Josh choked tonight

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The point about turnover worthy plays is not be be obsessed, you do it because one game is a small sample size and sometimes you get a better view on performance than looking deeper than just the stats.   You play the game again, you likely have turnovers.

A lot of those were really low percentage turnover chances that people are exaggerating imo.  That first series he threw an absolute rocket behind the defender no one is catching that. You’re probably not losing a fumble that you are falling right on top of momentum wise either on those Davis run/josh sneak fumbles.  Only one that truly looked like kc had a legitimate shot at was the strip but Allen made a great play scooping it before a kc defender could even get there so I wouldn’t even call that luck 

 

not to mention, the second low ish percentage INT chance on the first drive doesn’t even happen if they intercept the first, and if they turn it over there what does it even change?  Bills punted and kc scored a td 

Edited Monday at 04:54 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Buffalo4Life01]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Are you guys all latching onto a bad tweet or something? Lol. He made the perfect read on the 4th down play…the orbit motion if he could even get the ball out in time throwing to his left was very very likely getting blown up before the line to gain and that’s not a risk you can take.  Kincaid was coming open with guaranteed yardage to pick up the first and dropped the ball 

100% this.  If that is the pass Allen decides to make, Shakir then has to absolutely make one guy miss to pick up the first down, maybe 2.  He would be destroyed for not throwing the ball past the sticks, that I can guarantee you.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Buffalo4Life01 said:

100% this.  If that is the pass Allen decides to make, Shakir then has to absolutely make one guy miss to pick up the first down, maybe 2.  He would be destroyed for not throwing the ball past the sticks, that I can guarantee you.

 

As he was earlier in the game, to Coleman. The immediate response in the GDT was "Why are we throwing behind the sticks?"

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Upon reflection, it is true Josh did not play his best.  He was super jittery on the first drive and he had the orbit motion on 4th down, it was there.  He was hitting that in the regular season but the best way to beat any QB is to speed up their decision making process.  As soon as he looked away from Shakir, it was over.  Even then he made an incredible effort to get the ball to somewhere someone could catch it.  And it should have been an easy catch albeit non standard.  The OL was not great, Kincaid was not great.  Elam was not great.  Yes Josh could have been better but we can say that about many other players also.  You don't see the poor play in Josh's numbers but he had three fumbles, two interceptable passes and he was not figuring it out presnap like he has the rest of the year.   

 

His decision to extend the ball over the line on the first 4th down was poor, that was almost guaranteed to be a fumble, it was, luckily they got it back only to fail on a QB sneak 4 plays later.

 

 

he did not have Shakir for first down. this frame is right before the pass rush flushes Allen...what you are advocating for is a lateral 12 yards behind the LOS to a guy that needs to get 15 yards on 4th and 5. there is no chance that he gets there

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

100% this.  If that is the pass Allen decides to make, Shakir then has to absolutely make one guy miss to pick up the first down, maybe 2.  He would be destroyed for not throwing the ball past the sticks, that I can guarantee you.

The hindsight is out of control today.  people calling for Josh being in shotgun for the 4th and inches play too? What is going on 😂. This board would’ve crashed forever when that playcall inevitably got blown up haha 

[WNYFAN1]

55 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Na I think he knew that was the right read and thought he could buy some extra time to make sure it came open if he rolled right but the corner blitz came from that side so he reset and threw it to the spot. Don’t really think it was ‘luck’ at all…absolutely perfect throw that only his guy could get he just didn’t get it 

 

he wasn’t just wildly throwing a prayer hoping someone was there lol 

lol, ok...

[Buffalo4Life01]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The hindsight is out of control today.  people calling for Josh being in shotgun for the 4th and inches play too? What is going on 😂. This board would’ve crashed forever when that playcall inevitably got blown up haha 

haha You are 100% correct my man.  Some of these takes and what if's are beyond comical at this point.  The only thing I know we can all agree on is we all want the same thing at the end of the day.  I'll never quit hoping for it and I know you won't either!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

lol, ok...

Kincaid is the correct read the whole way it is literally impossible to argue lol people just trying to diminish what a throw that was I guess..  not sure how that makes anyone feel better but do what you gotta do 😂

Edited Monday at 05:02 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Big Blitz]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

he did not have Shakir for first down. this frame is right before the pass rush flushes Allen...what you are advocating for is a lateral 12 yards behind the LOS to a guy that needs to get 15 yards on 4th and 5. there is no chance that he gets there

 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Ahh so it was a tweet people were latching onto hahaha that explains a lot.  I think solak was a big time idiot on this one, the play he compares it to Josh is clean and can hold the ball a little longer til defenders got upfield.  Real low percentage play to instantly check that down to Shakir especially given the result of buying time and throwing a catchable ball to Kincaid  

Edited Monday at 05:14 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Big Blitz]

This is the only moment in that blitz in Allen’s face that came completely untouched - every  Chief DB would have reacted to Josh throwing it to Shakir here and he’d have a hard time getting 15 plus

 

 

Watch the blitz get thru and where Shakir is as it happens - he wouldn’t have been ready for the throw. 
 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

This is the only moment in that blitz in Allen’s face that came completely untouched - every  Chief DB would have reacted to Josh throwing it to Shakir here and he’d have a hard time getting 15 plus

 

 

Two of the Chief DBs are looking at Shakir expecting Allen to dump it off!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

This is the only moment in that blitz in Allen’s face that came completely untouched - every  Chief DB would have reacted to Josh throwing it to Shakir here and he’d have a hard time getting 15 plus

 

 

I honestly don’t even think Shakir gets back to the line of scrimmage if Allen turns left and throws that quick…there’s defenders around to make that stop easily even at this point when it’s clear that throw isn’t coming 

 

that play would’ve been mocked forever.  If it’s third down yea sure give your guy a shot to make someone miss I can see that  

Edited Monday at 05:18 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I honestly don’t even think Shakir gets back to the line of scrimmage if Allen turns left and throws that quick…there’s defenders around to make that stop easily even at this point when it’s clear that throw isn’t coming 

 

that play would’ve been mocked forever 

 

Yep

 

 

[MikePJ76]

20 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The hindsight is out of control today.  people calling for Josh being in shotgun for the 4th and inches play too? What is going on 😂. This board would’ve crashed forever when that playcall inevitably got blown up haha 

a lot of people here outed themselves as irrational kind of dumb fans last night.  Its still going on this morning.   Always having to blame people and put people and players down that have peformed at the highest level all year is pretty stupid to me.  Had they lost to denver the 7th seed irraitonal bad takes would make sense.   Losing to the first ever 3 peat champions is nothing to freak out about.  It hurts but the hurt will go away.

[Big Blitz]

I mean WTH was the right side of the line doing?? 

Edited Monday at 05:25 PM by Big Blitz

[Bruffalo]

I'm tired already of seeing these shallow, irrational takes that scapegoat our best player.

 

Our defensive HC couldn't scheme up a pass defense that has a defender within 5 yards of a receiver. 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

Josh had a bad night from the opening drive and never really looked like himself, but it was a complete team loss.

The playcalling and strategy was poor - completely abandoning the run that got us here
Josh was rattled/rushed a lot of the game making poor decisions/executing poorly despite walking away with a clean sheet on the night.
The offensive line was terrible
The defensive line had a few big plays int he passing game and did well against the run for portions of the game, but they weren't consistent enough
The secondary was a disaster, constantly taking poor angles to ball carriers.
Elam in particular was a nightmare. I don't know if he's a redeemable player, but he surely isn't as a bill. Jackson should have played over Bishop.

[colin]

I've looked at it too many times, the throw to kinkaid was the correct play, particularly after he rolled to his right (might have been the wrong place to roll to, but pressure was up the gut and torrence let two guys through as part of his awful awful night.  it was a shocking miracle that he was able to get the ball in the vicinity of the TE at all, let alone hit his arms.

 

kinkaid cannot make a contested catch at all, he dropped one earlier off of his outstretched hands because a db was touching him.  he's very physically weak at the point of the catch, which is more or less a key skill of tight ends in the nfl.

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Josh had a bad night from the opening drive and never really looked like himself, but it was a complete team loss.

The playcalling and strategy was poor - completely abandoning the run that got us here
Josh was rattled/rushed a lot of the game making poor decisions/executing poorly despite walking away with a clean sheet on the night.
The offensive line was terrible
The defensive line had a few big plays int he passing game and did well against the run for portions of the game, but they weren't consistent enough
The secondary was a disaster, constantly taking poor angles to ball carriers.
Elam in particular was a nightmare. I don't know if he's a redeemable player, but he surely isn't as a bill. Jackson should have played over Bishop.

 

Josh was bad on the opening drive. After that he played more than well enough to win. Unfortunately the other things you mentioned conspired against him and the Bills. You also forgot the drops - Kincaid two and Samuel one.