Is it time to move on from McDermott?

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They’ve been doing that for years and keep blowing it lol 

Trying to not be defeastist, but us trading for a Garrett or a Crosby only for the Chiefs to land a top 5 OT in the third round to stymie them feels like fate.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Trying to not be defeastist, but us trading for a Garrett or a Crosby only for the Chiefs to land a top 5 OT in the third round to stymie them feels like fate.

they’ve really gotta upgrade both tackle spots. Taylor is an atrocious run blocker, he’s not terrible in pass protection though. Trey Smith is a free agent and will probably walk also so they’re chasing IOL too

 

gotta pay Bolton and mcduffie has a big extension coming up I’d think.  They’re kind of up against it.  Mcduffie is gonna get a humongous deal so not much they can do in FA for the oline either the next couple years. 

Edited yesterday at 06:13 AM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Trying to not be defeastist, but us trading for a Garrett or a Crosby only for the Chiefs to land a top 5 OT in the third round to stymie them feels like fate.

I can live with that. Eventually the draft gods will not shine down on KC forever. We need either Garrett or Crosby.  And we desperately need to draft DT Dawgs.  And they don't have to be choir boys either. Take a page out of Roseman's book.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, stinky finger said:

 

I didn't say fire him now. I commented on you giving him 3 years. His seat should be very, very warm. SB or bust next year. If not, can him. It'll be time to bring in another regime while Josh is in his prime years. 

It’s not 3 years no matter what. I need to see backwards movement to fire McDermott. Missing the playoffs or losing to a team we’re better than in the playoffs. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

McD is a great coach no idea why after this season a year where the Bills took 74 million in dead cap and got rid of a lot of veteran players and still won 13 games (could have been 14 had they needed it) as well as two playoff games, anyone would be thinking about firing McD. McD is not doing the same thing every year either. For years fans had a valid critique of McD being too conservative. McD this past season (and in the past two seasons) has been one of the more aggressive coaches in the league on 4th down and other decisions. 

 

McD is too loyal. McD fired Fazier and Dorsey as well as other coaches. McD's defenses suck in the playoffs. McD's defenses put together two good defensive games this past playoffs. The last remaining criticism is that he can't beat KC. At some point if the playoff failures mount esp after they got a chance to reset the roster cap wise then you have to move on. But give McBeane a couple of more seasons.

“no idea why” - because fans of this franchise have been waiting 64 years now to win a Championship. 
 

You have a window with Josh Allen. Next year in no.8 for him in Buffalo, he’ll be 29. You think he’ll stay this athletic for another 8-years? 

 

Next year will be Year 9 with McDermott at the helm.

 

What exactly are we holding onto here? A 17-3 win against the Ravens in the 2020 AFC Divisional and the 2024 AFC Divisional? 
 

A part of this job is that you win the Super Bowl. This man hasn’t been able to get to one yet with the best QB this franchise has ever had. 
 

Part of the profession is the acceptance that if you can’t get it done it’s your time to go. 
 

Lindy Ruff said the first time around in Buffalo that Darcy Reiger came to his office and he just said “I know”. 
 

He got the pass in 2019 because Allen was young despite being up 16-0 in that game, got the pass for the 2020 AFCCG because the team wasn’t ready to beat the Chiefs, survived the 13-seconds debacle, got the pass for the team being emotional spent with Damar in 2022, got the injury pass last year against the Chiefs, what is the excuse this year?

 

When have you suffered enough gut wrenching losses to where you say hey we gave it our best scheme, you’ve given your best speeches, it’s just not enough?

 

It’s crazy to me that fans of this organization cling to Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane for that matter. 
 

They both have been given ample time here. 

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

“no idea why” - because fans of this franchise have been waiting 64 years now to win a Championship. 
 

You have a window with Josh Allen. Next year in no.8 for him in Buffalo, he’ll be 29. You think he’ll stay this athletic for another 8-years? 

 

Next year will be Year 9 with McDermott at the helm.

 

What exactly are we holding onto here? A 17-3 win against the Ravens in the 2020 AFC Divisional and the 2024 AFC Divisional? 
 

A part of this job is that you win the Super Bowl. This man hasn’t been able to get to one yet with the best QB this franchise has ever had. 
 

Part of the profession is the acceptance that if you can’t get it done it’s your time to go. 
 

Lindy Ruff said the first time around in Buffalo that Darcy Reiger came to his office and he just said “I know”. 
 

He got the pass in 2019 because Allen was young despite being up 16-0 in that game, got the pass for the 2020 AFCCG because the team wasn’t ready to beat the Chiefs, survived the 13-seconds debacle, got the pass for the team being emotional spent with Damar in 2022, got the injury pass last year against the Chiefs, what is the excuse this year?

 

When have you suffered enough gut wrenching losses to where you say hey we gave it our best scheme, you’ve given your best speeches, it’s just not enough?

 

It’s crazy to me that fans of this organization cling to Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane for that matter. 
 

They both have been given ample time here. 

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[GaryPinC]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I can live with that. Eventually the draft gods will not shine down on KC forever. We need either Garrett or Crosby.  And we desperately need to draft DT Dawgs.  And they don't have to be choir boys either. Take a page out of Roseman's 

To hell with KC, let's focus on why the sun doesn't seem to shine down enough in our 8 years of drafting.

[Pete]

Ingrates have no appreciation for what McDermott has done for Buffalo the past 8 years.  Please show me a Bills coach who has had more success.  Me, and older Bills Mafia have scars from 2-14 seasons, 0 for the 70s against Miami. 17 years missing the playoffs.  Etc.  Is that what you want to return to?  Do you not recognize what McDermott has done for our Buffalo Bills?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Yes it is. It was time two years ago 

Just now, Pete said:

Ingrates have no appreciation for what McDermott has done for Buffalo the past 8 years.  Please show me a Bills coach who has had more success.  Me, and older Bills Mafia have scars from 2-14 seasons, 0 for the 70s against Miami. 17 years missing the playoffs.  Etc.  Is that what you want to return to?  Do you not recognize what McDermott has done for our Buffalo Bills?

Yes, he's built a good, not great team.

 

Hell never win a Superbowl.

[YoloinOhio]

I understand the debate but it’s a waste of time imo. The pegulas won’t fire him unless he has like multiple losing seasons. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I understand the debate but it’s a waste of time imo. The pegulas won’t fire him unless he has like multiple losing seasons. 

As long as they're printing money from the suckers in the stands this is correct 

[JohnNord]

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

I go back and forth.

 

I thought Beane would attack the position in the best WR draft in a decade. He instead punted, to pick up extra picks for a backup 3t DT. Took my personal least favorite WR prospect of the top 10 guys. I’m not a scout though, so fine. 
 

He then brings an absolutely reprehensible WR group to camp. His “investments” in dudes like MVS and Samuel are disasters, compounding the issue. Mack Hollins ended up being the most successful with 345 yards total which is probably the most damning statement you can make.

 

All this ends up with needing to desperately trade for Cooper. And while I agreed with the trade, the downside of trading for a past his prime rental is that his impact was clearly limited by injury, and now we are out a third round pick for like 7 games worth of snaps? 
 

But this is nothing new. Beane has loved short term bandaids at WR. Emmanuel Sanders, bringing back Brown and Beasley when both were out of the league, promoting Isaiah McKenzie to full time slot, etc etc.

 

So while I’d like to say he learned his lesson, would it surprise me if he brought in a Tim Patrick-level guy, re-signed Mack, and drafted 1 WR in the 6th? It honestly would not. He has the memory of a goldfish I fear.

Really, it goes back to the Bengals divisional loss when it became clear that Gabe Davis wasn’t a good enough WR2.  
 

We knew at the end of 2022 that the Bills needed a fast WR that could get separation. 
 

Beane decided not to upgrade, believing that Davis’ insistency was due to unity.   Instead of drafting speed and separation at WR, he chose Dalton Kincaid believing he could be a big Cole Beasley “weapon.”  
 

After trading Diggs, their biggest need was a WR with speed and separation.  They drafted the slowest WR with the least separation.  
 

Now what’s one of the biggest needs on the team?  A WR with speed and separation.  
 

I’m hoping Brady realizes this and persuades Beane to finally draft at least one WR type that we need.  

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:10 PM by JohnNord

[Chaos]

4 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

“no idea why” - because fans of this franchise have been waiting 64 years now to win a Championship. 
 

You have a window with Josh Allen. Next year in no.8 for him in Buffalo, he’ll be 29. You think he’ll stay this athletic for another 8-years? 

 

Next year will be Year 9 with McDermott at the helm.

 

What exactly are we holding onto here? A 17-3 win against the Ravens in the 2020 AFC Divisional and the 2024 AFC Divisional? 
 

A part of this job is that you win the Super Bowl. This man hasn’t been able to get to one yet with the best QB this franchise has ever had. 
 

Part of the profession is the acceptance that if you can’t get it done it’s your time to go. 
 

Lindy Ruff said the first time around in Buffalo that Darcy Reiger came to his office and he just said “I know”. 
 

He got the pass in 2019 because Allen was young despite being up 16-0 in that game, got the pass for the 2020 AFCCG because the team wasn’t ready to beat the Chiefs, survived the 13-seconds debacle, got the pass for the team being emotional spent with Damar in 2022, got the injury pass last year against the Chiefs, what is the excuse this year?

 

When have you suffered enough gut wrenching losses to where you say hey we gave it our best scheme, you’ve given your best speeches, it’s just not enough?

 

It’s crazy to me that fans of this organization cling to Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane for that matter. 
 

They both have been given ample time here. 

You base on this on your assumption is that the goal is to win a championship.  Yet the stated goals from Beane and McDermott are too "compete for the championship".  These two things are similar, but they are not the same. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Really, it goes back to the Bengals divisional loss when it became clear that Gabe Davis wasn’t a good enough WR2.  
 

We knew at the end of 2022 that the Bills needed a fast WR that could get separation. 
 

Beane decided not to upgrade, believing that Davis’ insistency was due to unity.   Instead of drafting speed and separation at WR, he chose Dalton Kincaid believing he could be a big Cole Beasley “weapon.”  
 

After trading Diggs, their biggest need was a WR with speed and separation.  They drafted the slowest WR with the least separation.  
 

Now what’s one of the biggest needs on the team?  A WR with speed and separation.  
 

I’m hoping Brady realizes this and persuades Beane to finally draft at least one WR type that we need.  

 

 

Don't hold your breath. He's terrible at evaluating receivers 

[All_Pro_Bills]

I go back and forth with McDermott but I think personnel is the biggest issue. The Bills had what, Allen and Dawkins selected to the Pro Bowl. At first I thought that was a snub of the team but maybe not. The drafts have been average at best and free agency hasn't been much different. Doing things like signing 3 or 4 middling defensive lineman on the cheap for the rotation isn't going to cut it. Others have said it and I'll say it too. Beane needs to stop trying to show how smart he is and stop fooling himself that he's hitting on guys that have great potential that most times doesn't translate to performance. This draft needs 3 or 4 starters and combined with free agency maybe 2 or 3 more. If not we're back next January pointing out the same problems over again.

[bobobonators]

13 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't hold your breath. He's terrible at evaluating receivers 

Drafting Shakir and signing Mack Hollins were both great moves. Keon was showing flashes before the injury. The guy missed 4? or 5 weeks with that injury, derailing his season. 

Edited yesterday at 12:27 PM by bobobonators

[Gregg]

25 minutes ago, Pete said:

Ingrates have no appreciation for what McDermott has done for Buffalo the past 8 years.  Please show me a Bills coach who has had more success.  Me, and older Bills Mafia have scars from 2-14 seasons, 0 for the 70s against Miami. 17 years missing the playoffs.  Etc.  Is that what you want to return to?  Do you not recognize what McDermott has done for our Buffalo Bills?

 

Marv had more success taking the Bills to 4 Super Bowls. Saban had more success winning back-to-back AFL championships.

[SoonerBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, Pete said:

Ingrates have no appreciation for what McDermott has done for Buffalo the past 8 years.  Please show me a Bills coach who has had more success.  Me, and older Bills Mafia have scars from 2-14 seasons, 0 for the 70s against Miami. 17 years missing the playoffs.  Etc.  Is that what you want to return to?  Do you not recognize what McDermott has done for our Buffalo Bills?

Nick from Philly has 2 superbowl appearances and a win in less time.  

4 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Drafting Shakir and signing Mack Hollins were both great moves. Keon was showing flashes before the injury. The guy missed 4? or 5 weeks with that injury, derailing his season. 

Keon as it stands right now, was thr wrong pick. Add McConkey's stats to our team and its a big difference 

[colin]

21 minutes ago, Pete said:

Ingrates have no appreciation for what McDermott has done for Buffalo the past 8 years.  Please show me a Bills coach who has had more success.  Me, and older Bills Mafia have scars from 2-14 seasons, 0 for the 70s against Miami. 17 years missing the playoffs.  Etc.  Is that what you want to return to?  Do you not recognize what McDermott has done for our Buffalo Bills?

 

nah, this doesn't hit the mark.

 

philly had fat andy, someone many think of as one of the best ever.  he did great (4 nfc chips in a row, 1 sb, close loss) but not good enough.  the canned him and took a swing w chip kelly.  had an exciting team, but not good enough, they canned him and got peaderson.  he got them a chip, w their 2nd overall qb pick hurt, that's an insane result.  the team fell off (they baked the wrong horse at qb) and his butt got canned.  they reloaded at qb, rebuild the team, and got to another sb but lost a super close one.  so, they rebuilt the D, brought in top flight coordinators, and now just walked to another ring.

 

philly fired two top flight coaches, including one who won them a chip, and are a better team for it.  they traded picks to move up, traded picks for players, went out and signed big FAs, and reset their coaches below HC.  they saw what wasn't good enough, and made bold moves.

 

we have mcd for at least one more year, that's obvious, but aside from changing scouts and the GM (we have had really bad top round picks and some crippling contracts, i don't think anyone would argue with that), mcd himself has shown us our coaching just isn't good enough.  he canned an OC midseason, forced frazier out, and now brought in a seasoned guy to breath down the neck of his DC and also upgraded at secondary coach.

 

as it sits right now, the bills have a hole in vertical passing, and the D basically blows.  turnovers and a super charged ball control O (that's a really rare thing) have made them look way better than they actually are.  mcd and beane have this season to right that ship (frankly, i think they are on borrowed time at this point).  multiple top shelf pass rushers are available for trade or rumored to be available for trade, this is their chance.

 

hamlin and knox and douglas and coleman and injured cooper and softmore slump kinkaid and injury magnets milano and bernard and rapp and bishop aren't scaring anyone.  there needs to be an infusion of talent and a cogent strategic change in coaching to maximize whatever roster we end up with in the 2025 season, or else the keys get handed over to someone else.  i honestly think mcd knows it and will act accordingly.

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

“no idea why” - because fans of this franchise have been waiting 64 years now to win a Championship. 
 

You have a window with Josh Allen. Next year in no.8 for him in Buffalo, he’ll be 29. You think he’ll stay this athletic for another 8-years? 

 

Next year will be Year 9 with McDermott at the helm.

 

What exactly are we holding onto here? A 17-3 win against the Ravens in the 2020 AFC Divisional and the 2024 AFC Divisional? 
 

A part of this job is that you win the Super Bowl. This man hasn’t been able to get to one yet with the best QB this franchise has ever had. 
 

Part of the profession is the acceptance that if you can’t get it done it’s your time to go. 
 

Lindy Ruff said the first time around in Buffalo that Darcy Reiger came to his office and he just said “I know”. 
 

He got the pass in 2019 because Allen was young despite being up 16-0 in that game, got the pass for the 2020 AFCCG because the team wasn’t ready to beat the Chiefs, survived the 13-seconds debacle, got the pass for the team being emotional spent with Damar in 2022, got the injury pass last year against the Chiefs, what is the excuse this year?

 

When have you suffered enough gut wrenching losses to where you say hey we gave it our best scheme, you’ve given your best speeches, it’s just not enough?

 

It’s crazy to me that fans of this organization cling to Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane for that matter. 
 

They both have been given ample time here. 

We won in '64 and '65.  Quit with the false narrative.