Is it time to move on from McDermott?

[OldNMBillsFan]

58 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And a part of that is Marv not setting curfews like our opponents and letting Jim stay out all hours boozing and carousing with Berman.

I agree, they were more concerned about partying than winning. If I remember correctly, Marv did try to put a curfew on the 4th, but all the players joked how they got around it.

[CircleTheWagons99]

21 hours ago, Low Positive said:

A little Google Search would tell you that Einstein never said that. 

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
A favorite of politicians (and pretty much everybody else), this quote has been wrongly attributed to Benjamin Franklin as well as—but there’s no evidence either of them said it. “The Ultimate Quotable Einstein,” an authoritative complication of his most memorable utterances, identified the quote as a misattribution, and mentioned its use in the 1983 novel “Sudden Death” by Rita Mae Brown. On his website, Quote Investigator, O’Toole traced, the link between insanity and repetition back to at least the 19th century, but noted its use in a Narcotics Anonymous pamphlet as well as novels (including Brown’s), TV shows and various other sources.

 

https://www.history.com/news/here-are-6-things-albert-einstein-never-said

Who cares who said it, the point is its been 8 years and the SAMETHING happens in the playoffs, defense (McD's strength) keeps failing. Don't worry, I'm not quoting anyone so you don't have fact check me and ignore the topic of discussion. 

[ProcessTruster]

On 2/17/2025 at 5:00 PM, Mikie2times said:

I spent about the last 1000 posts trying to prove a case could and likely should be made for moving on, but man is that negative. It's just not worth all the posts from my perspective. At the same time, I think it's fair to ask his supporters where does the line get drawn? 

 

We have had as much regular season success as any major sports franchise since 2020, but we did that in the 90's as well. I hear people dismiss the postseason as the "tournament" but from my perspective, more often than not, the best team does in fact win the Super Bowl. It doesn't happen every time, but most of the time it's how it unfolds. 

 

I think it's very fair to ask if we did the same thing all over again the next 4 years, would it be enough to these posters? If the answer is yes, and it would seem likely it has to be (given what points are made by his supporters) then these threads and all the debates involved are kind of pointless. It would just show a fundamental difference in how both groups look at success and what they ultimately want. So again, really curious how McD's supporters feel about this. Winning is fun, losing is not fun, I like to have fun. But at the end of the day I really want just one. To me that has to be the goal. Eventually I feel like you can't ride the same horse who hasn't been able to accomplish that forever. Maybe some feel you can or you should. I would like to hear perspective on that if that is the case. 

McBeanes have proven they will keep getting into the tournament with a top 5 team and one of these years the moon and stars will align and they'll get you that $11.99 SB tee shirt you covet so much.   Just try to enjoy the journey just a little please.   They have built one heckuva successful program and formula for repeatable success on the field.   Yeah, sure we all want to win the tournament as well, but McBeane haters be careful what you wish for.  They have done the impossible and made a high tax rate backwater a place where self-indulgent zillionaire 20somethings actually want to be.   Don't throw that away so quickly.   Other than Josh, all the locker room leaders are gone.   lets keep it together and take a few more swings at this.  They are very good and very close.   Patience, people. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:37 PM by ProcessTruster

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

McBeanes have proven they will keep getting into the tournament with a top 5 team and one of these years the moon and stars will align and they'll get you that $11.99 SB tee shirt you covet so much.   Just try to enjoy the journey just a little please.   They have built one heckuva successful program and formula for repeatable success on the field.   Yeah, sure we all want to win the tournament as well, but McBeane haters be careful what you wish for.  They have done the impossible and made a high tax rate backwater a place where self-indulgent zillionaire 20somethings actually want to be.   Don't throw that away so quickly.   Other than Josh, all the locker room leaders are gone.   lets keep it together and take a few more swings at this.  They are very good and very close.   Patience, people. 

Who in your mind was undeserving winner of the "The Tournament"? IE, not one of the top couple teams in the NFL? From what I can see, the best or second best team has won "The Tournament" every year below. It sort of doesn't fit with your marketing campaign to brand the NFL playoffs as something totally random.  

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:52 PM by Mikie2times

[TheFunPolice]

22 hours ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

I agree, they were more concerned about partying than winning. If I remember correctly, Marv did try to put a curfew on the 4th, but all the players joked how they got around it.

 

and they have to live with that... 

 

The 4th Super Bowl should have been a convincing win, not just a win, but they straight up blew it. Aikman was so badly concussed he had no idea what was going on. It was their SB to finally win. 

 

After all the heartbreak they had a chance to go up 17-6 at the half. When Odomes got that INT with about 1:00 left before half and the bills up 10-6 that was the opportunity. The Bills got all the way to the Dallas 12 but had to settle for a FG to go up 13-6 at the half and never scored again. 

 

Let's say they go up 17-6 at the half. They also got the ball after the half. Go up 24-6 there and guys start to believe. Dallas players in that 4 falls documentary said it: the Bills were outplaying them and Aikman was concussed and out of it. they figured it might finally be the Bills time given the circumstances. 

 

Instead, it was 13-6 at half and a few plays into the 3rd quarter Thurman fumbled and it was returned for a TD to tie the game 13-13 and the entire team melted.

 

Hey, at least they had fun at the parties!  

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

They have done the impossible and made a high tax rate backwater a place where self-indulgent zillionaire 20somethings actually want to be.   Don't throw that away so quickly

Who was the last zillionaire 20 something that we signed in FA?

[billsfan714]

On 2/18/2025 at 11:41 AM, Gregg said:

 

That certainly didn't help but looking back at it the only Super Bowl the Bills should have won was the Giants game. The Bills were the better team. Thurman should have gotten the ball more that day even with only 19 minutes of TOP as the Giants hogged the ball all game. The Redskins physically overpowered the Bills, and the Cowboys were the better team although the Bills did hang in the 2nd Cowboys game leading at half.

I appreciate what Frank Reich did for the Bills, but what he said during the four falls of Buffalo 30 for 30 was one of the most moronic things ever heard.   When he said its easy to say you should of throw a left or whatever instead of going with what brought your there--meaning the no huddle, pass happy offense.   Against the Giants, the other team is playing 2 DL, you give Thurman the ball and let him carve them up until they come out of it.   Its called reading a defense Frank.   Thurman averaged what, 9 yards a carry, just moronic they didnt give him the ball more against that front.   Oldnmbillsfan is also right, Kelly saved his worst for the 4 superbowls.

[716to540]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:07 PM, Monty98 said:

Look I get it, McDermott has been a great coach and person for the community. But at what point are his short comings in big time games more his flaw vs just bad luck? Tony Dungy couldn't get it done in Tampa, left got Gruden and won, and even then Dungy was all world regular season but couldn't win the big game in Indy outside of one-year.

 

For a coach who's scheme and learning was under Jim Johnson in Philly and the vaunted Double A gap formation, he's had some really sub par defensive performances. We all know KC runs spinner roll out right in big moments and we don't have a defensive play call to stop it. Where as KC knows Allen rolls out right in big moments or tries to sneak left...KC had their defense ready for both. I get it, this is frustration of falling short again, but at some point we need to buck the trend of falling short in KC again and again and again 

No. Stop it! Just plain NO.