ask any Bills fan from Monday to 6:29pm EST if we would take 9 drives a piece but you only knew the outcome of KC’s first 8 drives; 2 punts, a turnover and 32 points… would we outscore them in 9 of our own drives?

 

Most Bills fans would say yes. Guaranteed. 

[streetkings01]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

If we’re assigning blame

- That was the most points the Chiefs O has scored all season (actually going back almost 2 seasons to Sept 2023).

- That was the 2nd most points surrendered by the Chiefs this season (#1 being the Bills earlier this season, not counting week 18). Otherwise the Chiefs haven’t given up that many points since the 2022 season Super Bowl vs the Eagles, and they haven’t given up that many points at home since October 2022.

 

So, the Bills put up the best offensive performance vs the Chiefs in 2 seasons of any team (or 3 if you just say at Arrowhead) and the worst defensive performance in 2 seasons.

 

It’s crazy to say, “well if you have the ball last you should win.” Bottom line is our defense was terrible and the offense played well even if they couldn’t put that final drive together.

Bills on the season averaged 30.6 ppg….Chiefs averaged 23.2. One team scored 1 less point than their average while the other scored close to 10 points over their average 

[gobills404]

I already posted this in another thread but I’m gonna post it here too.

 

Chiefs vs Bills in playoffs: 34.75 ppg

 

Chiefs vs everyone else in playoffs: 23.5 ppg

 

This is since 2020 but excluding the year the Bills didn’t play the Chiefs (2022).

[streetkings01]

1 minute ago, Sojourner said:

Dude. 
 

People who are saying the offense are not saying there is no blame that falls on the defense. It does. 100%. They played poor but we all knew they weren’t great. 
 

The offense had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over on downs twice. 
 

KC had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over via fumble. Their final drive iced the game. 
 

Ask any Bills fan from Monday to 6:29pm EST if we would take 9 drives a piece but you only knew the outcome of KC’s first 8 drives; 2 punts, a turnover and 32 points… would we outscore them in 9 of our own drives?

 

Most Bills fans would say yes. Guaranteed. 

I think we can all agree that in the playoffs we need both sides of the football to play good games which we have yet to see against the Chiefs in the McDermott era!

[DapperCam]

3 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Dude. 
 

People who are saying the offense are not saying there is no blame that falls on the defense. It does. 100%. They played poor but we all knew they weren’t great. 
 

The offense had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over on downs twice. 
 

KC had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over via fumble. Their final drive iced the game. 
 

Ask any Bills fan from Monday to 6:29pm EST if we would take 9 drives a piece but you only knew the outcome of KC’s first 8 drives; 2 punts, a turnover and 32 points… would we outscore them in 9 of our own drives?

 

Most Bills fans would say yes. Guaranteed. 

I would not say we would outscore the Chiefs on the road if you told me they scored 32 points. If most Bills fans would say yes then they don’t know how good the KC defense is.

[Sojourner]

3 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

If we’re assigning blame

- That was the most points the Chiefs O has scored all season (actually going back almost 2 seasons to Sept 2023).

- That was the 2nd most points surrendered by the Chiefs this season (#1 being the Bills earlier this season, not counting week 18). Otherwise the Chiefs haven’t given up that many points since the 2022 season Super Bowl vs the Eagles, and they haven’t given up that many points at home since October 2022.

 

So, the Bills put up the best offensive performance vs the Chiefs in 2 seasons of any team (or 3 if you just say at Arrowhead) and the worst defensive performance in 2 seasons.

 

It’s crazy to say, “well if you have the ball last you should win.” Bottom line is our defense was terrible and the offense played well even if they couldn’t put that final drive together.

Blame is assigned to the defense. There isn’t any absolving of that. They were poor. But again… every single fan knew they were going to get picked apart of the pass rush wasn’t there. 
 

The point is you have to hold the offense as accountable as the defense. There isn’t a single all-pro HOF player in their prime on that side of the ball. There is under center. 
 

The defense is a known problem. The offense had question marks we have proven to overcome. 
 

There is absolute justification for more than half of the blame to fall on Brady and the offense for not walking out of there with a W. 

[ShakAttack]

Well it sure as hell isn’t as clear cut this year is it? Normally we can say we lost the game because of x.

 

This year it feels like a combination of x, y, z

 

So where do we go with our first draft pick? I’d say go BPA between whichever WR, DE, Safety or maybe even CB is out there. Even that doesn’t sound right. I really don’t know. 
 

The problem is, despite everything, the game was there for the taking, and the defense DID give us a chance to win at the end, and the SURE HANDED Kincaid dropped a 4th down pass. 
 

come on now we have been watching these chiefs-bills games forever now. The first 3 quarters don’t matter; it’s always going to end up being close. It’s who will win on that last drive. It was the chiefs defense, yet again.  Just like against Cincy 2 years ago and against SF in the Super Bowl last season.  
 

The bills, Cincy, and Niners all had the ball late on offense in these games with a real chance to win and the chiefs d stopped all 3 of us. 

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Dude. 
 

People who are saying the offense are not saying there is no blame that falls on the defense. It does. 100%. They played poor but we all knew they weren’t great. 
 

The offense had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over on downs twice. 
 

KC had 9 drives. Punted twice and turned the ball over via fumble. Their final drive iced the game. 
 

Ask any Bills fan from Monday to 6:29pm EST if we would take 9 drives a piece but you only knew the outcome of KC’s first 8 drives; 2 punts, a turnover and 32 points… would we outscore them in 9 of our own drives?

 

Most Bills fans would say yes. Guaranteed. 

 

I personally think that's underestimating the Chiefs defense. If you told me they would score 32 I'd say the Bills would lose unless everything fell perfectly. And it's not fair to consistently ask the offense to be perfect to hold up the defense. The defense didn't even have to be perfect themselves. Hold the Chiefs below 30. They had only hit that mark once in regulation across the entire season, and that was against the Panthers.

 

Did the offense have issues? Yes. Is that the reason the Bills lost? No.

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I personally think that's underestimating the Chiefs defense. If you told me they would score 32 I'd say the Bills would lose unless everything fell perfectly. And it's not fair to consistently ask the offense to be perfect to hold up the defense. The defense didn't even have to be perfect themselves. Hold the Chiefs below 30. They had only hit that mark once in regulation across the entire season, and that was against the Panthers.

 

Did the offense have issues? Yes. Is that the reason the Bills lost? No.

So we can expect our defense which we know has question marks to hold Mahomes and the Chiefs to under 30 and be fine with it but can’t expect Josh and the gang to score 32+ on 9 drives? If we are going by season basis, our boys averaged 30ppg. 
 

The failure was a team effort. It’s not one or the other is what I am trying to convey. If it’s percentages it’s 60/40, offense/defense. Not a definitive yes or no for each unit of the team.