Is it time to move on from McDermott?

[Coach Tuesday]

We have an elite QB who unfortunately is the second-best QB in his conference, during his era.

 

We have a good but not elite coaching staff.

 

Facts.

[CircleTheWagons99]

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[LarryMadman]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

We have an elite QB who unfortunately is the second-best QB in his conference, during his era.

 

We have a good but not elite coaching staff.

 

Facts.

Nah, I don't think he is any lesser of a QB than Mahomes, Allen just has this huge anchor he is also trying to drag across the finish line whereas Mahomes doesnt. 

 

Good coaching matters and Mahomes has way better coaches therefor his job is made easier.  

[stuvian]

McDermott is a world class coach who is capable of winning it all. That said, I think this roster has been coached up as far as coaching can take it. We don't have any impact players on defense.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, BananaB said:

So because the talking heads were wrong he gets another pass for losing to the Chiefs again…. That’s basically what you are saying. 
 

Do you wanna win a Championship or not? McD coaching at critical times is still hurting this team. We seen it in the Houston and Rams game. We got lucky with a drop against the Ravens, and Sunday night was a total ***** show with all the qb sneaks when you were getting pushed around in the trenches. And you can’t convince that McD wasn’t over ruling Brady on those calls. 

 

4 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Yes!  After 7 seasons of Josh Allen let's keep on the same exact path doing the same exact things and keep telling our players and fans to trust it.

 

We'll keep glorifying our regular season successes instead of addressing the hard questions to push for postseason success.

 

So you think that replacing McDermott, and probably Beane too, will only result in upward improvement? You think 12-13 win seasons are the Bills floor? Based on what exactly? 

 

Oh, and nice job @BananaB creating things in your head to hate McDermott for.

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

So you think that replacing McDermott, and probably Beane too, will only result in upward improvement? You think 12-13 win seasons are the Bills floor? Based on what exactly? 

 

Oh, and nice job @BananaB creating things in your head to hate McDermott for.

I don’t think this team is gonna miss playoffs as long as Josh Allen is our QB. Does it matter if you win 12 or 13 win seasons if they all end the same way? I want a coach who can get us to the Super Bowl and McD hasn’t done that. 
 

I think he’s a good coach. I think his D system is soft. His decision making in tight situations has been pretty bad and it’s hurt the team a lot in big games. 
 

Can you tell me this, why do we give so many teams a free ride to 7 points on opening drives? Happened 3 times this playoffs. What do we struggle to stop teams in tight games. Sure they held KC to a Fg, they let Lamar walk down the field with ease. Luckily for us Andrews dropped an easy catch. In the last 2 playoff games against the Cheifs, the missed FG and the dropped pass, both times his D took the field with 3 timeouts and opportunity to get the ball back but they couldn’t get a stop.  We’ve seen all this ***** in regular season when we are in tight games, luckily we have Josh Allen and he puts a shitload of points on the field. 
 

Like everyone says, as long as the Bills have Josh Allen they have a shot. We might not have the 13 win season, but maybe with a different coach this team is better in the playoffs and in close games with someone else taking over HC

Edited Tuesday at 04:08 PM by BananaB

[GaryPinC]

26 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Don't his coordinators call the plays,  come up with the game plan?

I know the buck stops with him,  but Brady had a crap game. Wasn't prepared for the blitz, wouldn't change the qb sneaks, took Cook out in critical situations...

They do, and certainly I'm not privy to the inner workings of a coaching staff.  I have to believe McDermott is a guiding hand with the game plans where he gives parameters and reviews them.  I also expect at critical points in games he will weigh in if he feels strongly about a situation.

 

I believe this because Brady and Babich are most likely not going to be here long term and I expect our head coach to pass along the hard earned playoff wisdom and set the tone and address any details he feels important in the game plan.  That makes the most sense and as you mention, he is ultimately responsible.

[Chandler#81]

Yes, OP. While we’re at it, let’s trade Josh, Bernard, Schnow & Milano!

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[colin]

marv levy is the best coach the bills have ever had by most accounts.

 

he's the only coach to get his team to 4 consecutive super bowls.  he is in the hall of fame, and he was loved by the fans and the players alike.

 

marv levy should have been fired after the first super bowl loss.  the arguments made to keep him were the same as the arguments made now to keep mcd.  it could be so much worse, we might fall apart, oh no, we can't change anything because we should be paralyzed by fear!

 

jim johnson, multiple champion in the NCAA and NFL, was giving a presentation that i saw on tv.  he was talking about their scouting of the bills for their super bowl games.  he said buffalo was a reckless sloppy team.  a very talented team, but they didn't take care of the football, they ran too many of the same plays, they could be baited into passing the ball when they should be running it.  their defense can be attacked, and they don't have adjustments to change that up.

 

marv levy was a better coach than mcd is.  hanging on to marv kept the bills winning the afc with that insane roster with multiple hall of famers.  a team who's back up qb engineered the greatest comeback in nfl history (they were deep as well as talented).  but not changing out marv freaking levy cost the bills an actual shot at a championship.  

 

mcd has hit his ceiling over and over again.  he can get, with huge investment, a number 1 defense, division championships (in a very very weak afc east) and a home playoff win, some times 2 home playoff wins.

 

he's never had a road playoff win, his defense has always produced historically bad outcomes vs good qbs in his losses, and while high scoring, his offenses always make mental errors in key moments.

 

his special teams are awful.  gave up a fake punt to denver, allowed a huge runback vs kc, insane fake punt attempt w a terrible athlete vs kc at home.

 

we can win this trash division and a home playoff game vs a low seeded team with any real coach, that's about the floor.  but we cannot win a chip with these terrible coaches.  they need to change.

[BananaB]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

They do, and certainly I'm not privy to the inner workings of a coaching staff.  I have to believe McDermott is a guiding hand with the game plans where he gives parameters and reviews them.  I also expect at critical points in games he will weigh in if he feels strongly about a situation.

 

I believe this because Brady and Babich are most likely not going to be here long term and I expect our head coach to pass along the hard earned playoff wisdom and set the tone and address any details he feels important in the game plan.  That makes the most sense and as you mention, he is ultimately responsible.

I t believe McD is making that call in key situations. In his interviews saying he wanted the best play and it worked all season, it’s definitely him. Even after the Rams game it was pretty clear it was his choice to run instead of pass. 
 

 

[GaryPinC]

30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

So you think that replacing McDermott, and probably Beane too, will only result in upward improvement? You think 12-13 win seasons are the Bills floor? Based on what exactly? 

 

Oh, and nice job @BananaB creating things in your head to hate McDermott for.

No, why would anyone be that naive?  Do you  believe replacing him or them will only result in a downgrading of our capabilities?

 

My point is that Josh is mid career and what we have been doing has only gotten us to a certain level.  I believe the current FO needs to tweak their approach a bit to help overcome this wall.  But, if they won't, we are approaching a point where different leadership may be required to give a different result.

 

You don't have to even like basketball to look at what's happening to the Cleveland Cavaliers.  Their first year, experienced coach was targeted and brought in to get them to the next level with the same talent and even now it's obvious how much more formidable they are compared to the last several years.  Their fired coach got hired right away to lead the floundering Detroit Pistons and he's having success also.  For whatever reason though, he hit his ceiling with the Cavs and a tough but correct decision was made. 

[tigerthelion]

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

It's not the coaches who need to be changed. The Bills DC's first season calling defensive plays was his first full season, and the Buffalo OC's was his first full season calling plays, too.

 

To me, it's amazing how far this team went this season with a bunch of JAGS at WR and no clear #1 like Justin Jefferson, or Ja'Marr Chase. plus, there are a bunch of maybes on defense. I think this coaching staff is only the second best to the Chiefs who have THREE former head coaches running that team. The 2024 Buffalo Bills beat the two best teams in the NFL this year in Detroit AT Detroit and KC in Buffalo. THe Chiefs ONLY loss all year!

 

As I mentioned the Buffalo GM's hands were tied with Diggs being a 30-million dollar cap hit to get rid of that malcontent ball hog...who went invisible each year in the playoffs. Von Miller was a great pickup before his injury and a liability after. What this team needs are better players. GM Brandon Beane did a masterful job with what he had to work with. 

 

Some Bills fans need to stop whining about changes that are never gonna happen and focus on what will happen with the draft and free agency.😁

You have any idea who signed Diggs to that ridiculous extension?  I may have to Google it, but do you know off hand who signed Von Miller to that huge contract, also?  Gee, what a shock that an old Von Miller gets hurt.  Old players are never risky to sign to huge contracts.   Any idea who wasted money on that washed up O-lineman (Collins) in the offseason who didn't even make it to the roster?  Or MVS, who contributed nothing to the team?  Another big signing was Edwards at safety. All money well spent.  The overpays to Dawson Knox and Epenesa?  More money well spent.  The "I'm glad he ran a slow 40" mindset to gloat getting their "guy" in Coleman, who was a net negative down the stretch.    Beane did anything but a masterful job.  He got the team into this cap mess in the first place with the bloated contracts.   His next big extension will likely be overpaying another good, but not great player in Rousseau.   

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

We have an elite QB who unfortunately is the second-best QB in his conference, during his era.

 

We have a good but not elite coaching staff.

 

Facts.

Having the second best QB in the conference is a huge win for any franchise.   Plenty of teams have won championships with far less at QB.  Can the Bills figure it out and upgrade the talent and coaching?  We will see. 

[GaryPinC]

20 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I t believe McD is making that call in key situations. In his interviews saying he wanted the best play and it worked all season, it’s definitely him. Even after the Rams game it was pretty clear it was his choice to run instead of pass. 
 

 

Either that or he's not overruling Brady.  Don't want to short-change Brady!  But somebody should have been prepared with a different alternative given this unwavering play call of ours.  Just made it easier for Reid/Spagnola.  Saw somewhere that after our regular season victory over them Spagnola resolved that they had to stop Allen or they wouldn't make it to the Superbowl and began planning.  Wonder if any of our coaches think like/do that?

[GaryPinC]

29 minutes ago, colin said:

marv levy is the best coach the bills have ever had by most accounts.

 

he's the only coach to get his team to 4 consecutive super bowls.  he is in the hall of fame, and he was loved by the fans and the players alike.

 

marv levy should have been fired after the first super bowl loss.  the arguments made to keep him were the same as the arguments made now to keep mcd.  it could be so much worse, we might fall apart, oh no, we can't change anything because we should be paralyzed by fear!

 

jim johnson, multiple champion in the NCAA and NFL, was giving a presentation that i saw on tv.  he was talking about their scouting of the bills for their super bowl games.  he said buffalo was a reckless sloppy team.  a very talented team, but they didn't take care of the football, they ran too many of the same plays, they could be baited into passing the ball when they should be running it.  their defense can be attacked, and they don't have adjustments to change that up.

 

marv levy was a better coach than mcd is.  hanging on to marv kept the bills winning the afc with that insane roster with multiple hall of famers.  a team who's back up qb engineered the greatest comeback in nfl history (they were deep as well as talented).  but not changing out marv freaking levy cost the bills an actual shot at a championship.  

 

mcd has hit his ceiling over and over again.  he can get, with huge investment, a number 1 defense, division championships (in a very very weak afc east) and a home playoff win, some times 2 home playoff wins.

 

he's never had a road playoff win, his defense has always produced historically bad outcomes vs good qbs in his losses, and while high scoring, his offenses always make mental errors in key moments.

 

his special teams are awful.  gave up a fake punt to denver, allowed a huge runback vs kc, insane fake punt attempt w a terrible athlete vs kc at home.

 

we can win this trash division and a home playoff game vs a low seeded team with any real coach, that's about the floor.  but we cannot win a chip with these terrible coaches.  they need to change.

Appreciate the tidbit from Johnson, but the team felt too strongly about Levy so firing him wasn't the first step.  Levy or someone should have fired Walt Corey.  He bragged how he didn't have to coach that defense too much because they were so talented and their sloppiness showed in all the superbowls, especially the first three.  Right after Washington, he should have been sent packing with Dickerson, IMO.

[BananaB]

32 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Either that or he's not overruling Brady.  Don't want to short-change Brady!  But somebody should have been prepared with a different alternative given this unwavering play call of ours.  Just made it easier for Reid/Spagnola.  Saw somewhere that after our regular season victory over them Spagnola resolved that they had to stop Allen or they wouldn't make it to the Superbowl and began planning.  Wonder if any of our coaches think like/do that?

If he’s not over ruling Brady, it was pretty obvious they weren’t winning the battle in those situations, isn’t that a bad decision as well.  He’s the HC, he either wanted it or he let it continue. All comes down to his decisions. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:17 PM by BananaB

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, colin said:

marv levy is the best coach the bills have ever had by most accounts.

 

he's the only coach to get his team to 4 consecutive super bowls.  he is in the hall of fame, and he was loved by the fans and the players alike.

 

marv levy should have been fired after the first super bowl loss.  the arguments made to keep him were the same as the arguments made now to keep mcd.  it could be so much worse, we might fall apart, oh no, we can't change anything because we should be paralyzed by fear!

 

jim johnson, multiple champion in the NCAA and NFL, was giving a presentation that i saw on tv.  he was talking about their scouting of the bills for their super bowl games.  he said buffalo was a reckless sloppy team.  a very talented team, but they didn't take care of the football, they ran too many of the same plays, they could be baited into passing the ball when they should be running it.  their defense can be attacked, and they don't have adjustments to change that up.

 

marv levy was a better coach than mcd is.  hanging on to marv kept the bills winning the afc with that insane roster with multiple hall of famers.  a team who's back up qb engineered the greatest comeback in nfl history (they were deep as well as talented).  but not changing out marv freaking levy cost the bills an actual shot at a championship.  

 

mcd has hit his ceiling over and over again.  he can get, with huge investment, a number 1 defense, division championships (in a very very weak afc east) and a home playoff win, some times 2 home playoff wins.

 

he's never had a road playoff win, his defense has always produced historically bad outcomes vs good qbs in his losses, and while high scoring, his offenses always make mental errors in key moments.

 

his special teams are awful.  gave up a fake punt to denver, allowed a huge runback vs kc, insane fake punt attempt w a terrible athlete vs kc at home.

 

we can win this trash division and a home playoff game vs a low seeded team with any real coach, that's about the floor.  but we cannot win a chip with these terrible coaches.  they need to change.

Levy didn't have a Patriots or Chiefs type of team the Bills had to get past. The Bills were the class of the AFC in those days 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, BananaB said:

I don’t think this team is gonna miss playoffs as long as Josh Allen is our QB. Does it matter if you win 12 or 13 win seasons if they all end the same way? I want a coach who can get us to the Super Bowl and McD hasn’t done that. 
 

I think he’s a good coach. I think his D system is soft. His decision making in tight situations has been pretty bad and it’s hurt the team a lot in big games. 
 

Can you tell me this, why do we give so many teams a free ride to 7 points on opening drives? Happened 3 times this playoffs. What do we struggle to stop teams in tight games. Sure they held KC to a Fg, they let Lamar walk down the field with ease. Luckily for us Andrews dropped an easy catch. In the last 2 playoff games against the Cheifs, the missed FG and the dropped pass, both times his D took the field with 3 timeouts and opportunity to get the ball back but they couldn’t get a stop.  We’ve seen all this ***** in regular season when we are in tight games, luckily we have Josh Allen and he puts a shitload of points on the field. 
 

Like everyone says, as long as the Bills have Josh Allen they have a shot. We might not have the 13 win season, but maybe with a different coach this team is better in the playoffs and in close games with someone else taking over HC

 

Lots of things to respond to. 

 

As for teams getting the jump on us, you know the fact that, in most cases, the Bills adjust. Does that not matter more? 

 

If you think Allen gets us 12-13 wins, then you're saying coaches don't matter. 

 

Lastly, you make a big leap saying things end the same way. They might be losses but they aren't for the same reasons. Thinking changing one head coach is the answer is the height of arrogance. Maybe you missed the part that no other NFL team has solved the Chiefs riddle the past three years. You think you're going to find the one guy smarter than Ried?

Edited Tuesday at 05:08 PM by PromoTheRobot

[Big Turk]

If the bar is being set at "he has to go because he can't beat Reid in the playoffs", well I mean, nobody beats Reid in the playoffs. So literally every coach in the NFL should get fired then. He has beaten Mahomes/Reid more than any other coach. We need to just do it in the postseason.  Will we, who knows? Firing someone who actually does beat him when nobody else in the league does seems a little short sighted. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:13 PM by Big Turk

[Mat68]

This didn't feel like a team held back by coaching.  Mcdermott is the best unless you are going after Belichick with his age and demeanor would be a culture shift.  Imo Pegula is pleased with the team and the trajectory.  Would take Allen demanding a change for it to happen. 

[BananaB]

20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Lots of things to respond to. 

 

As for teams getting the jump on us, you know the fact that, in most cases, the Bills adjust. Does that not matter more? 

 

If you think Allen gets us 12-13 wins, then you're saying coaches don't matter. 

 

Lastly, you make a big leap saying things end the same way. They might be losses but they aren't for the same reasons. Thinking changing one head coach is the answer is the height of arrogance. Maybe you missed the party that no other NFL team has solved the Chiefs rifle the past the years. You think you're going to pick the one guy smarter than Ried?

So handing them a quick 7 doesn’t have an impact on the game? It’s a part of the game that needs improvement and it hasn’t. Sure adjustments are great, but holding a team to one less TD a game would be great to. Maybe that’s just me. 
 

How is last year different from this year? Team had an opportunity to make a play Bass misses a kick, Kincaid drops a pass. D steps on the field with 3 timeouts and can’t get us the ball back. How is that not the ***** same? Lmfao

 

No other team has cracked the Chiefs, but no other team has had as many opportunities as McD to do it. Outside of the Chiefs division is their another team that is more familiar with them then Buffalo? If you can’t do it now, how long is it gonna take? 
 

I think Allen is more important to this team than McD. I don’t think McD could hit 10 to 13 wins on a regular basis without him. I do think Allen hitting 10 to 13 wins without McD is an easy target. Let face it, all you need is 10 to make the playoffs, and if you get better coaching while your there isn’t it more better for the team? 

Edited Tuesday at 05:27 PM by BananaB