Players Came Up Small

[GoBills808]

Players were not put in positions to succeed

 

The vast majority of the game was easy for KC and very difficult for us

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And Milano. He was a factor on both drives we stopper them. And Hollins who had our two big plays.

 

And while Josh wasn't his best today he definitely still played a good game. I don't think it is fair to say because he wasn't perfection the loss is any way on him.

 

 

Agree. They got too cute first half with the gamplan on both sides. Not enough Cook on offense and too much man coverage on defense.

Yes-  Mack and Milano stood out as well.  
 

how much are we paying Mack next season?  

[Livinginthepast]

Kincaid's drop was very Charles Clay vs Miami. I think that one killed our season too. But what troubles me about Kincaid more is that he derailed Knox's development. Would Knox have caught that pass? 

[TFBillsfan]

Highly likely Hamlin, Von Miller, Cooper, Elam, Jordan Phillips and Douglas probably are not on the roster next season. 

 

The roster is solid but DE, DT, S, CB and WR (speed) have to be addressed. Beane must hit on at minimum three of those positions who are impactful. 

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

I was SO ready to write a massive apology post to Mack if we pulled this one out.

 

I said all offseason my biggest fear was Mack playing WR in the AFCCG against the Chiefs, little did I know he was gonna be our BEST WR in that scenario. Still not good enough but it was like a perfect ending to the narrative.

 

Brutal.

Brutal is right.  Get some rest my guy

[reddogblitz]

26 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

I was SO ready to write a massive apology post to Mack if we pulled this one out.

 

I said all offseason my biggest fear was Mack playing WR in the AFCCG against the Chiefs, little did I know he was gonna be our BEST WR in that scenario. Still not good enough but it was like a perfect ending to the narrative.

 

Brutal.

 

I'm also taking back all the bad things I said about Mack after that game where he couldn't find the football on a long pass over his shoulder and another dropped pass that game.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Cook gets an A+

Mack gets an A

Josh gets a B+

Oliver gets a B

 

Maybe some O-line is in the B range

 

No one else was better than 'decent' in this game 

[Tulsabillsfanz]

The biggest surprise/disappointment was our d-line vs their o-line with pass rushing.  Mahomes had a relaxed view and was able to find wide open receivers on many occasions.  Mahomes was also able to run around the right end for first downs with minimal resistance whenever needed.  
 

I kept hearing how bad the KC o-line is, but they had very little problem controlling our defense. 

[letsgoteam]

53 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Miller was a no show

At least with him you can point to his injury. He is simply now a shadow of his former self. Similar situation to Tre White.

[PoundingDog]

50 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Mahomes had easy plays every drive.  Wide open throws to players schemed to be open against our crap defense. 

I just can't take this argument any more. The last 2 games, Jackson and Mahomes seemed to have easy time with our D but for different reasons. Jackson had Henry and the Bills correctly decided not to have Henry beat them. This game they focused more on Mahomes, but give him credit, he just seems to make the right decision most of the time and I thought his leg made the difference today. 

 

Allen made a big step forward in my mind this season in decision making. But compared to the gold standard Mahomes, he's still a bit behind. Of course the Chiefs D contributed to the result of making Allen looking not as good. That's why I believe the best way to move forward is plodding Allen to continue his growth while enforcing our D talent to bring Mahomes' effectiveness against us down a notch. 

Edited Monday at 04:59 AM by PoundingDog

[OldNMBillsFan]

1 hour ago, DrMaxPower said:

What an awful disappointment of a game. I see the board is already flooded with 'coaching failure' takes. I don't recall a decision from McD that I really had a problem with. While I have beef with Kromer, Brady and Babich, this loss is on the players. The list of guys who did not bring their best is a long one.

 

Biggest one is obviously Kincaid for the drop and an overall lack of physicality. He better tackle the offseason like his career depends on it because he had a brutal year.

 

Right behind him on the disappointment list are the OL and Josh. The people who carried us all season played C+/B- games when it mattered most. Bad decisions all over the place and OL getting physically dominated. The short yardage game was horrendous. Josh got it together enough to keep them in it but he was far from his MVP best.

 

Groot, where are you? Spent half the game on the ground. At this point, I'm no longer in favor of extending him. Try and trade for Crosby or Garrett or another difference maker.

 

Taron Johnson's play hasn't matched his reputation for the last half of the year. No positive impact.

 

Bernard took a huge step back this year. He had games last year with more impact than he had all season. He was invisible all night, with the exception of being 3 steps behind on the clinching pass.

 

We had a giant black hole at safety. Bye Demar. Bishop I thought flashed a bit but has a long way to go. I'm not sure how he and Rapp really work as a duo.

 

You could add about a dozen more guys who were MIA but less obvious. While the coaching wasn't great, the players on the field came up small in the big game.

Exactly, JA was not himself. especially at the beginning of the game, I was having flashbacks of the old JA of 2018 and 2019 and throwing the ball in triple coverage. Cook played well, averaging 6.5 yards a carry. They should have handed it to Cook more.

[JimmyNoodles]

Every year they come up small. Just rotate the offenders. Most everyone takes a turn. Truth is, the Bills are a very flawed team, led a flawed front office. Rinse and repeat. 

[Man with No Name]

ALlen can do things mahomes can't. but mahomes is better than him. we're gonna need a 3 score lead on KC if we ever want a chance to beat them in the playoffs. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, DrMaxPower said:

What an awful disappointment of a game. I see the board is already flooded with 'coaching failure' takes. I don't recall a decision from McD that I really had a problem with. While I have beef with Kromer, Brady and Babich, this loss is on the players. The list of guys who did not bring their best is a long one.

 

Biggest one is obviously Kincaid for the drop and an overall lack of physicality. He better tackle the offseason like his career depends on it because he had a brutal year.

 

Right behind him on the disappointment list are the OL and Josh. The people who carried us all season played C+/B- games when it mattered most. Bad decisions all over the place and OL getting physically dominated. The short yardage game was horrendous. Josh got it together enough to keep them in it but he was far from his MVP best.

 

Groot, where are you? Spent half the game on the ground. At this point, I'm no longer in favor of extending him. Try and trade for Crosby or Garrett or another difference maker.

 

Taron Johnson's play hasn't matched his reputation for the last half of the year. No positive impact.

 

Bernard took a huge step back this year. He had games last year with more impact than he had all season. He was invisible all night, with the exception of being 3 steps behind on the clinching pass.

 

We had a giant black hole at safety. Bye Demar. Bishop I thought flashed a bit but has a long way to go. I'm not sure how he and Rapp really work as a duo.

 

You could add about a dozen more guys who were MIA but less obvious. While the coaching wasn't great, the players on the field came up small in the big game.

 

The Chiefs scored on every drive but 2 I believe, how is that not on McDermott? He is the mastermind of this defense. Also on Beanse and McDermott that in 8 years we have 0 elite talent on defense.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, DrMaxPower said:

What an awful disappointment of a game. I see the board is already flooded with 'coaching failure' takes. I don't recall a decision from McD that I really had a problem with. While I have beef with Kromer, Brady and Babich, this loss is on the players. The list of guys who did not bring their best is a long one.

 

Biggest one is obviously Kincaid for the drop and an overall lack of physicality. He better tackle the offseason like his career depends on it because he had a brutal year.

 

Right behind him on the disappointment list are the OL and Josh. The people who carried us all season played C+/B- games when it mattered most. Bad decisions all over the place and OL getting physically dominated. The short yardage game was horrendous. Josh got it together enough to keep them in it but he was far from his MVP best.

 

Groot, where are you? Spent half the game on the ground. At this point, I'm no longer in favor of extending him. Try and trade for Crosby or Garrett or another difference maker.

 

Taron Johnson's play hasn't matched his reputation for the last half of the year. No positive impact.

 

Bernard took a huge step back this year. He had games last year with more impact than he had all season. He was invisible all night, with the exception of being 3 steps behind on the clinching pass.

 

We had a giant black hole at safety. Bye Demar. Bishop I thought flashed a bit but has a long way to go. I'm not sure how he and Rapp really work as a duo.

 

You could add about a dozen more guys who were MIA but less obvious. While the coaching wasn't great, the players on the field came up small in the big game.

I disagree.  If Allen had played his C+/B- game tonight the Bills would have lost by 3 scores.  The fact that the O line and Kincaid had that last drop were the reasons Allen didn't play an A/A+ game.  But from the QB stats, offensive production and clutch TD dives Allen clearly played an A- game. 

[DrMaxPower]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

The Chiefs scored on every drive but 2 I believe, how is that not on McDermott? He is the mastermind of this defense. Also on Beanse and McDermott that in 8 years we have 0 elite talent on defense.

 I think it was 3, which is still bad.

 

But I blame talent, not coaching. With Benford and Rapp out, the secondary is awful. The only guy on the field who might even be average is Douglas and I'm not even sure he is anymore. I blame Beane for that, not the coaches.

[CincyBillsFan]

44 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

I just can't take this argument any more. The last 2 games, Jackson and Mahomes seemed to have easy time with our D but for different reasons. Jackson had Henry and the Bills correctly decided not to have Henry beat them. This game they focused more on Mahomes, but give him credit, he just seems to make the right decision most of the time and I thought his leg made the difference today. 

 

Allen made a big step forward in my mind this season in decision making. But compared to the gold standard Mahomes, he's still a bit behind. Of course the Chiefs D contributed to the result of making Allen looking not as good. That's why I believe the best way to move forward is plodding Allen to continue his growth while enforcing our D talent to bring Mahomes' effectiveness against us down a notch. 

What do you think Allen would have done to our Defense tonight?  It would not have been pretty.

 

In fact, the Bills win this game if it's at home.  Next year they must grab the #1 seed.

 

 

[DrMaxPower]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I disagree.  If Allen had played his C+/B- game tonight the Bills would have lost by 3 scores.  The fact that the O line and Kincaid had that last drop were the reasons Allen didn't play an A/A+ game.  But from the QB stats, offensive production and clutch TD dives Allen clearly played an A- game. 

Allen is GD lucky he didn't bury us with 2 early picks. Spagnola had him confused. He misread pressure and coverage repeatedly. Lots of bad checks.

 

He still made some big plays and ultimately gave Kincaid a chance but he did not have a good day from the shoulders up. I think B- is fair.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

4 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said:

 I think it was 3, which is still bad.

 

But I blame talent, not coaching. With Benford and Rapp out, the secondary is awful. The only guy on the field who might even be average is Douglas and I'm not even sure he is anymore. I blame Beane for that, not the coaches.

 

There is always some kind of excuse for him, 8 years and it's the same exact results never coming up clutch when we need him to.

[DrMaxPower]

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

There is always some kind of excuse for him, 8 years and it's the same exact results never coming up clutch when we need him to.

Jimmies and Joes over X's and O's.