Is it time to move on from McDermott?

[PromoTheRobot]

49 minutes ago, BananaB said:

So handing them a quick 7 doesn’t have an impact on the game? It’s a part of the game that needs improvement and it hasn’t. Sure adjustments are great, but holding a team to one less TD a game would be great to. Maybe that’s just me. 
 

How is last year different from this year? Team had an opportunity to make a play Bass misses a kick, Kincaid drops a pass. D steps on the field with 3 timeouts and can’t get us the ball back. How is that not the ***** same? Lmfao

 

No other team has cracked the Chiefs, but no other team has had as many opportunities as McD to do it. Outside of the Chiefs division is their another team that is more familiar with them then Buffalo? If you can’t do it now, how long is it gonna take? 
 

I think Allen is more important to this team than McD. I don’t think McD could hit 10 to 13 wins on a regular basis without him. I do think Allen hitting 10 to 13 wins without McD is an easy target. Let face it, all you need is 10 to make the playoffs, and if you get better coaching while your there isn’t it more better for the team? 

 

When do you plan to submit your resume to Terry Pegula for the GMs job?

[colin]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Lots of things to respond to. 

 

As for teams getting the jump on us, you know the fact that, in most cases, the Bills adjust. Does that not matter more? 

 

If you think Allen gets us 12-13 wins, then you're saying coaches don't matter. 

 

Lastly, you make a big leap saying things end the same way. They might be losses but they aren't for the same reasons. Thinking changing one head coach is the answer is the height of arrogance. Maybe you missed the part that no other NFL team has solved the Chiefs riddle the past three years. You think you're going to find the one guy smarter than Ried?

 

The bills make basic fundamental errors and get confused playing KC.  Not having cook get more touches isn't solving a riddle, it's not falling back into the same mistakes that we've made four times vs kc.  

 

The reason we want to change MCD And co is because it's gone stale, and at its best it wasn't good enough 

 

Philly fired reid and won a chip, Tampa fired Dungy and won a chip.  Those are two guys who won chips themselves who their teams fired and then got themselves a Lombardi.

 

Sometimes you just have to switch it up

[BILLS55]

Coaching is the number 1 issue this team faces. Josh is every bit as good as Mahomes. If you take Josh and put him with Andy Reid, and put Mahomes on the the Bills, Josh is the one going to his 3rd straight super bowl.  Andy Reid is playing chess and McDermott is playing f****** Candy Land with his 3 year old niece. We are continually get out coached in these yearly mega games.  At some point enough is enough. Lets give someone else a try. I know Steve Spagnuolo was not great as a head coach back when he was with the RAMS but he didn't have a QB. I would poach him from K.C. and give him a shot. 

[DCOrange]

6 minutes ago, BILLS55 said:

Coaching is the number 1 issue this team faces. Josh is every bit as good as Mahomes. If you take Josh and put him with Andy Reid, and put Mahomes on the the Bills, Josh is the one going to his 3rd straight super bowl.  Andy Reid is playing chess and McDermott is playing f****** Candy Land with his 3 year old niece. We are continually get out coached in these yearly mega games.  At some point enough is enough. Lets give someone else a try. I know Steve Spagnuolo was not great as a head coach back when he was with the RAMS but he didn't have a QB. I would poach him from K.C. and give him a shot. 

Saying he wasn't great is underselling it a bit. The only coach in NFL history with a worse winning percentage is Hue Jackson.

[Gregg]

11 minutes ago, BILLS55 said:

Coaching is the number 1 issue this team faces. Josh is every bit as good as Mahomes. If you take Josh and put him with Andy Reid, and put Mahomes on the the Bills, Josh is the one going to his 3rd straight super bowl.  Andy Reid is playing chess and McDermott is playing f****** Candy Land with his 3 year old niece. We are continually get out coached in these yearly mega games.  At some point enough is enough. Lets give someone else a try. I know Steve Spagnuolo was not great as a head coach back when he was with the RAMS but he didn't have a QB. I would poach him from K.C. and give him a shot. 

 

McDermott isn't going anywhere but if they did make a coaching change then bring Bill here. Bill + Josh = championship. He would actually build a defense that could stop teams in the playoffs as his history proves which is something we don't really have right now.

[TheFunPolice]

"they said the same things about Andy Reid..." 

 

Reid is the GOAT, we just haven't come around to it yet. He was and is an offensive mastermind who always got 100% out of his QBs, but never had the real superstar talent. McNabb was a nice player, but nothing like Allen or Mahomes. Not even close. 

 

Belichick got his QB very early on in his HC career. Reid got his much later on. That's the ONLY reason Belichick is seen as the GOAT (for now). Reid will likely pass Belichick for most post season HC wins next year. #1 all-time in HC wins is definitely on the table. Reid is going to turn 67 in March. If eh coaches another 5 seasons he would be 71 at the end of the 5th season, younger than Belichick and Carroll are today. 

 

So barring health issues, Reid will retire the winningest HC of all time, with possibly 4 Super Bowl titles (or more), the winningest HC of all time in the playoffs, and the winning HC of all time for 2 different franchises. 

 

He's in a totally different class than McDermott, which is no shade on McDermott. Reid is the GOAT, IMO. 

 

BTW, Reid is elite at his specialty. Reid's DC is a better DC than our defensive minded HC. 

 

All that said, if the refs correctly mark a 1st down we likely win that game. So Yes, McDermott is definitely good enough to get to and win a Super Bowl. But it's mostly because he is a good coach with an all-time great QB. 

 

I would bet at least 1/2 of current NFL head coaches could get to the Divisional Round and occasional AFC Title Game with Josh Allen. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:56 PM by TheFunPolice

[nuklz2594]

i put my head down when we got rex ryan. mcdermott is not perfect. look at the roster for @#$%S sake. mcdermott is going to battle with the army he has, not army he wants. our offense is josh and cookie. brady stopped running cookie. our wrs bottom tier. tes...knox is a blocker and well paid. kincaid was injured? still needs to make catch. our defense is smallest and ssslllooowwestt in the nfl. beannie needs to up his game. 

really love the culture now. at least we are competetive in EVERY game. thats saying something.

[TheFunPolice]

McDermott needs to take the CEO role and be the new Pete Carroll. Hire a top DC to install a more aggressive system on defense and totally delegate that.

 

Otherwise, we are going to see small, slow, character guys on defense who play a flawed scheme. 

 

that would be fine BTW. Hire a Saleh or someone like that and let that guy run the D. McDermott could be the CEO head coach and lead and set the culture. 

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, BananaB said:

If he’s not over ruling Brady, it was pretty obvious they weren’t winning the battle in those situations, isn’t that a bad decision as well.  He’s the HC, he either wanted it or he let it continue. All comes down to his decisions. 

Sorry, I'm not into micromanaging every single potential issue and decision, especially as Brady deserves some amount of autonomy and we don't know exactly how that works between him and McD.  I certainly support that we would try the push that had worked so well in the season and is very difficult to stop.  My issue is to have an alternate plan in place for a game like this, as we ran it exactly the same way all year.  

[jaybeezee]

Just now, nuklz2594 said:

i put my head down when we got rex ryan. mcdermott is not perfect. look at the roster for @#$%S sake. mcdermott is going to battle with the army he has, not army he wants. our offense is josh and cookie. brady stopped running cookie. our wrs bottom tier. tes...knox is a blocker and well paid. kincaid was injured? still needs to make catch. our defense is smallest and ssslllooowwestt in the nfl. beannie needs to up his game. 

really love the culture now. at least we are competetive in EVERY game. thats saying something.

People act like if you fire Mcdermott, we will go down in flames. He is not the only coach out there and I can think of 2 that are available right now that I would entertain for a replacement. Gruden, Belichek, I would add Pederson as long as he brings in Reich as his OC. At some point, we cant keephoping that McD finally learns, or is willing to change up his scheme completely. 

 

I am critical of our D-Line as a whole, but im starting to think that it is our scheme/development under McD. Epenesa, Groot, Basham, Oliver to some extent. All of these guys were studs in College and when they get here, the are average at best. We made AJ drop like 30-40 pounds which took away what his strength, now hes quicker but weak and is pretty much invisible. We draft Boogie who was a DT in College and make him drop weight and try and turn him into a DE. Why not just draft a DE?? 

[Aussie Joe]

5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

Otherwise, we are going to see small, slow, character guys on defense who play a flawed scheme. 

 

 

How can he be a smart coach not get that his scheme and the players he gets to run it, does not work against elite teams in the playoffs ? Mahomes has  shredded him 4 out of 4  … Burrow only got the chance to do it once  ( so far) ..How many more years he gotta go through it before he rethinks it ?

 

 

[LarryMadman]

Whats funny is a bunch of the same McDermott apologists were saying after last years loss give him one more year and if he cant win it all then he should be replaced are again saying give him until next year. No, he isnt going to magically outcoach Andy Reid next year, Reid must be laughing everytime he steals Seans lunch money. Its gotten to be pure comedy hour thinking Sean will beat Reid in the playoffs. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

All of you that want to get rid of him I ask directly, do you believe Josh got the first down? Do you believe that Worthy truly caught the ball? If you don't think the officials were a big part of the loss I can't argue with you because you don't know football at all. When you have two heavyweights battling those calls decide the game, and both were incorrect and smashed the Chiefs. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, BananaB said:

So handing them a quick 7 doesn’t have an impact on the game? It’s a part of the game that needs improvement and it hasn’t. Sure adjustments are great, but holding a team to one less TD a game would be great to. Maybe that’s just me. 
 

How is last year different from this year? Team had an opportunity to make a play Bass misses a kick, Kincaid drops a pass. D steps on the field with 3 timeouts and can’t get us the ball back. How is that not the ***** same? Lmfao

 

No other team has cracked the Chiefs, but no other team has had as many opportunities as McD to do it. Outside of the Chiefs division is their another team that is more familiar with them then Buffalo? If you can’t do it now, how long is it gonna take? 
 

I think Allen is more important to this team than McD. I don’t think McD could hit 10 to 13 wins on a regular basis without him. I do think Allen hitting 10 to 13 wins without McD is an easy target. Let face it, all you need is 10 to make the playoffs, and if you get better coaching while your there isn’t it more better for the team? 

 

All 3 games in the playoffs the other team scored on their first drive.

[nuklz2594]

keep wondering this scenario.  bills draft ladd to pair with shakir. still have mack and samuels. yes ladd and shakir are not burners. they get separation and catch the stinking ball. coleman...i got nuthin

[Nihilarian]

So many Bills fans state that Josh Allen is the needed key in everything to winning.

 

Yet, in 2023 after twelve games the Buffalo Bills were 6-6 and headed to missing the playoffs while falling behind Miami who was 8-3 at the time. It looked like Miami was going to win the division. Look, I love Josh Allen as much as anyone but he needs a team around him.

 

The man so many here wanted to replace... then fired his OC who was feeding Diggs the ball on offense but losing games to the Jets, Jags, Patriots, Bengals, Broncos, and Eagles. With that move, Buffalo went on a 6 game tear to win the division only losing to the KC Chiefs due to an injury-riddled defense.

 

"Only two defensive starters started all 17 games for the Bills -- nickel corner Taron Johnson and middle linebacker Terrel Bernard. But Johnson and Bernard, two of the team's most consistent players, are questionable for Sunday because of injury. The team lost two key starters for the season in Weeks 4 and 5 -- cornerback Tre'Davious White and 2022 first-team All-Pro outside linebacker Matt Milano"

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39337649/buffalo-bills-defensive-injuries-2023-nfl-playoffs-vs-chiefs-2024-outlook

 

The problem was that the Buffalo Bills needed to play perfectly against the Chiefs and battle the referees, too.

[cgg716]

Bills are 1-3 the last 2 years when scoring under 20, in games started by Allen. KC had 4 wins just this year scoring under 20. Defense continues to fail. Change the coach

[Sojourner]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

McDermott needs to take the CEO role and be the new Pete Carroll. Hire a top DC to install a more aggressive system on defense and totally delegate that.

 

Otherwise, we are going to see small, slow, character guys on defense who play a flawed scheme. 

 

that would be fine BTW. Hire a Saleh or someone like that and let that guy run the D. McDermott could be the CEO head coach and lead and set the culture. 

Vic Fangio was the call. Going back through the forum before the season, a lot of people were saying that was the hire that needed to be made when Eric Washington left and McD was going to pass play calling responsibilities to the DC.

Sometimes experience is better than in house loyalty or giving your own guys a chance. We’re not in the ascension stage anymore. We are firmly in title contention. Staff and player choices need to be the right ones. 
 

Sadly, the majority of both decisions are left with questions. 

[transient]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

McDermott needs to take the CEO role and be the new Pete Carroll. Hire a top DC to install a more aggressive system on defense and totally delegate that.

 

Otherwise, we are going to see small, slow, character guys on defense who play a flawed scheme. 

 

that would be fine BTW. Hire a Saleh or someone like that and let that guy run the D. McDermott could be the CEO head coach and lead and set the culture. 

This is where I’m at. Whether or not it’s the right thing, he’s not going anywhere. If he truly has a “growth mindset” and if he and Beane are truly introspective about what’s holding this team back then he should find the most innovative DC candidate he can and hire him and then let him run with it, even if it means altering his defensive philosophy to some degree. Anything less at this point in my opinion is just stubborn hubris and will likely ultimately lead to undoing. 

[Mikie2times]

9 hours ago, stuvian said:

McDermott is a world class coach who is capable of winning it all. That said, I think this roster has been coached up as far as coaching can take it. We don't have any impact players on defense.

 

No he is not and I'm not even trying to pick on the guy at this point. Our draft picks are cookie cutter selections for his system. You can't blame the talent and not draw a line back to him. He is an elite CEO who got to that place as an individual contributor. As one of his larger antagonists I firmly believe if he would truly let go of his individual contributor ideology he could be one of the greats. That is often the hardest thing for any coach to do and the hardest thing for any person to do in the role they have. To step back and say, maybe I don't know best. Maybe I have to trust others. Very few coaches ever get to the point of an agnostic system. If he could impart his wisdom with the up and coming ideas an outside entity could bring then he could become one of the greats. If he clings to what he knows and never hires outside the organization he won't grow and neither will we.  

Edited Tuesday at 11:46 PM by Mikie2times