Slack_in_MA Posted February 13 Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think the goal with a new coach wouldn’t be to go 16-1 or 17-0 but to not lose to KC in the playoffs again. Where do we look for such a no-brainer, slam-dunk coach that's out there laying around unemployed? Maybe we can look at coaches that have beaten them in the playoffs or regular season recently. 1 3 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 33 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah I'm sure a lot of head coaches out there could replicate what he's done. In theory yes we could do worse, that's a valid consideration, but at this point it's Super Bowl or bust. We're already not getting to or winning the Super Bowl. So "worse" is kind of meaningless. We'll see what happens. At this point the most likely outcome is we win our division and then lose in the playoffs to a team that punts no more than twice and whose offense looks better than they have all season. McDermott has a chance to rewrite that story. But if that outcome happens again I hope everyone will be on the same page as Allen enters his 30s. The clock is ticking and "it could be worse!" isn't exactly a convincing argument. 7-7 career in the Playoffs. 7-6 in the Playoffs with Allen. 0-5 on the road in the Playoffs. 5-1 in the Wildcard, 2-3 in the Divisional, 0-2 in the AFCCG, 0-4 now against the Chiefs in the Playoffs. You'd think it has to happen sooner than later, but that's just me. 22 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: Where do we look for such a no-brainer, slam-dunk coach that's out there laying around unemployed? Maybe we can look at coaches that have beaten them in the playoffs or regular season recently. You do have Josh Allen. I would think there would be interested candidates for the position. Reading the comments, over 50% of the fanbase is happy to keep McDermott indefinitely regardless of Playoff results. And the reasoning for this mostly seems to be who else are you going to get. Strange to me that a former Defensive Coordinator is entitled to Allen's entire career without making a Super Bowl but I guess we’re just waiting for one magic year with the 2nd best QB on the planet. Edited February 13 by Straight Hucklebuck 1 Quote
jaybeezee Posted February 13 Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: Where do we look for such a no-brainer, slam-dunk coach that's out there laying around unemployed? Maybe we can look at coaches that have beaten them in the playoffs or regular season recently. How have other teams found their coaches? Even if they don't win a SB, the Taylor's, Shannon's and Siriani's and Mcvays have at least been going to them. Just now, jaybeezee said: How have other teams found their coaches? Even if they don't win a SB, the Taylor's, Shannon's and Siriani's and Mcvays have at least been going to them. I personally believe that if the Texans didn't lose Digss, Collins and Dell for the playoffs, they probably would've beaten KC this year and potentially came into our house and beat us at home as well. 1 2 1 Quote
Slack_in_MA Posted February 13 Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: 7-7 career in the Playoffs. 7-6 in the Playoffs with Allen. 0-5 on the road in the Playoffs. 5-1 in the Wildcard, 2-3 in the Divisional, 0-2 in the AFCCG, 0-4 now against the Chiefs in the Playoffs. You'd think it has to happen sooner than later, but that's just me. You do have Josh Allen. I would think there would be interested candidates for the position. Reading the comments, over 50% of the fanbase is happy to keep McDermott indefinitely regardless of Playoff results. And the reasoning for this mostly seems to be who else are you going to get. Strange to me that a Defensive Coordinator is entitled to Allen's entire career without making a Super Bowl but I guess just waiting for one magic year with the 2nd best QB on the planet. I guess I and many others are in the camp of "We're really close. We're competitive with the Chiefs-- they're not blowing us out (even though it kinda feels like it) and we've proven we can beat them in the regular season. If we make smart moves with players and scheme modifications, I think we can get there". That said, if the record goes the wrong way and there's a sense he's losing the locker room and/or Josh's trust, then all bets are off and he probably has to go. Quote
Homelander Posted February 13 Posted February 13 It depends. If the Bills add critical pieces on defense and another stud receiver but McDermott still falls short next year - then it's time to let him go. 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: I guess I and many others are in the camp of "We're really close. We're competitive with the Chiefs-- they're not blowing us out (even though it kinda feels like it) and we've proven we can beat them in the regular season. If we make smart moves with players and scheme modifications, I think we can get there". That said, if the record goes the wrong way and there's a sense he's losing the locker room and/or Josh's trust, then all bets are off and he probably has to go. I kind of think it’s year by year because it’s tied with Allen’s peak window. Next year is his age 29 season. You see some posts about McDermott getting 2-3 more years, which obviously takes Allen into his 30’s. With the contracts this team has allocated already, the 2025 roster can be very similar to the 2024 roster. Beane and McDermott can effectively run it back if they deem behind closed doors that the Bills are close. Publicly, that’s Beane and McDermott’s stance in the end of year press conferences. Quote
boater Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Fire McDermott and you stand the likelihood of hiring the next: Kay Stephenson Hank Bullough Gregg Williams Mike Mularkey Dick Jauron Perry Fewell Chan Gailey Doug Marrone Rex Ryan All those coaches were going to lead us to the promised land. Hiring the prodigal son football coach is child's play, anyone can do it. What's wrong with Pegula that he obviously doesn't see that. 1 1 Quote
Gregg Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, boater said: Fire McDermott and you stand the likelihood of hiring the next: Kay Stephenson Hank Bullough Gregg Williams Mike Mularkey Dick Jauron Perry Fewell Chan Gailey Doug Marrone Rex Ryan All those coaches were going to lead us to the promised land. Hiring the prodigal son football coach is child's play, anyone can do it. What's wrong with Pegula that he obviously doesn't see that. Or they could see if Bill is interested. We know he has a lot of respect for Allen. I would love to see a Bills team led by the GOAT HC and Allen. Bill has an opt out at UNC so a return to the NFL is realistic. 1 1 Quote
Homelander Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, boater said: Fire McDermott and you stand the likelihood of hiring the next: Kay Stephenson Hank Bullough Gregg Williams Mike Mularkey Dick Jauron Perry Fewell Chan Gailey Doug Marrone Rex Ryan All those coaches were going to lead us to the promised land. Hiring the prodigal son football coach is child's play, anyone can do it. What's wrong with Pegula that he obviously doesn't see that. Or Bill Belichick 1 1 1 Quote
Slack_in_MA Posted February 13 Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I kind of think it’s year by year because it’s tied with Allen’s peak window. Next year is his age 29 season. You see some posts about McDermott getting 2-3 more years, which obviously takes Allen into his 30’s. With the contracts this team has allocated already, the 2025 roster can be very similar to the 2024 roster. Beane and McDermott can effectively run it back if they deem behind closed doors that the Bills are close. Publicly, that’s Beane and McDermott’s stance in the end of year press conferences. I personally think (and hope) they're smarter than laying their cards on the table for 2025 in an end of year press conference. That would be kinda dumb before the draft and free agency, IMO. Quote
FireChans Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Slack_in_MA said: Where do we look for such a no-brainer, slam-dunk coach that's out there laying around unemployed? Maybe we can look at coaches that have beaten them in the playoffs or regular season recently. They literally existed. Vic Fangio was out there, he just made KC play their worst offensive game in 3 years. Ben Johnson was available. He was the hottest offensive coach on the market and turned Jared Goff into an MVP candidate. Bill Belichick was available, he’s beaten KC in the playoffs. Lou Anarumo was available, he’s beaten KC in the playoffs. I’m really confused at this argument. I think McD is a top 10 coach. I think that’s very fair. He’s very good at a lot of things, and I’m personally very thankful for him being largely responsible for changing the culture and turning the entire franchise around. I think he came into Buffalo with a very tall task and him and Beane changed the cultural inertia of being losers and obviously hit on a future HoF QB. I think a lot of HC’s could not have accomplished that. That being said, we don’t really need that anymore. the goal is to win. The culture is changed. If McD got fired and Joe Brady took over, I really really really don’t think the Bills would go back to 6-11 every season and miss the playoffs for 17 straight years. I don’t think anyone does. Do you? I think McD would get a job instantly. But to get over the hump, coordinator/scheme changes work. We just watched it with the Eagles. Two years ago, they got lit up by KC in the SB. They turned into one of the worst defenses a year later and were an early playoff exit. The next season, drafted some good rookies, hired a new DC and were an excellent defense all year and completely destroyed the Chiefs in the SB. We just saw it happen. I think it’s more likely that if the Bills get a new rookie class and a new DC/scheme, they are better vs KC in the postseason vs keeping the McD defense with a new rookie class. He’s had what, 5 attempts at that? Same result, every time. 1 1 Quote
MJS Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, cgg716 said: The defense is built EXACTLY the way McDermott prefers, the scheme is what's lacking In what way? Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, FireChans said: I think the goal with a new coach wouldn’t be to go 16-1 or 17-0 but to not lose to KC in the playoffs again. Well first you have to win in the regular season before worrying about KC in the playoffs. Lets say a new coach loses 2 more games and was the 6th or 7th seed. How many 6 or 7 seeds win the SB or even make it past the first round? 1 1 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: I'll agree the regular season results could turn out worse, but the playoff result really could not. I keep repeating myself on this - we have never made KC punt more than twice in our playoff matchup. This last game they spent the 1st half moving the ball at will on 4 consecutive drives, and the only reason they didn't score a TD on one of those was Mahomes randomly dropping the ball. It is impossible to do any worse than that. The way that Mahomes looks against just about every other playoff defense is starkly different from how he looks against us year after year. Really?? Lets say they lose a couple more regular season games and end up as the 6th or 7th seed. Those seeds rarely make it past the first round. Look at the Steelers records in the last nine times they've made the playoffs, 7 of those 9 seasons, they got knocked out in first game played and a good reason for those loses was because they were a low seed playing on the road. I agree the defense needs improvement and can McD get us there I'll agree I don't know. But I also know there's much more rom for getting worse both in regular season and in playoffs 1 2 Quote
BearNorth Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Next year is his age 29 season. Arguably the greatest "modern" QB Season is Brady in 2007. Brady turned 30 during training camp that year. So both Josh and Mahomes are coming into the Prime QB years. Brady had 50 TD passes, finished the year with a perfect 16-0 record - still the regular season record. He additionally led the league in completion rate (68.9%), pass yards (4,806) and yards per attempt (8.3). 1 Quote
billrooter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, MJS said: In what way? The good and very good QBs slice it up very, very, often and every year in the playoffs. There answered for him IMo I should add. I do like the fact the Assistant coordinator or whatever the title is runs a lot more man defense. Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, boater said: Fire McDermott and you stand the likelihood of hiring the next: Kay Stephenson Hank Bullough Gregg Williams Mike Mularkey Dick Jauron Perry Fewell Chan Gailey Doug Marrone Rex Ryan All those coaches were going to lead us to the promised land. Hiring the prodigal son football coach is child's play, anyone can do it. What's wrong with Pegula that he obviously doesn't see that. McDermott is the only coach in Bills history who succeeded in his 1st NFL head coaching job. Every other 1st time head coach has failed. All other successful Bills HCs were retreads and retreads like Rauch, Jauron, Gailey, & Ryan didn't exactly light it up as Bills HC. All the people calling for McDermott to go & be replaced by a rookie HC or a previously fired retread need a history lesson. 1 Quote
longtimebillsfan Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: 7-7 career in the Playoffs. 7-6 in the Playoffs with Allen. 0-5 on the road in the Playoffs. 5-1 in the Wildcard, 2-3 in the Divisional, 0-2 in the AFCCG, 0-4 now against the Chiefs in the Playoffs. You'd think it has to happen sooner than later, but that's just me. You do have Josh Allen. I would think there would be interested candidates for the position. Reading the comments, over 50% of the fanbase is happy to keep McDermott indefinitely regardless of Playoff results. And the reasoning for this mostly seems to be who else are you going to get. Strange to me that a former Defensive Coordinator is entitled to Allen's entire career without making a Super Bowl but I guess we’re just waiting for one magic year with the 2nd best QB on the planet. You're correct. It's just you. 2 Quote
SoTier Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, FireChans said: I think the goal with a new coach wouldn’t be to go 16-1 or 17-0 but to not lose to KC in the playoffs again. That could easily be accomplished by simply not making the playoffs. 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: Yeah I'm sure a lot of head coaches out there could replicate what he's done. In theory yes we could do worse, that's a valid consideration, but at this point it's Super Bowl or bust. We're already not getting to or winning the Super Bowl. So "worse" is kind of meaningless. Who, exactly, would these head coaches be -- and are realistically available, ie, don't already have HC jobs? Edited February 13 by SoTier Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13 Posted February 13 47 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: You're correct. It's just you. Right, I'm the only Bills fan that has questions about the probability that Sean McDermott wins a Super Bowl as Bills HC. Quote
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