Is it time to move on from McDermott?

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think what we're seeing in this thread is most people don't ever want to move on from McDermott because it's possible to do worse. 

 

 

IMO that stems from a couple of things. One being if you follow the Sabres at all you have seen how well Pegula is with picking coaches there. 

 

Second, for many that have been a fan for a long time, this is the best stretch of winning they have ever had. Changing coaches and there is a possibility that this ends and they go back to missing the playoffs again 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

IMO that stems from a couple of things. One being if you follow the Sabres at all you have seen how well Pegula is with picking coaches there. 

 

Second, for many that have been a fan for a long time, this is the best stretch of winning they have ever had. Changing coaches and there is a possibility that this ends and they go back to missing the playoffs again 

 

Terry would only be hiring the next HC if he cleans house. If Beane is still here, then it would be him leading the search. 

 

With Allen as QB and a decent roster which is what the Bills have then the chances, they miss the playoffs are slim especially with the AFCE being weak.

[BearNorth]

19 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

McDermott is the only coach in Bills history who succeeded in his 1st NFL head coaching job.  Every other 1st time head coach has failed.  All other successful Bills HCs were retreads and retreads like Rauch, Jauron, Gailey, & Ryan didn't exactly light it up as Bills HC.  All the people calling for McDermott to go & be replaced by a rookie HC or a previously fired retread need a history lesson.  

In terms of post-season accomplishments, Lou Saban has the most championship rings.  We hired him after he was fired by the Patriots.

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Terry would only be hiring the next HC if he cleans house. If Beane is still here, then it would be him leading the search. 

 

With Allen as QB and a decent roster which is what the Bills have then the chances, they miss the playoffs are slim especially with the AFCE being weak.

I agree, my point is many long time fans are enjoying the ride and are afraid a change means they go back to not being a Super Bowl contender or worse. 

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Fear-based decision making. Right up there with Playing not to lose. Sounds about right.

Drought brain.

 

”Give Chan/Rex/Jauron/Greggggg more time! At least we are winning 7 or 6 games instead of 2-3. What if the next coach is worse?”

8 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Second, for many that have been a fan for a long time, this is the best stretch of winning they have ever had. Changing coaches and there is a possibility that this ends and they go back to missing the playoffs again

That’s because fans still don’t realize that what ended the Pats dynasty was not them losing Belichick, but losing Brady.

 

Really bizarre stuff.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I agree, my point is many long time fans are enjoying the ride and are afraid a change means they go back to not being a Super Bowl contender or worse. 

 

For damn good reason. 

 

[Jrb1979]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

For damn good reason. 

 

I guess. I would agree if no other team does it but other teams have done it when the current coach doesn't get them over the hump. 

 

There's a reason only 2 coaches since the 70s has won a Super Bowl after being with the team for more than 5 seasons. 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

I guess. I would agree if no other team does it but other teams have done it when the current coach doesn't get them over the hump. 

 

There's a reason only 2 coaches since the 70s has won a Super Bowl after being with the team for more than 5 seasons. 

 

The Eagles are the perfect example. They and Reid parted ways, and he had more success with them then McDermott has had with the Bills. Since the Eagles parted ways with Reid, they have gone on to win the Super Bowl twice. 

[FireChans]

27 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

For damn good reason. 

 

If you had your way, we’d probably still be winning 6 games a year with Rex afraid to do worse and never have McD or Beane at all.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think what we're seeing in this thread is most people don't ever want to move on from McDermott because it's possible to do worse. 

 

 

 

I think “likely” is more accurate than “possible”. Only Reid has done better over the last 5 years.  That is the problem. 

 

 

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Edited February 14 by Augie

[DrDawkinstein]

46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

For damn good reason. 

 

 

Not sure I consider lack of testicular fortitude a good reason.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

IMO that stems from a couple of things. One being if you follow the Sabres at all you have seen how well Pegula is with picking coaches there. 

 

Second, for many that have been a fan for a long time, this is the best stretch of winning they have ever had. Changing coaches and there is a possibility that this ends and they go back to missing the playoffs again 

Three, he is one of the best coaches in the league.   Yes he needs more post season success, so does Kyle Shanahan.

[uticaclub]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If you had your way, we’d probably still be winning 6 games a year with Rex afraid to do worse and never have McD or Beane at all.

Rex & Sanchez made as many AFCC games as McD & Allen. You replace Allen with Tyrod and Rex still might be our coach.

[PromoTheRobot]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not sure I consider lack of testicular fortitude a good reason.

 

So it takes balls to screw up a good thing?

 

People are convincing themselves that McDermott is all that's keeping us from winning it all, and that anyone we hire next will finish the job because we are so close, and there's no chance that a new head coach will set us back.  

 

 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So it takes balls to screw up a good thing?

 

People are convincing themselves that McDermott is all that's keeping us from winning it all, and that anyone we hire next will finish the job because we are so close, and there's no chance that a new head coach will set us back.  

 

 

 

Beane deserves his share of the blame as well. He has missed on his picks to much in the early rounds of the draft. The Bills have a good roster but not a great one. We have no "game changers" on defense. Von was supposed to be that guy but the injury and now age have prevented that.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So it takes balls to screw up a good thing?

 

People are convincing themselves that McDermott is all that's keeping us from winning it all, and that anyone we hire next will finish the job because we are so close, and there's no chance that a new head coach will set us back.  

 

 

 

The AFC East stinks and will continue to stink. We have a Josh. We will be in the playoffs for the next 3-5 years just by showing up.

 

What type of setback are you worried about?

[Jrb1979]

4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Three, he is one of the best coaches in the league.   Yes he needs more post season success, so does Kyle Shanahan.

I don't disagree with that. I'm not saying fire the guy tomorrow. At some point if he can't win the big one maybe it's time for a change. Allen only has so many years left in his prime. 

 

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So it takes balls to screw up a good thing?

 

People are convincing themselves that McDermott is all that's keeping us from winning it all, and that anyone we hire next will finish the job because we are so close, and there's no chance that a new head coach will set us back.  

 

 

There is definitely a chance a new coach sets them back. It's also just as much of a chance a new coach pushes them over the hump. 

[uticaclub]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The AFC East stinks and will continue to stink. We have a Josh. We will be in the playoffs for the next 3-5 years just by showing up.

 

What type of setback are you worried about?

If Maye takes a year 2 leap, Pats will change us for the division this year. Vrable is a solid coach and they have a ton of cap room.

[Fleezoid]

4 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

The Eagles are the perfect example. They and Reid parted ways, and he had more success with them then McDermott has had with the Bills. Since the Eagles parted ways with Reid, they have gone on to win the Super Bowl twice. 

 

The one issue I have with this take is, the Eagles won both their Super Bowls with different QBs and vastly different rosters. Yes, every team has significant roster changes, which leads me to a place I don't like to be.....I have absolutely no opinion on the McDermott thing. Whether he stays or goes, it wouldn't phase me a bit one way or the other. The Bills have gotten so close. Maybe McDermott can finally get over that hump. Maybe not. A new coach may struggle to even challenge for the division. What's the difference. 

 

Last year I went into the season expecting it will end the same, with a different narrative. Exactly. Next season, I expect the same thing. How will it end? Badly of course. But there will be a new talking point. It's just what is. 

 

 

Edited February 14 by Fleezoid

[boater]

7 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I don't disagree with that. I'm not saying fire the guy tomorrow. At some point if he can't win the big one maybe it's time for a change. Allen only has so many years left in his prime. 

 

There is definitely a chance a new coach sets them back. It's also just as much of a chance a new coach pushes them over the hump. 

 

That "as much a chance" is an unfounded leap of faith not supported by history. The Bills and other teams new coaches, more often than not, fail to move the needle.