Next year's Roster

[freddyjj]

17 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

In addition, I’d try and trade for Crosby or Myles. Draft a DT first round

I am not an NFL executive but would guess if OBD trades for Maxx or Myles they would not have a #1 pick in 2025 left to use on  a DT.

5 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

Hope younger ones like Coleman can pop at some point like Cook.

Maybe have Coleman go work with Moulds in offseason like Shakir did last year.

[SoMAn]

18 hours ago, DeltaDigital said:

Man what a wiff Keon was. I don’t trust this FO to draft any real talent 

I think the Coleman pick mirrored the Elam pick. In both cases, the Bills were at the back of the line when there was a run on CBs when Elam was the consolation prize, and same with WRs last year. In both instances the Bills ‘reached’-something Beane and most GMs avoid, preferring to take ‘best available player’. 
But the Bills, picking late missed the boat and were desparate. 
With Elam, Wallace was gone in FA and White was still rehabbing the knee. There wasn’t much choice but to take Elam. My guess is they were targeting McDuffie, but just missed out when the Chiefs took him (figures).

Then last year Gabe and Stef being gone created a gaping hole at that position. Again, the Bills reached. Coleman, in my opinion, he’s not at all worthy of a top 35 pick. I have my doubts that he’ll ever amount to more than a journeyman role player. 
The Bills are paying a fortune for an elite QB. Please make the most of that investment and get him some talent to throw to. 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

This guy is going to be a monster next year. McDermott has an entire offseason to figure out how to get him on the field.

 

Why not try Taron Johnson at safety next season? He seems like the perfect option. He’s getting older. 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:59 PM by Buffalo_Stampede

[machine gun kelly]

I’ll casually read this thread as some of you guys have good ideas.  I’m still hurting too much over this loss.

 

My wife saw me cry Sunday night.  She tried to console, but I just kept saying, you don’t understand.  People originally from Buffalo love their Bills.  I’m not

going to lash out at McD, Beane, Kinkaid or the other players.  It sucks, but time does heal wounds.

 

I guess I’m more upset this year as once McD got us through the Ravens, I finally started believing again they could

do it.

 

im not a Philly fan, but hope they annihilate the Chiefs.

[Billever76]

Is HC on the list of replacements? Bc if not we already know what our best effort will bring...good but not good enough

[BADOLBILZ]

19 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:

I'm fully aware of the fact that this will come across as negative...But I swear it's not meant to be... I do think though that as an organization, philosophically because of who is in charge, this team has peaked. We're not going to get any better because they refuse to get out of their comfort zone both in scheme and talent evaluation. And as long as those three (Reed, Mahomes, Spags) remain in KC, we are not going to the SB... Especially if McDermott continues to run the same Defensive scheme and preach fundamentals over everything. A scheme that many teams not named KC figured out this year. And fundamentals are great, as long as they are backed up by strategy and great play calling. 

 

That being said... Here's what I would do.

 

I really don't see any reason to keep anyone on the Defensive line not named Ed Oliver. There are decent players there...sure... But in big games they have continuously come up short. I would absolutely be interested in Crosby or Garrett... Of course I would. This Draft is very deep on the Defensive line. Move whoever you can for picks. Keep Solomon because he's cheap... Completely rebuild it.

 

The secondary has to be rebuilt as well... Benford, Taron, Bishop, and even Ingram and Lewis as depth are fine...But the rest needs to be fortified with speed and talent big time. 

 

I'd use at least one of those 2025 picks on a sideline to sideline LB with SPEED...

 

Add speed at WR of course... Good grief add speed and people who can beat man coverage. Bring Hollins back on a one year. I would absolutely trade for George Pickens diva and all... 

 

And yes, I would do what I can within reason considering the position to keep Jimbo... Ty Johnson should be resigned obviously. He won't be expensive. 

 

No matter what the Bills easily win the AFC East in 2025 and battle for the AFC... But until they can get out of their comfort zone and come up with something in these big games they will continue to come up short. And it is what it is. 

 

 

 

C'mon dude.   We don't need that vaguery from a veteran.   Replace 8 players on the DL rotation and 5 starters in the secondary and presumably at least one of the 2 starting LB's,  preferably while trading for Crosby or Garrett and trading for George Pickens?

 

Oh and find a way to keep James Cook?   You know Cook is under contract, right?

 

I mean I get that people are frustrated and maybe haven't looked at the options but replacing 14 players who get 40% or more of the defensive snaps while adding a superstar NFLDPOY caliber defender and a WR who will likely cost a day 2 pick in trade as well probably isn't feasible with 3 picks in the top 100 and maybe $40M in adjusted cap room.   

 

People just need to accept the facts that the Bills timeline didn't line up well with the Chiefs.   Andy Reid in his first 18 years as a HC was no better than Sean McDermott in the playoffs.   He reached a SB by force of talent(Terrel Owens acquisition) but then put on a disgusting performance in defeat to the Patriots.  Reid was NOT acquiring Mahomes and one more year of early playoff exits again to the likes of Mike Mularkey from being fired in KC.

 

But his experience of learning every way to blow huge playoff leads and choke on his home field finally paid off.  And getting Spags was a match made in heaven for them.

 

The Bills are good enough to win.   They don't need 9 new starters on defense to win a SB.   They simply need to be good enough to earn the #1 seed for once and let the injured team come to them in the AFCCG.    They made strides toward becoming a #1 seed level team this year.   The mid-season swoon was shorter and was more Beane's fault for not addressing WR sooner than it was fatigue due to McDermott's intensity.   Next year they have 9 home games and like 7 of their 8 toughest opponents are on the home slate.   They need to make some splashes and draft well but they aren't 15 players away.

[KOKBILLS]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

C'mon dude.   We don't need that vaguery from a veteran.   Replace 8 players on the DL rotation and 5 starters in the secondary and presumably at least one of the 2 starting LB's,  preferably while trading for Crosby or Garrett and trading for George Pickens?

 

Oh and find a way to keep James Cook?   You know Cook is under contract, right?

 

I mean I get that people are frustrated and maybe haven't looked at the options but replacing 14 players who get 40% or more of the defensive snaps while adding a superstar NFLDPOY caliber defender and a WR who will likely cost a day 2 pick in trade as well probably isn't feasible with 3 picks in the top 100 and maybe $40M in adjusted cap room.   

 

People just need to accept the facts that the Bills timeline didn't line up well with the Chiefs.   Andy Reid in his first 18 years as a HC was no better than Sean McDermott in the playoffs.   He reached a SB by force of talent(Terrel Owens acquisition) but then put on a disgusting performance in defeat to the Patriots.  Reid was NOT acquiring Mahomes and one more year of early playoff exits again to the likes of Mike Mularkey from being fired in KC.

 

But his experience of learning every way to blow huge playoff leads and choke on his home field finally paid off.  And getting Spags was a match made in heaven for them.

 

The Bills are good enough to win.   They don't need 9 new starters on defense to win a SB.   They simply need to be good enough to earn the #1 seed for once and let the injured team come to them in the AFCCG.    They made strides toward becoming a #1 seed level team this year.   The mid-season swoon was shorter and was more Beane's fault for not addressing WR sooner than it was fatigue due to McDermott's intensity.   Next year they have 9 home games and like 7 of their 8 toughest opponents are on the home slate.   They need to make some splashes and draft well but they aren't 15 players away.

I agree they're not 15 players away... I just don't see the need in keeping highly paid players that continuously underachieve in Playoffs, and against good Offenses, when you can get cheaper players to do the same thing and still win. I'd overhaul and trade to help clear up space for splash players here and there. Maybe it's not possible? I don't know. You're probably right. But I just don't see where we are going ultimately with players like Groot, Epenesa, DaQuan Jones, Von Miller, etc... Going back to the Cincy Playoff game I've been writing about this. We have to do better... 

Of course I know Cook is under contract... But it's always cheaper a year early... But to clarify I'm talking about a home town deal. If he wants what his brother is asking for I want no part of it.

 

Sure the Bills dominated the AFC East and finished with the 2 seed with that D. You think they would have beat KC at home with the 1 seed?... I disagree... I think, like I've been saying right here for weeks now that our Defense would eventually let us down and the only way we win is if Josh put up a 40 burger... I was wrong... He needed 33...

 

And good grief don't get me started on that secondary... I know we always get banged up but wow... We need an influx of talent back there big time. 

 

Anyway... You're right... I'm frustrated... My apologies... 

 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:23 PM by KOKBILLS

[PBF81]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:22 PM, Mr. Wonderful said:

WR and really all defensive positions.  Beane has a lot of homework to do.  

 

Here's my question though, if we continue with this Everyone Eats philosophy, why world we spend a lot of resources on a to WR?  

 

Will they ditch that philosophy?  

 

While it may have appeared that we went that route "because we don't have a bona fide #1 WR," it seems that they went that route deliberately.  

 

If not, then McConkey would have been a better pick than Coleman, at least his ceiling was significantly higher.  

 

Also, contributing to the notion that the EE philosophy was deliberate is the fact that they rotate the WRs like they rotate the DL-men.  Manny of us disagree with that.  

 

Otherwise, if we maintain that philosophy, what WR is going to want to come here knowing ahead of time that his ceiling is restricted.

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Next year's roster needs a starting safety, two corners, a pass rush and speed/separation at receiver 

 

Personally would love to create a trade package around Groot and picks for a Maxx Crosby or Myles Garrett 

[Lost]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Here's my question though, if we continue with this Everyone Eats philosophy, why world we spend a lot of resources on a to WR?  

 

Everybody eats was just a euphemism coaching staff spouted to cover the fact that the WR room sucked.   

[Magox]

I'm as pained as anyone but this idea that you are going to get rid of the entire defense and start over is ludicrous.    Who are you going to replace them with?  I'm ok with replacing certain players but you better have someone in place to take over their spot that you think can do the job better or just as well at the least.

 

Honestly, the biggest problem on the defensive side of the ball wasn't individual efforts from the players, it was schematic.  How many passes did Mahomes make where he threw the ball to his first read within 2.25 seconds?   Tons

 

Time after time the Chiefs were able to scheme up where someone would be open very quickly and time after time Mahomes was able to read it pre snap and know exactly where he was going to throw it and time after time that player was pretty open for an easy 8 yarder.   They just ran horizontal routes all day long and they executed them, not to mention the Mahomes called runs which we had no answers for.

 

The defensive philosophy needs to change, they need to run more disruptive plays/blitzes, they need to have lots more disguised coverages with men in the box and they need the CB's who can execute man to man coverages for these sort of plays.

 

With that said, here are the list of Unrestricted FA's

 

RB Ty Johnson

FB Reggie Gilliam

WR Amari Cooper

WR Mack Hollins

OL Tommy Doyle

DT Quinton Jefferson

DT Jordan Phillips

DT Austin Johnson

DE Dawuane Smoot

CB Rasul Douglas

S Damar Hamlin

LS Reid Ferguson

 

Out of this group the keepers are:

 

Ty Johnson

Reggie Gilliam

Mack Hollins

Jordan Phillips (on a minimum contract)

Reid Ferguson

 

If they can get a good deal then these are the ones open for consideration:

 

Amari Cooper (If they can get him for under $10M a year, which I doubt)

Tommy Doyle

Dawuane Smoot

Damar Hamlin (if he could agree to a minimum contract with the thought that he will be a backup)

 

Extend:

Cook

Rousseau (I know everyone is down on him but he didn't have many opportunities to get after Mahomes, Mahomes was getting the ball out so quickly that the ends didn't have many true opportunities)

Benford

Bernard

 

FA/draft needs:

Will need a man specialist to replace Rasul 

Will need to get someone to replace Von Miller 

If Amari doesn't come back we need his replacement

Need to get two big monster DT's that can stop the run effectively and push the pocket.

 

Player development needs:

Need Kincaid to step up

Need Cole Bishop to take a nice leap of improvement

Need Keon Coleman to improve

 

The Coaching Staff:

 

On offense, not much needs to change philosophically.  Brady was excellent

 

On Defense, gear up this defense to stop the Chiefs.  More blitzes, more disguised coverages, more man to man.

[Mango]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:55 PM, Beast said:

Rousseau has  25 sacks in 4 seasons. Much like Ed Oliver, he flashes at times and then disappears for long stretches.

 

Rousseau is pretty good against the run but we need way more out of him and he hasn’t delivered…at least IMO. You don’t build around Greg Rousseau’s. Just like they let Edmunds walk, draft Rousseau’s replacement this spring and let him walk at years end.

He’s Chris Kelsey. 

[Beast]

Just now, Mango said:

He’s Chris Kelsey. 

A step above IMO but not worth breaking the bank over.

[Westside]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:39 PM, NoSaint said:

in theory that’s why we have rapp and bishop but that don’t work out today

Bishop looks horrible out there. He looks lost and out of position all the time. I’m afraid he has bust written all over him. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:46 PM by Westside

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

Everybody eats was just a euphemism coaching staff spouted to cover the fact that the WR room sucked.   

 

Well, that's why I'm posing the question.  Was it, rhetorically.  I originally thought the same, but knowing that McD loves to run first, despite having the biggest and most prolific arm in the game, it got me wondering.  I mean why would one try to make the running game the staple of your offense if you had Allen as QB.  Again, purely rhetorical, and your point taken, but they easily could have passed more than they did, and let's keep in mind, they were high on Coleman who was taken in the first pick after the 1st round.  They could have taken McConkey who was more of a field stretcher than Coleman, even if only be default on the merits that Coleman isn't that.  i.e. even then they were focused on the short game.  

 

IDK, we'll find out more in a few months.  

 

 

[Big Turk]

Expecting an extension of Dawkins/Allen to free up cap space and release of Miller...can get to a point we have over 30 mil in cap space with just those moves...I' sure Beane has more up his sleeve tho.

[Don Otreply]

On defense our issue is a combination of who we have been drafting and what they are being coached to do, we obviously need a different scheme,( because the current one isn’t getting it done) and players that can actually execute the scheme, we need a couple of beasts at DT, bigger stronger faster LBers, bigger faster safeties, and CBs that can play man coverage at the drop of a hat. It’s been eight years of our soft zone defense, could just be me, but I’m thinking it’s time for a change. 
 

Oh, and cut Elam immediately, lol
 

On offense, WRs that can separate, and an OC that knows how to use them, and RBs within the same offensive scheme, just my opinion. 

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

[DeltaDigital]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:31 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Other than WR what position on offense is there even a likely open roster spot.

 

I'd sign Hollins to a 2 year deal, need one more WR and rest needs on on defense.

 

Agree biggest FA need is a DE who can get 10 sacks.  Heard rumors that Hendrikson on Bengals may be cut loose to save $$

That guy would be amazing... but a LONG shot... parsons. he costs 24m next season, then UFA. if we have the money, idgaf, you go get him. 

trade your first. beane will waste it anyway. 

 

[turbo044]

2 hours ago, Westside said:

Bishop looks horrible out there. He looks lost and out of position all the time. I’m afraid he has bust written all over him. 

This is a bit of a lazy take.  I thought he was one of the better defensive players on Sunday. Led the teams in tackles, wasn't picked on in coverage, and wasn't beaten in general and certainly not beaten deep.  Hamlin and Elam were getting killed in coverage.  Bernard had a sub par game and Rousseau had his worst game of the season against a back up tackle with 30" arms.

 

Douglas, Oliver, D. Williams, Phillips and Bishop were the 5 that didn't suck.  Maybe my bar is low??

[Buffalo Barbarian]

22 hours ago, SoMAn said:

I think the Coleman pick mirrored the Elam pick. In both cases, the Bills were at the back of the line when there was a run on CBs when Elam was the consolation prize, and same with WRs last year. In both instances the Bills ‘reached’-something Beane and most GMs avoid, preferring to take ‘best available player’. 
But the Bills, picking late missed the boat and were desparate. 
With Elam, Wallace was gone in FA and White was still rehabbing the knee. There wasn’t much choice but to take Elam. My guess is they were targeting McDuffie, but just missed out when the Chiefs took him (figures).

Then last year Gabe and Stef being gone created a gaping hole at that position. Again, the Bills reached. Coleman, in my opinion, he’s not at all worthy of a top 35 pick. I have my doubts that he’ll ever amount to more than a journeyman role player. 
The Bills are paying a fortune for an elite QB. Please make the most of that investment and get him some talent to throw to. 

 

 

 

We should have traded up for Thomas, Beane likes trading up dont know why he didn't this time.

 

 

1 hour ago, turbo044 said:

This is a bit of a lazy take.  I thought he was one of the better defensive players on Sunday. Led the teams in tackles, wasn't picked on in coverage, and wasn't beaten in general and certainly not beaten deep.  Hamlin and Elam were getting killed in coverage.  Bernard had a sub par game and Rousseau had his worst game of the season against a back up tackle with 30" arms.

 

Douglas, Oliver, D. Williams, Phillips and Bishop were the 5 that didn't suck.  Maybe my bar is low??

 

Apparently Rousseau wasn't getting any footing, he should have changed his shoes